Interview
From SEO to Agent-Led Growth: Profound's James Cadwallader
- Marketing has shifted from a "nice-to-have" to an absolute necessity; teams not utilizing AI agents, specifically "profound agents," for execution are failing.
- Profound serves approximately 12% of the Fortune 500, helping companies navigate visibility across AI search models like ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini.
- The market is undergoing a fundamental platform shift from "blue link search" (deterministic human discovery) to "probabilistic AI responses" (agent-mediated discovery).
- The primary change is not the internet's interface but the "user": agents now crawl the web to discover, verify, and recommend brands before humans ever see them.
The Shift in Content Consumption and Strategy
- Agents consume content differently than humans, utilizing the long tail of the internet; James cited a personal example where ChatGPT used 65 different web pages to answer a simple query about a showerhead.
- Future AI agents are expected to use orders of magnitude more of the internet to synthesize answers, driven by Moore's Law and decreasing inference costs.
- Content strategy must shift from building for human attention (SEO) to building for agent discovery and consumption; much of this new content may never be read by a human.
- High-consideration categories (consumer electronics, autos, white goods) are seeing the most immediate impact from agentic search due to the complexity of research required.
- Platform-specific behaviors vary significantly based on training data:
- Gemini: Leans heavily on YouTube content due to Google ownership.
- ChatGPT: Frequently cites Reddit for consumer queries and LinkedIn for B2B.
- Claude: Historically relied on pre-trained models but has recently updated classifiers to prioritize real-time web data more heavily.
Risks, Incentives, and the "Dead Internet" Theory
- James warns of a potential "dead internet" scenario within three years, where the economic incentive to publish content diminishes as human traffic disappears and agents vacuum information without clicking citations.
- The current advertising model relies on human page visits for revenue; if agents bypass these pages, the economics of the open web could collapse.
- Potential solutions include vertical integration of AI labs with social networks (e.g., OpenAI acquiring Reddit) to secure real-time human data, or platforms like Reddit and X monetizing agent scraping via API deals.
- Social media is predicted to become the primary "biozone" for human status and idea exchange, while the broader internet remains an agent-accessible data layer.
- Current attempts to "game" the system via self-serving listicles are effective for now, but models are expected to evolve toward first-principle reasoning, making such tactics less viable over time.
The Future of Advertising and Agent-Led Growth
- Generative advertising will likely become the most effective format, utilizing hyper-personalized context within conversational interfaces where consumer intent is highest.
- Future ad units may function via system prompts where advertisers define target audiences and specific conversation triggers rather than traditional banner placements.
- B2B and developer contexts differ significantly; agents are expected to remain objective and unswayed by branding, demanding technical interoperability and data legibility over emotional persuasion.
- High-quality content is not a "red herring"; the key to winning in the agentic era is providing "original insight" that the models do not already possess in their training data.
- Brands must treat agents as "super-intelligent beings" and ensure their products are legible, usable, and interoperable for automated troubleshooting and recommendation.
Strategic Imperatives for Marketers
- Visibility is the prerequisite for optimization; marketers must use specialized tools to analyze exactly how and where their brand is cited in AI responses.
- The misconception that agents merely automate existing workflows is incorrect; they enable entirely new forms of marketing previously impossible, such as real-time battle card generation from sales transcripts.
- James asserts that not using agents for content creation and distribution is functionally equivalent to ignoring the internet entirely.
- A core strategy for 2024-2025 is to "equip super intelligence" with unique, proprietary data about new products to ensure accurate recommendations.
- Marketers should stop trying to pattern-match to old SEO levers and instead focus on building content specifically designed to be consumed by algorithms.