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Camille Fournier on Managing Technical Teams

The State of Management in Tech

  • Many individual contributors (ICs) never experience effective managers due to a historical industry sentiment (circa 2010–2011) that viewed management as bureaucratic overhead.
  • This "anti-management" ideology in startups incorrectly attributed success to simply hiring smart people and removing hierarchy, ignoring the need for coordination as teams scale.
  • Camille Fournier argues that management is a distinct technical discipline requiring specific skills rather than a generic administrative role.
  • Effective management becomes critical when teams grow large enough to require coordination beyond "joined at the hip" communication.

The First 90 Days of Management

  • New managers must establish weekly or bi-weekly one-on-one meetings to create a structured, safe space for employees to raise issues before they become crises.
  • Managers should treat one-on-ones as protected time where they respect the employee's schedule, encouraging open dialogue about career pathing, benefits, and interpersonal conflicts.
  • Building "psychological safety" requires managers to model vulnerability and treat employees as human beings, which reduces competition and encourages admission of mistakes.
  • Teams should be transitioned from "parallel play" (individuals working in isolation) to a cohesive unit through regular team meetings that discuss project status and foster shared identity.
  • In remote or distributed settings, managers should institute virtual rituals (e.g., non-work "afternoon tea" on Zoom) to replicate water-cooler interactions and build comradery.
  • Teams spanning multiple time zones require strict overlap rules; forcing employees to work unsociable hours (e.g., 2:00 AM) is counterproductive.

Common Rookie Manager Mistakes

  • Writing code to solve team problems: Managers should avoid jumping in to code when deadlines are missed; instead, they should analyze planning failures and remove blockers (e.g., acquiring assets, downscoping).
  • Dealing with code: While staying slightly hands-on in the first two years is acceptable for small teams, defaulting to coding as a management strategy rarely works for mature teams.
  • Ignoring interpersonal issues: Managers must proactively address conflicts rather than letting them fester; approaches include mediation, role changes, or termination.
  • Firing toxic individuals: Removing a negative, draining employee—even a high performer—often yields a shocking, positive impact on overall team productivity and morale.
  • Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs): PIPs are unsuitable for personality clashes or fundamental attitude issues; they are designed for specific, measurable performance gaps.

Career Trajectory and Technical Credibility

  • Engineers should not force themselves into management if they are unhappy after six months to a year, as most modern companies offer a separate Senior/Principal IC track.
  • Side projects are valuable for learning but risk leaders developing false confidence in technologies they cannot scale compared to production environments.
  • Non-engineers running engineering teams often fail due to a lack of technical credibility and the inefficiency of "management telephone" (translating between technical and business teams).
  • To maintain technical legitimacy, non-IC managers must stay current through peer networks, reading design docs, and asking insightful questions about system architecture.
  • Management is a subset of leadership; successful managers require execution skills, strategic vision, and interpersonal charisma, whereas leadership can exist in any single area.
  • Leadership is defined by the ability to provide clarity in ambiguity, simplify complex problems, and build trust, not just by holding authority.

Team Cohesion and Hiring

  • Teams fail to "gel" primarily due to values mismatches (e.g., independent hackers vs. collaborative process-driven teams) rather than technical skills.
  • Hiring processes should screen for cultural fit and specific working styles, though standardized technical interviews often fail to distinguish between "hackers" and "reliability wonks."
  • Trial periods are ideal for testing fit but are difficult to implement in a competitive labor market; companies should instead focus on internal mobility to find the right role for misfit candidates.
  • Recognition should be specific, public when appropriate, and encouraged among peers (e.g., "kudos" rounds) rather than solely coming from the manager.

Future Releases

  • Camille Fournier is editing the upcoming book 97 Things Every Engineering Manager Should Know, published by O'Reilly.
  • The book is scheduled for release in the fall or early winter timeframe.