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Credit Is a Cycle: Finding Opportunity in Turmoil

  • Panel Consensus on Credit Cycle Position:

    • Don Mullen and Justin Slack characterize the current environment as the "beginning" of a new distress credit cycle, distinct from previous cycles due to extraordinary fiscal and monetary stimulus.
    • Glenn August disputes the notion that the cycle has just begun, arguing that liquid credit markets (high yield at 5%, loans at 5.5-6%) are fairly to slightly overvalued and that the equity/credit markets are signaling confidence in a recovery.
    • Amy McGarrity agrees with the sentiment that security selection is currently more critical than sector selection, though she notes significant risks remain in specific sectors like airlines and supply chains.
    • All panelists agree that the post-stimulus era has delayed defaults but not eliminated them, with elevated default rates expected over the coming quarters.
  • Market Structure and Systemic Risk Comparisons (2008 vs. Today):

    • 2008 Systemic Trigger: Forced selling occurred because bank loans and high yield were heavily traded via mark-to-market total return swaps and margin calls.
    • 2020/2021 Systemic Shield: Bank loan debt is largely housed in Collateralized Loan Obligations (CLOs) which do not have mark-to-market provisions; consequently, there were no forced margin calls when Lehman Brothers collapsed.
    • Underwriting Degradation: A decade of demand for floating-rate products drove down underwriting standards, leading to poor quality assets in CLOs similar to the subprime mortgage structure of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC).
    • Corporate Leverage: While 2008 featured high leverage in trading books, today's leverage is higher on the corporate balance sheet due to companies prioritizing liquidity over leverage ratios during the pandemic.
  • Specific Data Points and Market Metrics:

    • High yield issuance reached a record $350 billion year-to-date, compared to $270 billion in the prior year.
    • Current default rates stand at 6% (up from 2.2% over the last five years), with 45% in oil and gas and 6% in retail.
    • Investment Grade (IG) market composition has shifted: 57% of high yield is now BBB-rated (up from 40% in 2008), and over 50% of the IG market is BBB, with $320 billion of "low BBB" debt (up from $160 billion).
    • CLO investment criteria are described as "robotic," investing in lower-quality assets in a way that mimics the diversification myths of pre-GFC subprime mortgages.
  • Investment Strategies and Return Expectations:

    • Nimbleness vs. Scale Debate:
      • Don Mullen and Justin Slack argue that mid-sized, nimble managers are better positioned to find alpha in small-to-mid cap distressed opportunities and "orphaned" companies that are too small for large funds.
      • Glenn August counters that scale and capital size are critical for driving bankruptcy processes, controlling outcomes, and providing the liquidity required for large rescue financings and private equity deal support.
      • Amy McGarrity notes that Colorado PERS manages assets in-house to maintain agility but also allocates to opportunistic managers during dislocations, prioritizing trust in process over size.
    • Private Credit and Rescue Financing:
      • Glenn August identifies private credit rescue financing as a key opportunity, targeting 8-12% unlevered returns, with rates compressing from 12-14% in early 2020 to around 10% currently.
      • Mullen predicts net returns in residential distress in the high teens to low 20s, and commercial real estate distress could yield mid-20s returns.
      • Slack suggests convertibles are a viable vehicle for achieving double-digit returns due to the technology sector focus and debt-like downside protection.
    • Return Targets:
      • Amy McGarrity maintains a long-term strategic return target of 7.25% for the 30-year period, relying on opportunistic sleeves to compensate for lower core fixed income returns.
      • The panel agrees that traditional liquid fixed income yields are insufficient to meet long-term liability-driven investment goals without taking on opportunistic risk.
  • Sector-Specific Dislocations and Outlook:

    • Commercial Real Estate (CRE): Glenn August and Don Mullen foresee significant distress in hotels, retail, and entertainment venues due to secular decline combined with pandemic impacts; they view the market as "early" in the downturn.
    • Residential Mortgage: Mullen notes a unique dichotomy where delinquencies are at GFC levels, yet home equity is at record highs (2-3x the GFC levels), mitigating the likelihood of a massive downward spiral in home prices.
    • Sector Dispersion: The crisis has created a split within sectors (e.g., resilient retailers vs. collapsing ones), making security selection the primary driver of returns rather than broad sector avoidance.
    • Unknowns: Slack and others highlight that the medium-term impact of massive stimulus on inflation and interest rates remains unknown, creating a volatility environment that favors liquid, flexible positions.
  • Forward-Looking Statements and Decisions:

    • Distress Timing: Mullen and Slack expect significant default cycles and distressed opportunities over the next 12-24 months, driven by the unwinding of pandemic-era debt structures.
    • Liquidity Constraints: Slack warns that long-duration, illiquid private debt is risky given the unknown macroeconomic variables (unemployment, inflation) and prefers liquid vehicles that allow for rapid reallocation.
    • Capital Allocation: McGarrity plans to increase allocations to opportunistic managers and real asset lending to generate returns that outpace the low-yield core portfolio.
    • Market Evolution: The panel anticipates a shift toward customized, direct private credit transactions and away from traditional bank loan syndications for large deals.
    • Stimulus Limitations: Mullen asserts that fiscal and monetary stimulus will not resolve distress in sectors requiring consumer/business confidence (travel, hospitality, entertainment), predicting a massive restructuring in these areas.