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Growing A 10+ Million Youtube Following At The Age of 22: Joe Sugg | E172

  • Rapid Growth and Sudden Shift:

    • Started YouTube at 19–20 years old; reached ~6 million subscribers by age 22.
    • Experienced a rapid rise followed by a plateau, noting that "the rise but also the fall can happen so quick."
    • At the peak (2015–2016), managed three separate YouTube channels solo while releasing a book and filming a BBC feature.
    • The algorithm shifted around 2016–2017, favoring long-form content (55+ minute videos) over the short-form style that initially brought success.
  • Mental Health and Psychology:

    • Developed severe anxiety and imposter syndrome during the peak of his career, exacerbated by the feeling of living a "double life" (e.g., roofing thatching one week, meeting Simon Cowell the next).
    • Struggled with procrastination attributed to psychological discomfort and the fear that the creative output wouldn't match his vivid internal vision.
    • Overcame stigma around therapy after his sister, who also suffers from anxiety, encouraged him; credits therapy with helping him manage "people-pleasing" tendencies and fear of upsetting others.
    • Implements specific coping strategies for anxiety, such as "de-catastrophizing" scenarios and breaking large tasks into 30-minute chunks.
    • Experienced a burnout moment around 2016–2017 where he considered quitting, feeling that his simple life as a roof thatcher was superior to his current chaotic existence.
  • Career Pivot and Mentorship:

    • Co-founded a management company with fellow YouTuber Caspar Lee to mentor young creators, aiming to prevent the psychological traps he observed in peers who achieved fame too young.
    • Warns that early, massive success can create unrealistic expectations that "ruin lives," citing the decline of 18–19-year-old YouTubers from 2013–2014.
    • Writes the book Grow to advocate for disconnecting from screens and reconnecting with nature, a practice that began during the lockdown via balcony gardening.
    • Defines himself primarily as a "creative person" rather than adhering to a specific job title.
  • Relationships and Public Life:

    • Met his girlfriend, professional dancer Diane, on the TV show Strictly Come Dancing (Season 16, 2018) at age 26–27; she was his first serious girlfriend.
    • The relationship began after the show ended, accelerated by a trip to the New Forest where they were followed by a paparazzi-style figure, causing a panic-driven moment of anxiety while driving.
    • Noted the irony that a public platform (Strictly) facilitated what he had assumed would remain a private relationship, exposing the "best and worst" of themselves under immense pressure.
  • Personal History and Background:

    • Transformed from a loud, annoying child in a small rural primary school (52 pupils) to a timid, shy adolescent after moving to a large secondary school (1,000+ pupils).
    • Adopted a self-deprecating humor in secondary school to deflect bullying.
    • Originally aimed to be an archaeologist (inspired by Daniel Jones) or an animator at Aardman Animations.
    • Chose not to attend university despite good A-level grades; instead, pursued roof thatching with his uncle as a "safety net" and practical trade.
    • Maintained a psychological conflict between high self-confidence in abilities and deep-seated self-doubt regarding future outcomes.
  • Forward-Looking Statements:

    • Believes the current "paddling" phase for his career is necessary before catching the next "big wave," acknowledging the difficulty of replicating his initial YouTube success.
    • Urges new creators to expect anxiety, haters, and negative press, asserting that the long-term positives outweigh the immediate negatives.
    • Advocates for balancing online life with real-world activities to maintain mental well-being, suggesting that success without happiness is a form of self-punishment.
    • Expresses a desire to continue mentoring young talent to help them navigate the psychological complexities of social media fame.