Interview
Cem Sertoglu: Lessons from the Greatest Venture Investment in European History | E1228
Fund One Performance Metrics:
- Generated $2.1 billion in proceeds from a total investment of $16.5 million.
- Achieved a 20x multiple on invested capital (MOIC).
- UiPath accounted for approximately 85% of total proceeds, driving the bulk of the return.
- Excluding UiPath, the fund still returned a 2.7x MOIC, positioning it as a top-quartile performance.
- UiPath grew from $1 million to $100 million ARR in 21 months, noted as the fastest growth rate at the time.
Investment Philosophy and Strategy:
- Investment Hierarchy: Prioritizes founders (character, alignment) over market size, which ranks second; traction is tertiary.
- The "Contract" Concept: Views early-stage checks (Seed/A) as long-term alignment contracts rather than traditional trades or financial assets.
- Market View: Rejects the notion that venture capital is becoming a commoditized low-margin business; asserts that "cash is green but not equal" due to the scarcity of high-quality partners.
- Fund Duration: Argues that the standard 10-year fund life is too short for early-stage investments, noting that almost no early-stage VC fund achieves full liquidity by year 10.
- Capital Allocation: Maintains a high General Partner (GP) commitment of nearly 10% ($25 million on a $250 million fund) to align with Limited Partners (LPs).
UiPath Deal Specifics:
- Entry: Met founder Daniel Dines in 2014 (12-person consulting firm); led the $1 million seed round in 2015 with a $1.5 million total raise.
- Valuation Negotiation: Originally negotiated a $20M valuation; founder insisted on $25M, which the firm accepted, noting the deal would have succeeded regardless of the 2x price difference.
- Bridge Financing: Provided a $2.5 million convertible bridge round when the market passed on the company; others cited insufficient traction at the time.
- A Round: Led a $3 million round at an $80M valuation alongside Accel; Accel later led the B round at a $1B valuation.
- B/C/D Rounds: Invested a $10 million late-stage check at the $1B valuation; sat out the $3B Sequoia-led round and subsequent $7B Series C.
- Exit Strategy: Began strategic divestment post-IPO, selling 10-12% annually to avoid market impact; entered IPO with <10% ownership (down from a peak of 18%).
Portfolio Management and Deal Sourcing:
- Concentration: Fund One held only 15 investments; Fund Two held 18, with a strategy focused on seed and Series A, plus selective pre-seed and B rounds.
- Board Dynamics: Advocates for a "quiet board" approach, reserving strong opinions for carefully chosen moments to avoid over-interference.
- Failure Analysis:
- Bolt (Taxify): Passed on the seed round due to skepticism regarding global margins and take rates in the ride-hailing space.
- Deal & Vanta: Declined pre-seed investments due to disliking the business category despite admiring the founders.
- Largest Realized Loss: Approximately $6 million in an HR business liquidated due to regulatory issues; attributed to insufficient data during a follow-on check.
- Fund Performance Distribution: In Fund One, only 3 of 15 investments failed to return capital; 6 remain live but are expected to return capital.
Market Cycles and Trends:
- "Tourist Capital": Criticizes the influx of external capital in 2021 for rushing into markets they didn't understand, leading to inflated valuations and rapid exit.
- Current Sentiment: Agrees with the interviewer that the AI sector represents a bubble comparable to 2021, with pricing described as "insane."
- Liquidity Concerns: Expresses worry over a sustained M&A and IPO downturn, though views it as cyclical rather than structural.
- Vintage Risk: Identifies fund vintage as the single biggest predictor of performance; majority of 2021 vintages are expected to underperform.
- Regional Macro: Counters LP concerns about regional political/currency risk by citing a track record where portfolio outcomes (global exits) were insulated from local turbulence.
Advice and Insights:
- Valuation Heuristic: Advises founders to raise at a valuation they feel 100% confident raising 3x in the next round.
- Pre-Seed Reality: Notes the erosion of true pre-seed rounds, where many "pre-seeds" are actually $100M+ "seeds" with no product.
- Follow-on Diligence: Emphasizes that early-stage deals are not "real investments" in the traditional sense but bets on the founder's ability to navigate; advises against obsessing over liquidation preferences which often get renegotiated.
- Care vs. Cash: Differentiates boutique funds from multi-stage firms by offering "care, attention, and capacity" rather than just capital, arguing that founders need partners who act as co-founders.
- Top Respected Investors: Cites Fred Wilson (as an inspiration) and firms USV and Benchmark for their disciplined focus on specific strategy.
- Contrarian Belief: Most investors incorrectly view early-stage investment as a trade; it is actually a long-term contract for alignment.