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Should we deliberately intervene in the climate? | Kelly Wanser (2021)

Organizational Mission & Context

  • Kelly Wenzel is the Executive Director of Silver Lining, the only non-profit globally focused exclusively on near-term climate risk and climate intervention research.
  • Silver Lining launched a research fund last year and actively lobbies for R&D funding in the U.S. and international cooperation frameworks.
  • The organization aims to ensure society has sufficient options to constrain or reduce warming if the Earth system becomes unstable.
  • Wenzel notes that current projections indicate at least 2°C of warming is already "baked in" even if Paris Agreement commitments are met, a level scientists consider potentially unsafe.

Current Climate Intervention Activity

  • Deliberate Weather Modification: Massive programs exist to increase precipitation, including a China program the size of Alaska targeting the Tibetan plateau.
  • U.S. Snowfall Enhancement: Colorado and California employ cloud seeding to increase snowpack, aiming to improve water tables and reduce drought.
  • International Precipitation Efforts: The UAE maintains a $400 million fund for rainmaking R&D; Indonesia has conducted rounds of offshore particle injection to induce rain and reduce flooding.
  • Great Barrier Reef Test: A small-scale test was conducted to explore mechanisms for brightening clouds to protect the reef from warming.
  • Accidental Cooling: Global particulate pollution (non-CO2) creates a natural cooling effect by brightening clouds, visible as ship tracks; this is currently estimated to offset a significant amount of warming unknowingly.
  • Historical Precedent: The 1930s-40s Great Plains Shelter Belt program successfully reversed desertification and altered regional climate conditions through tree planting.

Technical Approaches to Climate Intervention

  • Stratospheric Aerosol Injection:
    • Mechanism: Injecting particles (analogous to volcanic eruptions like Mt. Pinatubo) into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight.
    • Effectiveness: Scientists are confident in modeling the amount of sunlight reflection but face challenges regarding long-term atmospheric chemistry.
    • Key Risks: Potential for altered atmospheric circulation due to stratospheric heating; unknown impacts on the ozone layer.
    • Feasibility: High barrier to entry; requires aircraft capable of reaching ~20km altitude, global climate models, and supercomputers, making rogue deployment unlikely.
  • Marine Cloud Brightening:
    • Mechanism: Spraying salt particles into marine stratocumulus clouds to increase reflectivity and create cool zones.
    • Effectiveness: Magnitude of cooling is highly uncertain (uncertainty bars in IPCC reports exceed 1°C); may be small or large.
    • Duration: Effects last only days to a week, requiring continuous operation (e.g., ships misting clouds along routes).
    • Operational Cost: Estimated at tens of billions annually, though still marginal compared to climate disaster costs (e.g., Hurricane Michael at $80B, wildfires at $180B).

Debates and Objections

  • Moral Hazard: The primary objection is that researching interventions may reduce societal motivation to decarbonize; Wenzel argues this is unproven and that discussing risks could actually increase urgency.
  • Centralization of Power: Concerns exist that wealthy nations could manipulate the climate to their advantage, creating geopolitical disparities; Silver Lining advocates for open-access data and scientific cooperation to mitigate this.
  • Delayed Deployment: Critics like John Halstead argue research should wait 30–40 years until warming justifies the risk; Wenzel counters that a billion people face immediate displacement and suffering that warrants exploration of potential solutions now.
  • Termination Shock: The risk that stopping interventions abruptly (e.g., due to war or pandemic) causes temperatures to skyrocket; Wenzel views this as manageable with continuity planning.
  • Weaponization: Wenzel dismisses the likelihood of climate intervention becoming an effective weapon due to its slow, linear, and hard-to-target nature compared to nuclear or biological weapons.
  • Attribution Liability: Legal challenges exist regarding who is responsible for weather extremes if interventions are used; proposed solutions include collective compensation structures rather than specific attribution.

Governance and Public Perception

  • Naming and Framing: The term "geoengineering" carries negative baggage; Wenzel prefers "climate interventions" and focuses the narrative on "safety" and "loss of life" to gain bipartisan traction.
  • International Cooperation: Wenzel cites the Montreal Protocol as a successful model for science-based global agreement, contrasting it with recent UN failures to commission climate intervention reports due to political gridlock.
  • Public Acceptance: There is a paradox where people tolerate unintended negative side effects of profit-driven actions (e.g., pollution) but reject intentional actions aimed at "doing good."
  • Research Investment: The U.S. federal budget for all climate/weather research is approximately $2.6 billion, a level Wenzel describes as "irrational" given the scale of the problem.

Career and Future Path

  • Silver Lining Hiring: The organization is seeking senior communications professionals and legislative experts in the U.S., as well as senior research teams in atmospheric science.
  • Recommended Backgrounds: While atmospheric and climate science are central, the field benefits from interdisciplinary skills in engineering, systems analysis, and science policy.
  • Key Research Institutions: The National Center for Atmospheric Research, Pacific Northwest National Lab, UK Met Office (Hadley Centre), and Sorbonne University are identified as leaders in modeling and experimentation.
  • Upcoming Resources: Silver Lining is releasing a second edition of "Ensuring a Safe Climate" and a National Academies follow-up report is in the works.
  • Technology Trends: Wenzel highlights the potential return of blimps (non-flammable helium alternatives) for atmospheric monitoring and wireless networks.