Conference Presentation, Panel
Lessons Learned: Mitigating the Next Crisis
Milken InstituteAndy Serwer, Tom Finke, Penny Pennington, Emmanuel Roman, Manny Roman, Claude Grunitzky
Market Conditions and Crisis Preparedness
- Penny Pennington (Edward Jones):
- The 2008–2009 crisis prompted the firm to eliminate all debt, solidify its capital base, and shift focus to "tailoring" investor risk to specific client goals.
- The firm serves 7 million individual clients, prioritizing the alignment of portfolios with client outcomes over generic market strategies.
- During the 2020 market sell-off (35–40%), client priorities shifted to physical health first, emotional well-being second, and financial resilience third.
- Edward Jones operates physical locations in 2,000 of 3,000 US counties and all 10 Canadian provinces, enabling hyper-local responses to community disparities.
- Manny Roman (PIMCO):
- March 15–16, 2020, triggered a bond market freeze where the firm secured quotes from only 5 of 10 dealers; one refused, and the best bid was six basis points.
- PIMCO's crisis preparedness included a 2016 "bird and pig flu" simulation and an earthquake protocol that split the trading floor between Newport Beach and Irvine.
- The firm hired a top COVID expert in February to model infection, treatment, and vaccine outcomes, projecting a vaccine availability between late 2020 and mid-2021.
- Roman argues that large financial institutions' ability to work remotely was overstated, citing liquidity failures when market makers were unable to coordinate from home.
- He suggests market makers should potentially be classified as "essential workers" to ensure market functioning.
- Tom Fink (Barings):
- Barings established a global, 17-country technology backbone in 2016, making remote work the primary business continuity plan rather than a reactive measure.
- The firm had prior experience managing disruptions in Asia (2019), allowing for a seamless transition to global office shutdowns in early 2020.
- A global return-to-office task force, led by the Chief Legal Officer, is evaluating each office individually to determine safe reopening protocols.
Organizational Shifts and Return-to-Work Strategies
- Remote Work and Office Utilization:
- Barings and Edward Jones anticipate that returning to a standard five-day in-office schedule may never occur; hybrid models are expected to become the norm.
- PIMCO is testing a "four trading floor" design to allow social distancing within its investment community, moving away from the single-floor model.
- PIMCO projects office occupancy levels for the end of the year as follows: Asia at 75%, Europe and Texas at 50%, with New York remaining uncertain due to public transit safety concerns.
- Edward Jones reopened branches in June after maintaining operations as "essential" services for staff while closing them to client face-to-face meetings.
- Employee Well-being and Culture:
- Leadership at all three firms emphasized the need to enforce boundaries to prevent 24/7 work burnout during the initial remote transition.
- Tom Fink reported increased one-on-one virtual engagement with colleagues, noting that home environments provided a unique context for building empathy.
- All firms are prioritizing mental health resources, linking flexibility in work arrangements to broader Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives to attract talent.
- Manny Roman noted that PIMCO has reduced travel significantly, potentially lowering CO2 emissions, though this creates challenges for fostering investment alpha through face-to-face exchange.
Social Issues: The "Triple Pandemic" and Racial Justice
- Interconnected Crises:
- Penny Pennington described the current era as a "triple pandemic": health, economic, and racial/social unrest, noting their disproportionate impact on marginalized groups.
- Edward Jones has launched a five-part commitment to racial diversity, equity, and inclusion to address systemic barriers to financial access.
- Manny Roman cited the Central Park dog incident as an example of "embedded racism" in the subconscious, urging introspection within the financial industry.
- Tom Fink emphasized that racial justice is a global issue, not limited to the US, requiring the firm to address social injustice in Europe, the UK, and Asia.
- Industry Accountability:
- Panelists agreed that progress in gender diversity (e.g., Penny Pennington, Mary Barra) contrasts sharply with the lack of progress regarding African-American representation.
- Manny Roman stated that no single entity holds the "high moral ground" and called for collective humility, accountability, and resource allocation to solve systemic inequality.
- Leaders committed to opening dialogues with colleagues to better understand diverse perspectives and leverage the "clarity" brought by the global pause.
Economic Outlook and Investment Strategy
- Market Recovery and Risks:
- Manny Roman noted a recovery to 75–105% of pre-crisis levels by June, a scenario unforeseen during the March 2020 low.
- Tom Fink warns of a "severe credit cycle" ahead, with significant pain expected in retail, travel, and leisure sectors.
- The firm anticipates continued volatility and a shift toward growth-oriented sectors, particularly technology.
- Manny Roman highlighted the uncertainty surrounding the US election and US-China relations as a major risk factor for the next six months.
- Investor Behavior and Strategy:
- Evidence suggests individual investors' risk appetite will permanently decline following traumatic events, necessitating more careful management of savings, spending, and borrowing.
- Edward Jones reports that advised investors hold 25% more assets on average than those who self-manage, reinforcing the value of human counseling.
- Manny Roman confirmed that while the process of investing remains unchanged, the scenarios used for stress testing must evolve to include pandemics, climate change, and new geopolitical risks.
- The panel rejected the notion that all companies can survive; some, particularly in retail, oil, and aviation, face existential threats exacerbated by government support structures.
- Active management is expected to see increased opportunities as the market differentiates between companies saved by the government and those that will fail.