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Cerebras CEO on the Future of Data Centres, Token Costs & Memory | Should US Companies Sell to China

  • AI Infrastructure Supply Constraints:

    • There is currently a $25 billion backlog in data center construction due to an inability to build facilities fast enough to meet demand.
    • Memory shortages, particularly for High Bandwidth Memory (HBM), are expected to persist for several years if demand remains high.
    • HBM prices have increased 4x to 5x due to supply chain constraints involving Samsung, Micron, and Hynix.
    • New semiconductor fabs require a $40 billion investment and a five-year timeline to build, creating a "step function" inability to respond quickly to demand spikes.
    • Micron reports gross margins of 80% to 85% on memory production, driven by the shortage.
  • Market Dynamics and Competition:

    • Andrew Feldman (Cerebrus CEO) characterizes the current market as "behind demand" rather than a bubble, contrasting it with the 1990s fiber optics and railroad booms where infrastructure was built ahead of demand.
    • Cerebrus, founded by Feldman, completed the largest semiconductor IPO in history last week, raising over $5.5 billion with a share price surge from $185 to $311.
    • Cerebrus signed a $20+ billion deal with OpenAI, a relationship that grew from an initial $1 billion agreement with G42.
    • OpenAI is reportedly 1.5 to 2 generations behind the latest GPU technology (e.g., missing the Blackwell B200) because they purchased existing stock (H100s) rather than securing the newest supply.
    • Feldman argues NVIDIA has over-allocated to "neoclouds" to create competitors for traditional hyperscalers, potentially creating an unhealthy dependence.
    • Cerebrus claims to run the Kimi K2.6 model 6.7x faster than the next fastest GPU cloud, positioning speed as a critical differentiator with a "zero market" for slow inference.
  • Cost Structure and Technology Trends:

    • Cerebrus avoids HBM shortages and costs by utilizing SRAM, which does not face the same supply constraints.
    • The industry trend points toward a massive reduction in the cost per unit of compute over time, driven by architectural improvements delivering more tokens per dollar and per watt.
    • Feldman notes that while Google's full-stack ownership (TPUs to data centers) offers a cost advantage, it historically limits market size because hardware is sold only to internal use.
    • OpenAI's "brilliance" lay in recognizing exponential compute demand years in advance and securing contracts for power and hardware before others.
  • U.S.-China Relations and Geopolitics:

    • There is a consensus in the semiconductor industry that selling leading-edge technology to China will inevitably be used by their military and government to gain an industrial advantage.
    • Feldman supports keeping China out of the US ecosystem to manage the risk, viewing them as an industrial adversary, despite historical appreciation for their entrepreneurs.
    • The US strategy involves using chokepoints like TSMC and ASML to limit China's access to cutting-edge lithography.
    • Feldman advocates for onshore TSMC-like capabilities in the US, citing the loss of packaging expertise and the ecosystem as a strategic liability.
    • He proposes a policy change: granting a 20-year exemption from local and state ordinances for TSMC and Samsung to build fabs in the US, comparing fabs to "modern pyramids" that require specialized, streamlined regulation.
  • Enterprise Adoption and Barriers:

    • The primary inhibitor to enterprise AI adoption is currently legal and security apparatuses that lack precedent for new technologies.
    • Productivity gains from AI are expected to expand engineering teams rather than shrink them, as the volume of tasks increases 50x the current capacity.
    • Roles such as CIO and CSO evolved from networking and security needs; a new "AI Officer" role is emerging for AI governance.
    • Data organization is a competitive moat; companies like Mayo Clinic with 30 years of disciplined data structuring hold a significant advantage over those with unorganized data.
    • Europe faces a structural challenge due to a regulatory mindset ("fear, then regulate, tax") and a culture less tolerant of failure compared to Silicon Valley.
  • IPO Strategy and Future Outlook:

    • Cerebrus timed its IPO deliberately to be the first and only pure-play AI company public before major competitors like SpaceX or OpenAI, leveraging a window where investors were shut out of private deals.
    • Feldman credits the successful IPO to persistence, noting they attempted to go public a year and a half earlier but were blocked by regulatory concerns (specifically regarding the previous administration) that disappeared under the current administration.
    • Feldman predicts the "limiting factor" for AI will likely be electricity supply, with the industry shifting toward multi-gigawatt data center build-outs.
    • He anticipates the "good neighbor" approach to data centers—paying for own infrastructure upgrades, recycling water, and building community assets like schools—to be the standard for future local permits.
  • Personal and Organizational Insights:

    • Cerebrus has created approximately 800 millionaires, a metric Feldman cites as a core measure of leadership success compared to his previous company's 100.
    • Feldman advises that sustaining a relationship while leading a public company requires a partner with patience who understands the daily "pressure test on the soul" of entrepreneurship.
    • He revealed that he spent 18 months burning $8 million per month on R&D for a technical problem that only Cerebrus has since solved, a period of doubt where the board did not apply external pressure.
    • The current administration is described as "unwaveringly better for business" due to the ability to operate without obstruction, though Feldman acknowledges specific points of disagreement.