Interview, Fireside Chat
Mass Surveillance, Police Misuse, and Who Controls Your Flock Cameras with Flock CEO, Garret Langley
Flock's Scale and Impact:
- Flock operates in roughly 6,000 U.S. cities.
- The system solved over 1 million crimes last year.
- Flock located more than 10,000 missing persons, including children and those with dementia.
- In July alone, Flock assisted in locating over 1,125 missing people and 20,000 stolen vehicles.
- 90% of crimes are solvable using only seven days of data retention, according to Flock's internal estimates.
- 90% of crimes are solvable using only seven days of data retention, according to Flock's internal estimates.
Data Retention Policies and Defaults:
- Flock has shifted its default data retention period from 30 days down to 7 days.
- City councils retain final authority to set their own retention limits, ranging from 2 days to statutory maximums (e.g., 5 years in New Jersey).
- Flock does not utilize facial recognition, capture video, look inside vehicles, or allow user-based searches for individuals.
- Flock captures static license plate images along with vehicle characteristics such as make, model, color, and damage (e.g., dents, missing hubcaps).
Governance and Decision Making:
- Flock attends approximately 10,000 city council meetings annually to explain product capabilities and limitations.
- Local police chiefs and city managers propose technology adoption, with final votes cast by elected city council members.
- Some communities have chosen to deactivate Flock due to privacy concerns, while others have reactivated them after experiencing increased crime rates.
- The company reports a churn rate of approximately 1%, a deviation from its historical zero-churn model.
System Abuse and Audit Controls:
- Flock identified and reported a dozen instances of abuse over eight years prior to deploying new detection tools.
- A new mandatory "Audit Assistance" tool has been built to detect abnormal search patterns indicative of stalking or personal vendettas.
- The tool flags anomalies, such as repeated searches for the same vehicle without a corresponding "hot list" entry for the wider department.
- Police departments have fired officers based on data from Flock's audit logs; one chief in Georgia recently fired nine officers for the most severe offenses.
- Flock requires the new audit tool to be enabled as a mandatory feature for all customers.
AI and Emerging Technology Risks:
- Flock is intentionally delaying the deployment of AI features for 911 systems to avoid hallucination risks and ensure human-in-the-loop oversight.
- The company rejects AI capabilities that define suspicion or predict crimes (e.g., "pre-cog" tracking of suspicious behavior) before a human crime has been established.
- Drone technology, currently Flock's fastest-growing business unit, is used to de-escalate 911 calls (e.g., verifying if a person with a weapon is actually holding a toy) before police dispatch.
- Drones launch from automated docks on police roofs, reaching 911 calls within minutes to visually confirm threats.
- There is currently zero federal regulation governing drone surveillance, with only FAA air safety rules applying.
Community Pushback and Reputation:
- Flock faced significant public backlash, including camera vandalism and protests driven by misinformation regarding facial recognition capabilities.
- Approximately 1% of Flock's 6,000+ customer cities have deactivated the system, largely due to misinformation about competitor features.
- Several cities (roughly 20) have reactivated their Flock systems after realizing the negative impact on public safety and crime clearance rates.
- CEO Garrett Langley acknowledges past communication failures but emphasizes the necessity of strong data defaults to protect community values.
- The company is addressing the "surveillance state" fear by clarifying that Flock does not track individuals who opt out of the system via private property rights or state laws.
Competitive Landscape and Industry Standards:
- Flock distinguishes itself from competitors (such as Ring or other ALPR providers) by refusing to offer facial recognition or unrestricted data sharing.
- Competitors are described as running "reckless" models without the same level of audit accountability and data governance.
- Flock is willing to lose customers who refuse to adhere to strict accountability and audit standards.
- State-level regulations vary significantly, with New Hampshire setting a 3-minute retention limit and Washington setting a 21-day limit.
Transparency and Future Outlook:
- Flock customers have access to transparency portals showing audit logs, drone flight patterns, and camera locations.
- Real-time flight logs are generally delayed to protect active investigations, though lag-free data is available for command staff during critical events.
- CEO Langley predicts that cities will increasingly readdress Flock contracts as public sentiment shifts back toward safety following high-profile crime spikes.
- The company aims to set industry-wide defaults for accountability, forcing competitors to eventually match these standards.