Interview, Fireside Chat
Shreyas Doshi: The 6 Product Metrics You Need To Know; The 3 Types of Product Leader | E913
Product Management Definition
- Shreyas defines product management as the art, science, and practice of "making successful products," which entails two distinct phases:
- Creating a product from scratch to reach product-market fit.
- Scaling or turning around existing products that are poised for growth or require a turnaround.
- Product success is evaluated using three core pillars: user adoption, customer satisfaction, and business impact.
- Shreyas defines product management as the art, science, and practice of "making successful products," which entails two distinct phases:
Metric Frameworks and Categories
- Shreyas categorizes product metrics into six distinct groups rather than relying on a single "North Star":
- Adoption Metrics: Focus on user growth, retention, or new signups; however, adoption is an output, not an input.
- Usage Metrics: Measure specific user actions (e.g., tasks created) that drive adoption.
- Health Metrics: Hygiene indicators like latency, load time, and error rates that ensure the product performs as expected.
- Satisfaction Metrics: Direct feedback on user contentment.
- Ecosystem Metrics: Measures of platform or partner health.
- Outcome Metrics: Business-level results derived from the product.
- North Star Metric Misconception:
- The concept is often misunderstood as a "panacea"; perfection is not required early on.
- Early-stage founders should prioritize measurable metrics that generally work over complex, immeasurable "perfect" metrics.
- Qualitative feedback (e.g., direct user emails) provides more signal than quantitative dashboards for early-stage products.
- Founder Responsibility:
- The founder/CEO is ultimately responsible for defining the North Star metric and product strategy, even if they delegate execution to a CPO or VP of Product.
- Delegating this responsibility is only advisable if the founder is competent; otherwise, deep involvement is necessary regardless of skill level.
- Shreyas categorizes product metrics into six distinct groups rather than relying on a single "North Star":
Three Product Leader Personas
- The Operator:
- Superpower: Communication, cross-organizational alignment, and unblocking execution at scale.
- Weakness: Lacks original product insight; struggles to bring a product to market fit from zero.
- Ideal Timing: Required post-product-market fit when scaling becomes complex and cross-functional alignment is critical.
- Risk: Hiring an operator too early can lead to "operating" on a product that hasn't found fit, as they cannot generate the necessary original insights.
- The Craftsperson:
- Superpower: Translating ambiguous visions into concrete product details (UX, flows, pixels) and mentoring teams.
- Weakness: Dislikes the "taxes" of large organizations, such as excessive meetings and cross-functional bureaucracy.
- Ideal Timing: The default choice for early-stage startups pre-PMF or near PMF.
- Scaling Friction: As teams grow beyond 20-50 people, the need for constant "repeating" of vision to new hires becomes a burden for craftspersons who prefer deep product work.
- The Visionary:
- Superpower: Big-picture thinking and the ability to see where the world is headed; extremely rare.
- Weakness: Difficulty translating high-level vision into concrete next steps without a craftsperson.
- Differentiation: Competent visionaries are defined by being "right a lot" regarding market direction, not just following processes.
- Founder Role: Founders often act as visionaries; they pair well with craftspersons to execute the vision.
- Archetype Fluidity:
- Senior leaders can wear multiple hats, but they have a primary preference.
- John Collison (Stripe) is identified as an operator who can also excel as a visionary and craftsperson, while Patrick Collison is a visionary/craftsperson.
- The Operator:
Strategic Decision Frameworks
- Listening to Customer Feedback:
- Strategy should drive decisions on when to listen to customers versus when to ignore requests.
- Blindly following customer requests can lead to a "commodity" product that lacks differentiation.
- BTD Framework (Below, Table Stakes, Differentiation):
- Leaders must intentionally decide which features to build:
- B (Below Table Stakes): Accept lower quality in non-core areas to focus resources elsewhere.
- T (Table Stakes): Meet basic industry standards where expected.
- D (Differentiation): Build significantly beyond expectations in areas that matter to the target segment.
- Investment Preference: Prefers companies that target specific customer segments dissatisfied by incumbents and build "Above Table Stakes" features for that niche, accepting "Below Table Stakes" elsewhere.
- Leaders must intentionally decide which features to build:
- Time to Value (TTV) Strategy:
- TTV expectations depend on the strength of the core customer motivation.
- High Motivation/Mandate Products: Can afford long TTV (e.g., Workday, NetSuite) because the "mandate" is established by executive decision, and credibility is already high.
- Low Motivation/Consumer Products: Require immediate value demonstration to overcome high competition and alternatives.
- Listening to Customer Feedback:
Investing and Hiring Advice
- Angel Investing Focus:
- The product idea is a necessity but not a sufficient condition for investment.
- The primary criteria for investing and advising are: "Is this person among the most capable humans I have ever encountered?" and can they build a top-notch team?
- Common Hiring Mistakes:
- Founders often over-emphasize resume pedigree (company names/titles) rather than assessing intuition and instinct during interviews.
- This leads to regrettable hires 6–12 months later.
- New Product Leader Advice:
- Prioritize understanding the customer and domain deeply before trying to generate value immediately.
- Avoid pressure to deliver results in the first 30–60 days; focus on the long game.
- Build strong relationships with the team and cross-functional partners from day one.
- Angel Investing Focus:
Self-Reflection and External Examples
- Strengths/Weaknesses: Shreyas identifies his biggest strength as product sense (being right about what works) and his biggest weakness as communicating team progress to the broader organization.
- Recent Impressive Strategy: LeadSchool (India), a K-12 education company, is highlighted for using curriculum, technology, and operations to bring high-quality education to smaller towns, aiming for parity regardless of geography.