Interview, Fireside Chat
Julio Vasconcellos: Scaling to $100M and 1,200 Employees and then Cratering | 20VC #928
Julio Torres-Costa's Career Trajectory:
- Spent 15 years in tech, split evenly between Silicon Valley and Brazil, primarily as a founder and operator before transitioning to full-time investing.
- Founded Atlantico, an early-stage venture fund focused exclusively on Latin America, leveraging his local operational experience.
- Previously served as the first head of Facebook in Brazil (2010–2011), leading growth efforts against competitor Orkut (35M users vs. Facebook's 1M).
Key Lessons from Facebook Latin America:
- Learned the critical dominance of product-market fit; without it, execution quality is irrelevant, but with it, operational challenges become solvable.
- Recognized the founder's vision as the primary unifying force for a team, noting that non-founders lack the authority to create and shape such vision.
- Adopted the "strong opinions, loosely held" philosophy: maintain high conviction on long-term goals while retaining flexibility to pivot the execution path.
Pace Urbano (Groupon Clone) Growth and Decline:
- Scaled from a living room in Rio de Janeiro to 1,200 employees across six countries with over $100M in annual revenue within two years.
- Admitted to major mistakes including expanding too many product lines (food delivery, reservations, content) and geographies too quickly.
- Identified that the "daily deals" model was unsustainable and the market collapse was exacerbated by over-extension, leading to a sharp decline in company performance.
- Noted that early-stage hypergrowth often breaks processes first, requiring a shift from manual labor (hiring "bodies") to software solutions.
Investment Philosophy and Founder Preferences:
- Believes market potential comes before the team in early-stage investing; once product-market fit is found, hiring and scaling naturally follow.
- Advises founders to focus on one geography, one customer, and one product to win, rather than fighting a "multi-front war."
- Shifted personal bias from "move fast and break things" (90% scrappiness) to a 60/40 balance favoring product craftsmanship after the failure of Preferred (2019–2022).
- Views "winning a market" as achieving a barrier to entry or network effect density that prevents easy competitor displacement.
Atlantico Fund Strategy and Operations:
- Raised the first fund over six months through hundreds of conversations, prioritizing LPs who bet on the manager rather than a formulaic approach.
- Maintains a thin reserve strategy (25% of fund for follow-ons vs. the industry standard of 50%) to maximize capital concentration on high-conviction bets.
- Targets a portfolio of ~20 companies, aiming for the "power law" where one hit (e.g., 100x return) covers the cost of the entire fund.
- Explicitly rejects "playing not to lose," aiming instead to miss no major hits and accepting higher loss ratios as a byproduct of aggressive growth.
Latin America Ecosystem Analysis:
- Current tech penetration in Latin America is 1.5% (3% in Brazil) compared to 52% in the US, suggesting a potential 10x value creation opportunity over the next decade.
- Attributes the gap to a 10–15 year delay in ecosystem maturity rather than a lack of potential.
- Confirms that unlike the US, Latin America has not seen a post-pandemic reversion to pre-2020 digital adoption trends; growth has persisted.
- Disagrees with concerns over growth capital shortages, noting that dedicated global funds (General Atlantic, Temasek, GHC) remain active despite the retreat of crossover funds.
- Anticipates a higher mortality rate for companies as "zombie" businesses that raised capital during the boom will fail, which is a healthy market correction.
Liquidity and Investment Decisions:
- Sold 10–20% of top positions (Ipsy, Quinto Andar) to guarantee returns without fully exiting, prioritizing risk management while retaining upside.
- Recalled missing the seed round of Snapchat due to Facebook conflict committee constraints, viewing it as the ultimate lesson in not letting bureaucracy override product-market fit conviction.
- Recent major investment in Fudo, a profitable, bootstrapped restaurant POS and management software company with 10,000+ clients, viewed as a "Square meets Toast" play for the region.
Board Dynamics and Investor-Founder Relationships:
- Skeptical of the formal board of directors, believing most strategic value comes from informal advisor networks and external mentors (e.g., Mickey Malka).
- Advocates for being "cutthroat" when necessary to correct a founder's course, including firing co-founders or pivoting, to maximize returns for LPs.
- Advises founders in downturns to over-index on runway by aggressively cutting costs ("cut the muscle, not just the fat") and trust that smaller teams can be more productive.
Quickfire Insights:
- Influential Book: The New New Thing by Michael Lewis (inspired his entry into tech and investing).
- Underrated Angel: Sarah Smith (Sarah Smith Fund), noted for her ability to build high-performance teams.
- Changed View: In emerging markets, sometimes prioritizing "fundable" founders (e.g., English fluency) over purely non-consensus ideas to ensure future capital availability.
- Regret: Underestimated the time commitment required for LP management during the fundraise.
- Desired LP: Yale Endowment (due to mentorship from Penn Endowment chairman Andy Ratcliffe).
- Industry Change: Wants to eliminate the performative nature of fundraising and valuation dances to focus on efficient deal-making.