Panel
Opportunities in Global Real Estate | Global Conference 2025
Milken InstituteCarol Massar, Debra Cafaro, Justin Kennedy, Andrew Smith, David Steinbach, Barry Sternlicht
U.S. Global Standing and Macroeconomic Outlook
- Consensus on U.S. Market Position: Most panelists (Debra, David, Andrew) agree the U.S. remains the largest economy, premier capital market, and primary destination for global capital, often citing current valuations as "on sale."
- Barry's Divergent View: Barry warns against complacency, noting the U.S. risks losing its lead to China's expanding infrastructure ties and highlighting critical vulnerabilities:
- A sovereign deficit ranging from $37 trillion to $50 trillion, projected to exceed $2 trillion annually, requiring sustained foreign funding.
- Erosion of historical advantages due to unstable borders, lack of energy independence claims, and an aging education system compared to nations like Abu Dhabi integrating AI.
- A warning that the U.S. must win global admiration through policy and education, rather than "winning by default" due to a lack of global alternatives.
- Deglobalization and Trade Friction: The panel anticipates a permanent shift toward "deglobalization," characterized by:
- Increased friction costs and uncertainties as businesses wait for trade deals and tariff outcomes to stabilize.
- Potential reduction in foreign tourism, with one source citing a ~10% drop in non-citizen arrivals in March and a Goldman Sachs worst-case scenario estimating a $90 billion GDP hit from reduced travel.
- Risk of reduced foreign capital inflows if geopolitical tensions (e.g., tariffs, border policies) discourage international investment or travel.
Real Estate Market Dynamics: Supply, Demand, and Dispersion
- Fundamental Market Shift: The market has moved from a supply-driven crisis (post-2008) to a demand-driven dispersion, where returns vary drastically by asset class and location.
- Supply Crunch:
- New development has effectively stalled due to interest rates moving ~500 basis points, making new projects "not pencil out."
- Multi-family and industrial supply are projected to drop 60% and 70% respectively; office development is nearly zero unless "build-to-suit."
- Forward-Looking Implication: The lack of new supply is expected to drive rent growth for "best-in-class" assets in the next 18 months, creating a "buy, not build" opportunity.
- Commoditization vs. Alpha: Pure commodity assets face existential challenges; value creation now requires "betting on the jockey" (operator expertise/branding) rather than just the asset.
- Example: A Miami office building leased 100% without a broker, jumping from $55 to $125 per square foot by targeting specific high-net-worth demographics.
- Hotel Sector: Barry notes that standard hotel brands are vulnerable ("do not buy a Marriott or Starwood"), while branded, niche concepts (e.g., Baccarat) trade at 150-170% of market value.
- Geographic Shift: Investors are increasingly favoring "Red States" (Texas, Florida, Tennessee) over "Blue States" (New York, California, Illinois) due to:
- Lower regulatory risks, no state income tax, and fiscal surpluses (e.g., Texas, Florida running $20 billion+ surpluses).
- Labor union costs and regulatory burdens in cities like NYC and Chicago are pricing out investment.
Asset Class-Specific Analysis: Winners, Risks, and Deals
- Most At-Risk Asset Classes:
- Industrial/Logistics (Port-Dependent): Andrew and Justin warn that facilities dependent on China-centric supply chains (e.g., L.A. ports) face high risk if trade shifts; small tenants lack the balance sheets to absorb tariffs.
- Hotels: Barry advises avoiding generic hotel portfolios due to resetting cash flows and economic headwinds; value lies only in distressed acquisitions for repositioning.
- Retail (Small Tenants): Smaller, non-credit-worthy retailers in community centers face existential threats from tariff pass-throughs and competition from supply chain masters (Walmart, Target).
- High-Conviction Opportunities:
- Data Centers: Described as the "fastest growing part of real estate" with a $4 billion pipeline of "powered land."
- Growth: Dulles, Virginia is the world's #1 market (8 gigawatts, surpassing Europe/Asia combined); major deals include Amazon's 433MW plant and Oracle's facilities.
- Exit Uncertainty: A wide yield spread exists (5.5% to 7.0%); hyperscalers are increasingly buying assets to protect IP, complicating traditional exit strategies.
- Barrier to Entry: Utilities are now charging massive fees ($3M for application, $60M upfront in Virginia), limiting the field to large funds.
- Senior Housing/Longevity Economy: Debra highlights 19% returns since 2000, with current deals offering >7% unlevered yields and low-to-mid teen IRRs driven by occupancy and rent growth, not cap rate expansion.
- Residential Lots: David notes a 4-5 million unit shortage in the U.S.; his firm recently closed a $700M portfolio of Texas lots, capitalizing on the inability of small builders to access capital.
- Mall Finance: Debra's firm has taken significant positions in mall finance, consolidating "footfalls" from failing properties into stronger regional anchors.
- Data Centers: Described as the "fastest growing part of real estate" with a $4 billion pipeline of "powered land."
- Recent Deal Activity:
- Texas Residential: $700M purchase of residential lots (horizontal development) across Texas, capitalizing on the housing shortage.
- Affordable Housing Credit: Andrew described a multi-billion dollar synthetic risk transfer deal helping banks reduce capital charges from 100% to 20% while earning 10-15% returns.
- Senior Living: $3B purchase of private-pay senior living assets, leveraging below replacement cost pricing and high pricing power.
- Mall Portfolio: Creation of a sizable position in "malls that are back," focusing on consolidating traffic from failing nearby properties.
Operational and Strategic Considerations
- Construction & Supply Chain Risks:
- Developers face "binary outcomes" where deals pencil out on paper but fail during execution due to missing components (e.g., compressors, specific materials) or labor shortages (potential impact of deportations).
- Rick Caruso noted stopping all projects due to supply chain fears; tariffs could exacerbate delays if components are unavailable.
- Financing Environment:
- Credit vs. Equity: Credit investors (Andrew, Justin) see more opportunity than equity buyers, particularly in structured deals that help banks clear commercial real estate exposure.
- Office Credit: While office equity is deemed oversold, panelists remain cautious on office debt and equity until market equilibrium is clearer.
- Leverage: Negative leverage is common in U.S. income assets (except senior housing), whereas Europe and Japan offer positive leverage opportunities.
- Data Center Specifics:
- Power Constraints: Utilities are shifting from passive providers to active gatekeepers, demanding upfront capital and guaranteeing power allocation only if construction proceeds.
- Technology Risk: Hyperscalers (Microsoft, Amazon, emerging AI firms like "Chat") have differing needs for power and cooling; market uncertainty exists regarding the exit yields for non-tier-1 AI tenants.
- Advice for Investors:
- Debra: Follow demand, pricing power, and below-replacement cost metrics religiously; avoid "core" asset definitions in favor of specialized sectors (Data, Longevity).
- David: Maintain an expansive perspective ("eye above the tree line"), learning from unrelated fields (e.g., space economy) to avoid myopia.
- Andrew: Stay disciplined and liquid; bet only when there is high conviction.
- Justin: Focus on granular rent rolls (housing) and avoid binary outcomes; monitor the threat of virtual gathering places replacing physical community utility.