Panel
Real Estate Outlook: A More Attractive Asset?
Milken InstituteErik Schatzker, Neil Bluhm, Robert Morse, Eyal Ofer, David Simon, Sam Zell, Bob Morris
Market Cycle Positioning
- Panelists broadly agree the real estate cycle is in its "11th inning" (late stage), characterized by unprecedented capital inflows and compressed yields.
- Sam Zell attributes the late cycle to a post-2009 construction vacuum, with a resurgence of new supply expected over the next 24 months leading to oversupply.
- David Simon describes a disconnect between buyers expecting price declines and sellers anchored in rear-view mirror pricing due to low historical interest rates.
- Neil Bloom notes that cap rates have risen approximately 50 basis points, though prime asset values remain resilient.
- Al Ofer warns that high asset values are unsustainable if interest rates or inflation rise further.
- Bob Morris highlights a bifurcation where public REITs trade at significant discounts (25–30% below private values) while private bidding remains aggressive for select assets.
- Neil Bloom observes a dramatic reduction in transaction volume, citing a drop from 30 serious buyers four years ago to "hoping somebody shows up" today.
- Sam Zell predicts a market correction but dismisses the likelihood of a "carnage" event comparable to the 1989–1993 bust, citing stricter underwriting and disciplined public companies.
Valuation and Price Discovery
- Bob Morris argues that private markets avoid price discovery, whereas public markets (REITs) are accurately pricing in late-cycle risks.
- David Simon estimates high-street retail rents in New York City may need to decline by 50% to correct artificial valuations driven by unattainable rents of $2,500 per square foot.
- Al Ofer identifies high-end office and residential real estate in coastal US markets and Hong Kong as the most overpriced asset classes globally.
- Neil Bloom attributes the valuation disconnect in New York to an "FAR ratio" (Floor Area Ratio) surge from $50 in 2000 to $1,500 in 2007.
- Bob Morris notes that while high-street retail in Paris held up, London is "on the verge of cracking," and New York has already "cracked."
- Sam Zell and David Simon agree that while some assets are expensive, real estate currently offers better relative value compared to equity markets and the S&P 500.
Sector-Specific Outlooks
- Multifamily: Sam Zell sees strong fundamentals with limited new Class B supply, though Neil Bloom notes a minor dip in downtown apartment occupancy (98% to 97%) and rent growth (4% to 2%).
- Office: Al Ofer points to a "tsunami" of new supply, specifically 14 million sq ft at Hudson Yards, 5 million at Brookfield, and 7 million FAR unbuilt by Vornado in NYC.
- Industrial: Neil Bloom questions the sustainability of current commitments, noting every developer assumes all new space will be leased to Amazon.
- Retail:
- David Simon states e-commerce has had "no impact" on overall retail demand, though it accelerates the obsolescence of "bad malls."
- Bob Morris confirms that e-commerce impact is already visible in high-street retail pricing corrections.
- Simon Property Group is actively redeveloping obsolete retail anchors (e.g., converting Belk in Buckhead, Atlanta into mixed-use office/hospitality).
- Construction: Neil Bloom predicts a slowdown in construction three to four years out due to rising inflation and steel costs making new development unprofitable.
- Seniors Housing: The panel identifies this niche, along with "live-work-play" mixed-use developments, as areas with strong fundamental tailwinds.
Technological Disruption
- Self-Driving Cars:
- David Simon and Neil Bloom predict reduced demand for parking, allowing developers to convert parking structures into office or residential space.
- Bob Morris counters that self-driving trucks are more economically viable and imminent than self-driving passenger cars due to driver shortages.
- Al Ofer argues self-driving cars could strengthen downtown areas by making commute easier, shifting demand toward walkable urban centers.
- Subway Usage: Neil Bloom reports a 5–8% decline in public transit usage (NYC, Chicago, SF) since the rise of Uber/Lyft, raising questions about future subway infrastructure investment.
- Workplace Efficiency: Technological advancements have reduced office space per employee from 200 sq ft to 100 sq ft, increasing the efficiency of existing stock.
Forward-Looking Statements and Opportunities
- Sam Zell predicts a "tsunami of supply" will eventually force a reckoning where demand cannot meet the volume of new construction.
- Al Ofer suggests that while public REITs are down, private capital remains eager to acquire distressed assets at a discount once a downturn occurs.
- Bob Morris forecasts a continued trend of privatization, citing transactions like Brookfield buying General Growth and Unibuy acquiring Westfield.
- Al Ofer highlights "manufactured housing" and modular technologies as potential cost-reducing opportunities.
- Neil Bloom projects that if the Fed tapers liquidity, lending spreads will widen, negatively impacting asset prices.
- Bob Morris notes that 42% of the US workforce will be freelance or independently employed within the next five to ten years, driving demand for collaborative living/working spaces.
- Al Ofer suggests that while the "bust" may not look like 1990, a cycle correction is inevitable due to the availability of capital and the "supply" mechanism.
- The panel concludes that the next major disruption will likely stem from the intersection of autonomous vehicles and public transportation infrastructure planning.