Interview
Brad Gerstner: How I Pick Companies; Lessons from Warren Buffet; Chamath vs Gurley | E935
Personal History and Foundational Mindset
- Brad Gerstler's investment philosophy is rooted in a childhood in Indiana where his father, an engineer, lost his factory to an acquirer in 1978, mortgaged their home, and worked for 40 years to repay the bank debt without filing for bankruptcy.
- Gerstler's grandfather enforced a family rule that his children and grandchildren must become professionals, not entrepreneurs, which initially led Gerstler to law school as an "insurance policy" before he eventually pursued his father's unfinished entrepreneurial journey.
- The trauma of his father's financial collapse instilled a deep-seated risk aversion and a focus on downside protection that persists in Gerstler's current investment approach.
- Gerstler's family maintained emotional security through a tradition of saying "I love you and I like you," emphasizing that love is a choice, which allowed them to weather severe financial insecurity.
- Gerstler's childhood necessitated an early acceleration of maturity, as he managed his household and supported his family after his mother took on two jobs and his father passed away while he was still in middle school.
Investment Philosophy: Super Cycles and the Power Law
- Gerstler identifies the "Power Law" as the single most critical concept in venture capital, noting that a tiny number of firms and deals generate the vast majority of industry profits, often outperforming index returns.
- Gerstler rejects the strategy of "spraying and praying" across hundreds of companies, arguing that diversified portfolios yield only index-like returns that are unappealing in the venture space.
- He focuses on identifying "Super Cycles"—massive secular trends where category creation occurs—rather than specific market sizes at the time of investment.
- Gerstler's first identified Super Cycle was the internet (1990s-2000s), driving investments in search and e-commerce (e.g., Airbnb as a solution to inventory chaos).
- The second Super Cycle was the shift from desktop to mobile, leading to investments in Facebook and ByteDance based on the prediction that mobile would replace entertainment and communication mechanisms.
- The third and "biggest" Super Cycle involves the migration of all data storage and compute to the cloud, underpinning investments in Snowflake and Twilio.
- Gerstler argues that successful investing requires identifying market leaders within these super cycles before they are obvious, rather than following momentum trends where winners are already priced in.
- He warns against confirmation bias by maintaining a culture of "anthropologists who are investors," where the team continuously challenges internal theses by studying founders and engineers daily.
Portfolio Management and Market Dynamics
- Gerstler admits his biggest mistake in the last 18 months was failing to distribute liquidity on positions like Snowflake early enough when valuations were peaking, resulting in missed cash-outs.
- He views the recent dislocation in valuations as a necessary correction, noting that interest rates have shifted from near-zero to 4-4.5%, requiring a rational re-evaluation of exit multiples.
- Altimeter applies a 20% discount to the pre-COVID 10-year average Nasdaq multiple when underwriting future exits to ensure venture-like returns despite higher rates.
- Gerstler rejects "momentum investing," stating he will not invest at prices that exceed his internal underwriting models, even if it means passing on pro-rata rights in hot rounds.
- He believes the industry suffered from "groupthink" and a "lemming effect" over the last 18 months, where investors chased valuations that were 3x higher than three months prior.
- Gerstler advocates for "essentialism" in firm structure, keeping Altimeter small (13-14 analysts) and flat to avoid dilution of alpha and ensure partners can dedicate significant time to their best convictions.
- He distinguishes between being a "fund manager" and a "venture partner," arguing that a large team often leads to mediocrity and that the best founders want to be with smaller, high-conviction firms.
- Gerstler asserts that Altimeter's focus is on being "SEAL Team Six," where a small, cohesive team provides intensive support to portfolio companies rather than spreading resources thin.
LP Relations and Fund Structure
- Gerstler distributes capital to LPs when the fund's remaining portfolio no longer offers the potential for 3x-5x returns over the next 3-5 years, rather than holding assets indefinitely.
- He acknowledges the structural shift in LP base from pension funds to sovereign wealth funds (e.g., Middle East), noting that these new investors have lower hurdle rates, which compresses industry-wide returns.
- Gerstler argues that raising massive funds (e.g., $10B-$50B) forces a shift from alpha generation to beta exposure, as the best founders will not join large, dilutive funds.
- He advises LPs to mark down their portfolios aggressively if valuations have deviated from fundamentals, suggesting a heuristic of marking down recent valuations by 50% if the NASDAQ average has dropped similarly.
- Gerstler maintains that Altimeter's 20% personal capital stake aligns his interests with partners, prioritizing after-tax returns on the multiple over management fee generation.
Leadership, Hiring, and Culture
- Gerstler recruits by asking candidates, "Tell me how you've made money," using the answer to determine if they possess "plausible alpha" and a genuine understanding of business economics.
- He views the "hustle" for money as a necessary condition but insufficient without the discernment to build long-term value, warning against FOMO-driven decision-making.
- Altimeter operates on a "free agent" culture where employees are encouraged to leave and start their own funds, viewing this as a sign of the firm's strength and the employees' success (e.g., Dennis Hong, Rom).
- Gerstler prioritizes "radical candor" and "truth-telling" in the boardroom, refusing to let founders "blow smoke" up investors' backs, citing this as the most supportive stance for founders during crises.
- He avoids complex organizational hierarchies, rejecting the "CEO-MD-VP-Associate" structure in favor of a flat team where everyone is an "analyst" focused on deep study and thinking.
- Gerstler identifies "saying no" to SPACs, product proliferation, and large sovereign wealth fund offers as the primary challenge in maintaining the firm's strategic focus.
Personal Values and Legacy
- Gerstler lives in a small house to teach his children humility and the "burden" of having things, contrasting his lifestyle with the "helicopter drop" of wealth that prevents understanding the value of the climb.
- He manages his ego by surrounding himself with friends and family who "speak truth" and by engaging in annual family service trips with GivePower to maintain perspective on gratitude.
- Gerstler's biggest insecurities revolve around failing as a father by raising entitled children and dying with regrets about not using his platform to maximize positive impact.
- He views life as short and "passing through," committing to intentional living and leaving a legacy based on eulogy values rather than financial accumulation.
- For Altimeter's future, Gerstler aims for a generational transfer where the firm remains culturally recognizable and impactful, rather than expanding into a massive, Blackstone-like entity.
Quickfire Answers
- Favorite Book: The Snowball by Alice Schroeder, for its lessons on the power of compounding love, impact, and invention over a long horizon.
- SPACs Outlook: He believes SPACs "don't need to exist" in their current form but acknowledges they have forced innovation in traditional IPO and direct listing markets.
- Best Investment Advice: Warren Buffett's advice to "marry somebody you love," applied to portfolios: you must know your holdings well, as you cannot know 100 different companies.
- Most Common Mistake: Behavioral groupthink and FOMO, where young investors follow the herd into deals without doing independent work.
- Biggest Personal Mistake: Not writing a larger check into ByteDance in the early stages.
- Burning Man Significance: It serves as an "open-source experiment in humanity" teaching the core value of "no judgment" and suspending immediate reactions to see the art of the possible.