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What people most often ask 80,000 Hours' career advisors | Michelle Hutchinson (2020)

  • Mission and Scope of 80,000 Hours Advising

    • The primary goal is to help individuals secure the most impactful career possible, rather than merely "finding a job" or "doing good."
    • Advising differs from written content by offering personalized encouragement, reframing options, and acting as a sounding board for complex decisions.
    • The process typically involves a 30-minute to 1-hour call, preceded by application forms designed to help users clarify their key uncertainties and skill sets beforehand.
    • Michelle Hutchinson, the Head of Advising, has a background in moral philosophy (PhD, Oxford) and previously worked at the Center for Effective Altruism and the Global Priorities Institute.
  • Common Behavioral Patterns and Misconceptions

    • Underconfidence: Many advisees are too risk-averse and fail to apply for competitive roles due to a fear of rejection, despite being well-qualified.
      • Recommendation: Apply widely to a mix of competitive "stretch" options and backup "safe" options to avoid anchoring on the first offer received.
      • Strategy: Suggest applying to jobs one does not want first to desensitize oneself to the application process.
    • Interpersonal Comparison: Advisees often feel dissatisfied by comparing their absolute impact to the most impressive people they know.
      • Insight: This comparison is often flawed because it ignores unobserved traits (e.g., specific education, background) and focuses on malleable vs. non-malleable traits.
      • Advice: Focus on the absolute amount of good being done (e.g., donating 10% of median income can save lives) rather than relative standing.
    • Narrow Option Sets: People frequently rule out paths they haven't researched or assume only a few specific "priority paths" (e.g., AI safety, biosecurity) are viable.
      • Fact: 80,000 Hours has introduced "niche paths" and expanded its job board to include over 500 vacancies across diverse areas to combat this tunnel vision.
      • Example: A doctor considering public health might be guided toward biosecurity; a math student might discover they prefer AI technical safety over global priorities research.
    • Impact Disparity: There is often a massive disparity in impact between different career choices within the same cause area (e.g., late-stage AIDS treatment vs. entry-level antiretrovirals).
      • Framing Shift: Advises users to rank options by potential impact first, then determine personal fit, rather than starting with personal preferences.
  • Decision-Making Strategies and Risks

    • Long-term Trajectory: People often focus on the immediate next step rather than a 10–20 year career arc.
      • Risk: Taking a "safe" job (e.g., general consulting) that doesn't provide specific skills for the user's desired long-term impact area.
      • Solution: Map out long-term goals first to select intermediate steps that build relevant experience.
    • Passion vs. Impact: Users often rule out high-impact roles because they lack immediate passion, despite the fact that passion is hard to introspect without trying.
      • Strategy: Test specific roles through research, networking, or short-term projects before ruling them out.
    • Risk Management: Risk aversion is often disproportionate to actual financial or career resilience.
      • Observation: Many people fail to recognize their "Plan Z" (fallback options) or overestimate the stigma of taking a step back in a career.
      • Advice: Explicitly assess backup plans to reduce anxiety; career setbacks are often less visible and impactful on a CV than assumed if the narrative is clear.
    • Geographic Constraints: Users often underestimate the value of being locationally flexible.
      • Data: Advising is most effective for those in hubs like SF, DC, London, or Oxford, or those willing to move.
      • Correction: Many users overestimate the difficulty of relocating and underestimate the community support available in new locations.
  • Operational Details and Limitations

    • Capacity: The team (currently 2-3 advisors) can only advise roughly 10–20% of applicants due to high demand and finite resources.
    • Referral Criteria: The program prioritizes individuals who:
      • Broadly share the effective altruism worldview and care about prioritizing pressing problems.
      • Are not already deeply embedded in the EA community (as they likely already know the roles and people).
      • Are not locationally constrained to obscure areas where the team has no network.
    • Feedback Loop: Approximately 65% of advisees rate the service 6 or 7 out of 7, though some desire more concrete job lists or less abstract discussion.
    • Growth Strategy: 80,000 Hours prioritizes slow, careful hiring to maintain team culture and focus, rather than scaling the advising team rapidly.
  • Outliers and Lessons Learned

    • Bad Advice: Michelle once advised a potential charity founder to wait and gain experience; the user started the charity anyway and succeeded rapidly due to external mentorship.
    • Success Stories:
      • Jacob Hilton: Moved from quant trading to AI safety at OpenAI after realizing he could have more impact there, using his employer to learn relevant skills first.
      • Sophie (Human Biology): Transitioned from medicine/law considerations to testing diverse impact areas (lab research, copywriting) before committing.
      • Ollie (Biotech PhD): Systematically evaluated biotech career paths (academia vs. industry vs. policy) and sequenced them to avoid CV gaps.
    • Maternity Leave: Michelle is currently on maternity leave, noting that "outlook forecasting" often fails to predict whether work-life balance shifts; she found that returning to work was less daunting than predicted when connecting with similar reference classes.
  • Resources and Calls to Action

    • Job Board: Over 500 roles listed, including a recent focus on biosecurity and pandemic preparedness curated by experts.
    • Advising Access: Users can join the waitlist at 80000hours.org/advising.
    • Alternative Actions: For those not selected, the recommendation is to self-advise using the site's career guides, expand option sets, and talk to people already in the desired fields.
    • Networking: Users are encouraged to reach out to experts for informational interviews, ensuring emails are concise and specific to increase success rates.