Interview
#39 - Spencer Greenberg on the scientific approach to solving difficult everyday questions
Sparkwave Portfolio & Personal Updates
- Spencer Greenberg manages four active portfolio companies at Sparkwave, having recruited CEOs for all and spun them out as separate entities.
- Uplift: An automated depression care program run by Eddie Lou; currently in closed beta with plans for imminent public release.
- Mind Ease: A software product designed to alleviate significant anxiety, managed by Peter Breitbart.
- Clear Thinking: A tool for improving decision-making and reducing bias, led by Aurora Quinn Elmore.
- Positively: A recruitment platform for social science research, run by Luke Freeman.
- Currently utilizes Amazon Mechanical Turk as its first backend to layer features for researchers.
- Plans to add new backends to secure representative national samples or specific demographic cohorts beyond Turk.
- Clear Thinking Research & Products:
- Conducted long-term studies on "happiness habits" using environmental triggers; Greenberg reported a 5% personal happiness increase by associating a daily trigger (checking social media) with gratitude.
- Testing a methodology where pre-existing daily triggers are used to induce specific positive thoughts (e.g., gratitude) to create lasting habits.
- The goal is to release this as a public tool if study results validate the efficacy of the trigger-based happiness technique.
Intrinsic vs. Instrumental Values Study
- Methodology: Conducted a rigorous survey of Effective Altruists (EAs), partial EAs, and non-EAs across demographics (age, gender, politics) to identify intrinsic values.
- Excluded participants who failed a quiz on defining "intrinsic value" (valuing something for its own sake, not its effects).
- Participants were required to define the concept in their own words to ensure comprehension.
- Key Demographic Findings:
- Conservatives: Report higher intrinsic valuation of religion, retribution, and the preservation of existing values.
- Liberals: Report higher intrinsic valuation of animal well-being, nature, and the happiness of strangers.
- Females: More frequently report intrinsic values regarding kindness, caring, diversity, and human freedom.
- Males: More frequently report intrinsic values regarding selfish interests, in-group interests, and stranger pleasure.
- Older Adults: Value being trusted/cared for and general societal morality.
- Younger Adults: Value animal lifespans, personal admiration, and the pleasure of those they know.
- Effective Altruists: Show a distinct pattern of devaluing personal/in-group interests while strongly valuing the suffering and happiness of all conscious beings.
- Universal Intrinsic Values:
- 82% of non-EAs report "I love other people" as an intrinsic value; 71% value "beautiful things continuing to exist" even if unseen.
- Universal values (those not tied to self or specific in-groups) serve as a potential foundation for global cooperation.
- Practical Applications of Value Identification:
- Avoiding Value Traps: Distinguishing intrinsic from instrumental values prevents pursuing careers or goals (e.g., high money) that do not actually deliver the desired intrinsic experience (e.g., autonomy).
- Goal Factoring: Identifying the core intrinsic value allows for more efficient planning than pursuing intermediate goals (e.g., becoming a tenured professor) that were assumed to be the end-goal.
- Social Guilt: Understanding that different groups hold different intrinsic values reduces feelings of alienation or "wrongness" when one's values diverge from family or community expectations.
- Preventing Doublethink: Separating subjective intrinsic values from objective moral beliefs prevents self-deception where individuals claim to value only "acceptable" things (e.g., global welfare) while ignoring their genuine self-interest.
- Future Vision: Building a desirable future requires balancing multiple intrinsic values to ensure broad appeal, avoiding "hedonic treadmill" scenarios like a world of only pleasure machines that ignore autonomy or beauty.
Overconfidence and Calibration Studies
- Overconfidence Prediction Model: Greenberg identified five traits of a skill that predict whether people will be overconfident or underconfident regarding their performance relative to others.
- High Self-Perceived Ability: Skills people believe they are good at tend to yield overconfidence.
- Subjectivity: Skills viewed as matters of personal opinion (e.g., writing a novel) correlate with overconfidence.
- Experience: Higher self-reported experience correlates with overconfidence.
- Personality Connection: Skills viewed as reflective of character (e.g., making friends) correlate with overconfidence.
- Perceived Difficulty: Skills viewed as very difficult correlate with underconfidence (e.g., running a marathon, knitting).
- Empirical Findings:
- People are generally overconfident across a broad range of skills but consistently underconfident in skills perceived as difficult, objective, or unrelated to personality.
- A new tool is being developed on ClearThinking.org to predict overconfidence based on these five traits.
- Calibration Training:
- Greenberg created a quiz distinguishing common misconceptions from true facts to train users in calibration (predicting confidence intervals).
