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Neel Kashkari, President & CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis | Global Conference 2024

  • Current Economic Dynamics and the Neutral Rate

    • Rapid disinflation occurred in the second half of 2023, bringing inflation down to approximately 3%, accompanied by stronger-than-anticipated economic growth.
    • In the first quarter of 2024, inflation has moved sideways while economic growth remains resilient, suggesting monetary policy may not be exerting as much downward pressure on demand as historically expected.
    • Kashkari posits that the neutral interest rate—the rate that neither stimulates nor slows the economy—may have risen in the short run due to U.S. reopening dynamics.
    • The housing market has shown unexpected resilience despite 30-year mortgage rates rising to roughly 7.5%, challenging assumptions about policy transmission speed.
  • Interest Rate Trajectory and Scenarios

    • The most likely current scenario involves keeping interest rates unchanged for an extended period to gain clarity on whether disinflation is continuing or has stalled.
    • Rate cuts would be considered if disinflation resumes or if there is marked weakening in the labor market.
    • Rate hikes remain a non-base-case possibility if inflation becomes entrenched at 3%.
    • Kashkari notes that his March forecast of two rate cuts this year remains the upper bound; he acknowledges the possibility of only one cut or zero cuts depending on incoming data.
  • Key Data Indicators and Decision Criteria

    • The Federal Reserve is data-dependent, monitoring both inflation prints and labor market conditions to determine policy shifts.
    • Kashkari is concerned that new lease rates for housing have ticked up recently, which could feed into future inflation data over the next one to two years.
    • To confirm inflation is under control, the Committee requires multiple positive inflation readings (a "constellation of data") rather than relying on a single good print following three consecutive bad ones.
    • Monetary policy effects are already visible in credit card and auto loan delinquencies among subprime borrowers, though the transmission to the broader economy is slower than anticipated.
  • Credibility and the 2% Target

    • The Fed remains committed to the 2% inflation target to maintain policy credibility; settling for 3% could signal that the Fed might accept higher inflation levels in future spikes.
    • Failure to hit the 2% target could undermine confidence in the Fed's ability to control inflation during future economic cycles.
  • Political Independence and Financial Markets

    • Kashkari explicitly stated that the upcoming November presidential election will not influence interest rate decisions, emphasizing that policy must be driven solely by economic data.
    • Financial markets have displayed "exuberance" despite recent negative inflation prints, raising concerns that market pricing may be inconsistent with the restrictive stance needed to tame demand.
    • Kashkari expressed skepticism regarding the "Blue Chip" survey of financial forecasters, noting that many respondents are former Fed economists, which may create a feedback loop of consensus rather than independent analysis.
  • Risk Assessment and Tail Scenarios

    • Primary risks include underlying inflation stabilizing above 2% and the potential for accumulated rate hikes to impact the economy abruptly later than expected.
    • Kashkari identified uncertainty regarding the sustainability of currently strong U.S. productivity growth, noting that productivity data often involves significant revisions.
    • Commercial real estate and hidden risks in the global financial system (similar to the 2008 crisis) represent potential, unidentified sources of economic shock.
    • Regarding the dual mandate, the Fed has not mathematically defined the trade-off between price stability and maximum employment, leaving the balance to the judgment of individual policymakers.
  • Supply-Side and Structural Constraints

    • Kashkari views long-term housing supply constraints as a separate issue from the current monetary policy cycle, which focuses on the next two to three years.
    • While high interest rates could eventually reduce housing supply, this is considered a long-term effect rather than an immediate driver of current policy decisions.
    • Business feedback indicates that while pricing power has diminished compared to a year ago, underlying demand remains strong, and labor competition persists.
Neel Kashkari, President & CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis | Global Conference 2024 — Summary