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Jordan Van Horn: 3 Reasons Salespeople Fail; How to Make a Sales Playbook | 20VC #918
- Sales deal success requires founders to deeply understand customer pain and consequences of inaction, otherwise deals will repeatedly slip.
- Founders who hire salespeople primarily to save time will continue to spend 25% of their time with customers for six to nine months, and hiring does not resolve product-market fit issues.
- Pricing discipline becomes critical as a company scales to prevent customers from feeling fleeced, particularly when moving beyond the early days or reaching a hundred customers.
- High-churn risk exists in upper-end deals if a champion leaves before the product is fully adopted, creating immediate churn risk on day one of the contract.
- For transactional deals with Average Selling Prices (ASPs) under $12,000, startups may hire more reps based on volume, whereas enterprise motions require hiring individuals needing minimal supervision.
- Founders who deviate from structured hiring processes due to board pressure often face deep regret, emphasizing the need for rigorous, founder-led selection criteria.
- Documenting a "User Guide" regarding work habits and boundaries helps shortcut the trust process with new hires, particularly regarding work-life expectations.
- New hires require objective feedback and a clear definition of excellence rather than vague supportive guidance from a "cheerleader."
- Historical ways of working will break down when new employees outnumber the core nucleus unless the nucleus can actively enforce cultural standards.
- Monte Carlo scaled from zero to 80 people in a year and a half, a pace that forced placing reps with customers in week one instead of the ideal 30 to 60 days.
- Forward-looking deal reviews should occur weekly to analyze key deals, while post-mortems are conducted on every single deal where significant resources were invested without success.
- Qualification tactics identified as "discovering qualification" and "qualification" are expected to remain unchanged for a long time.
- Pure top-down sales tactics have declined as modern CIOs and CTOs demand proof of team adoption rather than unilateral decisions based on presentation decks.
- In the early days of a SaaS company, the primary focus is on learning from customers who provide feedback, regardless of whether the deal size is $50,000 or a million dollars.
- Startups should only hire salespeople after repeatedly generating five to 10 leads per week that progress from the discovery phase to the evaluation phase.
- Hiring a salesperson to solve a product-market fit problem is ineffective if the founder has fewer than four to five customers who have paid and validated the value.
- Founders should only hire sales reps with sustained historical success across their careers, avoiding those with middle-of-the-pack or low performance who may rely on future luck.
- Rapid growth to 150 people creates communication breakdowns where a pure democracy allows short-tenure employees (three to six months) to override the core nucleus.
- Early-stage onboarding for new sales hires in small teams (five employees) lacks structured rigor, relying instead on providing information for the hire to decipher independently.
- New hire impact is expected within 30 days, measured by activities like being on customer calls or raising onboarding standards rather than immediately closing six-figure deals.
- Enterprise deal processes should provide early signals regarding conversion likelihood (e.g., 10% or 5%) based on the design of the sales process, even though revenue is a lagging indicator.
- A shift toward customer-oriented sales driven by sellers who genuinely care is preferred over tactics that generate distrust.
- As headcount grows to a thousand reps, the company will need a dedicated field enablement function, whereas early stages require frontline sales managers to own onboarding.
- A potential red flag exists if a sales rep cannot demonstrate next steps or introductions during initial calls, as young companies cannot afford inactivity.
- Top founders remain accountable for answering three core go-to-market questions perpetually, from seed stage through public company status.
- A founder-led V0 playbook should document only the problem, wins/losses, and urgency, without needing to be polished or precise.
- In lower-end markets with an ASP of $4,000, building complex, multi-threaded go-to-market motions is unnecessary; the focus should be on compressing deal cycles.
- Performance dips in sales reps should be investigated for skill misalignment rather than attributed to luck, requiring deep questioning to uncover root causes.
- Reference checking should involve calling everyone, as running only two or three references is considered inadequate for thorough vetting.
- The best presentation interviews feature discovery and the ability to hold court, whereas the worst are "book reports" demonstrating only content consumption.
- A lack of conviction from a sales leader regarding role requirements leads to bringing 15 people to the hiring process, which consistently fails.
- Clear boundaries are set, such as not answering meetings between 5 PM and 7 PM to protect personal time.
- On day one, new hires are briefed on their "superpowers" and "major derailers," with a commitment to monitor these derailers closely.
- Sales leaders must remain objective and detach emotionally from middle management roles to effectively manage teams.
- The review of a new hire's superpowers and derailers should occur weekly, though rapid growth seasons can make this difficult to maintain.
- The first interview tests motivation by trying to scare the candidate off with the reality of job difficulties and current company flaws.
- The second interview verifies a historical track record of excellence, ensuring success was driven by the individual rather than a "rocket ship" company.
- The on-site process consists of three interviews focusing on specific competencies, followed by a presentation that serves as a final test on motivation and hard skills.
- On-site interviews include scoring and debriefing to assess skills, motivation, and cultural fit.
- A poor pitch presentation is a clear indicator of onboarding failure, even for candidates with 10 years of experience.
- Setting up three or four calls without resulting next steps or introductions is a red flag in a young company environment.
- Founders should openly share failures monthly to create a safe space where admitting mistakes is viewed as strength.
- Enterprise new hires who are flailing in the organization and not making impact in 30 days are not moving in the right direction.
- The hiring interview process involves scaring off candidates in the first round, verifying excellence in the second, and testing skills and motivation on-site.
- A presentation for a new hire allows the candidate to use all resources and ask questions, serving as a final motivation test.
- Founders should avoid hiring individuals who lack the internal drive to do the work, as the role will "suck" and they will not succeed.