- Results from the quiz highlighted the difficulty of verifying truth, citing the "spinach iron myth" which involved a chain of errors where the original error was a decimal shift, and the subsequent debunking was also a myth.
- Calibration training demonstrates that people often give ranges that are too narrow (overprecision), though they can learn to improve this.
Bayesian Updating and Evidence Evaluation
- The "Question of Evidence": A framework for estimating the strength of evidence using the Bayes Factor.
- Formula:
Posterior Odds = Prior Odds × Bayes Factor. - Bayes Factor Calculation: "How much more likely is this evidence if the hypothesis is true compared to if it is false?"
- Ratios indicate strength: 3:1 (moderate), 30:1 (strong), 1:30 (strong against).
- Formula:
- Common Cognitive Errors in Updating:
- Ignoring the Comparative: Focusing only on the likelihood of evidence given a true hypothesis, ignoring the likelihood given a false one.
- Dismissing Weak Evidence: Accumulating weak, contradictory evidence over time can shift beliefs significantly; ignoring "trickles" of evidence leads to stagnation or error.
- Neglecting Priors: Failing to account for the base rate of a hypothesis (e.g., mistaking a friend in a random city for a known friend due to low prior probability).
- Reliability of Priors and Intuition:
- Trust in Intuition: Intuition is reliable only when there is high-frequency, low-noise feedback (e.g., a therapist reading patient cues). It fails in domains with delayed feedback (e.g., long-term therapy outcomes) or no feedback (e.g., philosophy, macroeconomics).
- Reference Class Forecasting:
- Start with an "outside view" (base rate of similar events) rather than an "inside view" (specific project details).
- Bias-Variance Trade-off: Narrower reference classes reduce bias but increase variance due to smaller sample sizes; optimal forecasting balances these.
- Example: Estimating startup success or project duration requires weighting historical failure rates (e.g., 90% of startups fail) against specific mitigating factors.
- Handling Specific Evidence Types:
- Models/Theories: Treat all models as wrong but useful; averaging predictions from multiple independent models reduces individual bias and noise.
- Empirical Studies: Evaluate studies by estimating the Bayes Factor, considering sample size, methodology, and publication bias (e.g., "p-hacking").
- Heuristics: Qualitative frameworks (e.g., "do I feel excited hiring this person?") can add value to predictive machines even if they resist quantification.
- Sanity Checks: Compare estimates to broad constraints (e.g., a company's value cannot exceed global wealth) to detect citation errors or "citation worms."
Case Studies in Updating
- Trump-Russia Collusion:
- Prior: Set low (e.g., <10%) based on the rarity of presidents colluding with foreign powers.
- Update: The meeting between Trump Jr. and a Kremlin contact increased the probability (Base Factor ~3-4:1), moving the odds from ~10% to ~30-40%.
- Context: Updated by distinguishing between the plausibility of the act and the evidence for it.
- US-China War:
- Prior: Reference class suggests ~70% war likelihood during major power transitions (historical data).
- Update: Adjusted downward due to the "regime change" of nuclear weapons (mutually assured destruction reduces war probability).
- Warning: Avoid double-counting evidence (e.g., multiple tariff disputes may not be independent signals).
- North Korea Nuclear Disarmament:
- Prior: Low (~10%) based on few historical examples of nations voluntarily giving up nukes.
- Update: Statements of intent to disarm were given a moderate update (3:1) but counterbalanced by the strategic incentive to keep weapons for security.
- Outcome: Net probability likely remains low due to strong strategic incentives to retain weapons.
- Theranos:
- Analysis: The company's failure to release a product for years ("vaporware") shifted the hypothesis from "incompetent" to "fraudulent."
- Evidence: Poorly written scientific papers suggested incompetence (sincere failure) rather than calculated fraud, as a fraudster might produce better-looking fake data.
- Investment Signals: Lack of interest from knowledgeable Silicon Valley biotech investors served as a negative signal.
- Power Posing:
- Context: Original study claimed large effects on hormones and behavior; subsequent pre-registered replications largely failed to find these effects.
- Greenberg's Analysis: Suggests a small, variable effect exists (n=1000 study found mood/power boost), but the original effect size was likely overstated.
- Placebo Factor: Acknowledged that the "power" effect may be a placebo or self-fulfilling prophecy, which is still valuable if it improves mood.
- Dietary Advice:
- Conclusion: Strong evidence exists only for specific deficiencies (e.g., Vitamin C for scurvy, Vitamin D for older women).
- General Advice: Most specific food claims lack high base factors; randomized trials are difficult to conduct, making causal links hard to prove.
- Anecdotes: Rapid recovery from a long-term condition after a diet change can provide a high Bayes Factor for an individual, even if it doesn't generalize.