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E11: Election Night Special featuring Phil Hellmuth, Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner & more!
All-In PodcastPhil Hellmuth, Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, Chamath, Michael Newman, Jon Cohen, Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Jason Calacanis, David Friedberg, David Sacks
Election Night Dynamics and Market Reversal
- Betting Market Flip: Betting odds shifted violently within hours, moving from Biden being a 5-to-2 favorite three months prior to Donald Trump becoming a 3-to-1 favorite late in the night.
- Trump moved from -1.25 (favorite) to +600 (underdog) briefly before flipping to minus 600 (heavy favorite) on Bovada.
- Phil Hellmuth notes betting markets have been in Biden's favor for three straight months before the sudden reversal.
- Market Reaction: Financial markets rallied significantly on expectations of a Trump victory or a divided government, pricing in stability and lower tax risk.
- NASDAQ futures rose 350 basis points; S&P 500 futures fell initially then reversed to rise.
- The US Dollar strengthened ("rippes"), Treasury yields fell, and the Euro/Dollar pair dropped sharply, indicating pro-Trump sentiment.
- Investors reacted positively to the potential for corporate tax cuts to remain in place, avoiding a "blue wave" mandate for tax reform.
- Media vs. Data Discrepancy: Major news networks (CNN, NBC) initially projected Biden leads that contradicted real-time betting markets and early reporting data.
- The host notes networks are "useless" for real-time analysis, with CNN still showing Biden ahead even as markets priced in a Trump win.
- Fox News called Florida for Trump early, while the New York Times initially showed Trump at 95% to lose Florida before correcting.
State-by-State Analysis and Critical Path to Victory
- Florida: Projected as a secure win for Trump; a "home free" state that was removed from the path to victory for Biden.
- Biden lost the state by roughly 300,000 to 400,000 votes, driven by retiree turnout and tax concerns.
- Early vote counting (dumped in a pile) favored Democrats, but election-day voting shifted the lead heavily to Trump.
- Ohio: Trump won decisively after an early "blue mirage" of Democratic gains due to mail-in ballots; Biden's early lead evaporated as election-day counts came in.
- Final tallies showed Trump with ~2.4 million votes to Biden's 2.2 million.
- North Carolina: Extremely close race with Trump leading by a narrow margin (approx. 1,000 to 10,000 votes depending on the source/time) with ~63% to 95% of precincts reporting.
- A margin of less than 1% would trigger an automatic recount.
- Trump holds the state in most real-time data, though some early reports showed Biden ahead by 9,000 votes.
- Pennsylvania: The most critical swing state, with Trump leading by ~370,000 votes with only 12% of mail-in ballots counted.
- 2.2 million mail-in ballots remain outstanding; Philadelphia alone has 1,706 precincts with 95% not yet reporting.
- If historical Democratic margins in Philadelphia and suburbs hold, Biden could recover the 500,000+ vote deficit.
- Michigan and Wisconsin are similarly delayed due to rules requiring mail-in ballot tabulation to begin only after polls close.
- Michigan & Wisconsin: Trump leading in early counts (55-44 in Michigan, 51-47 in Wisconsin) due to the count of election-day votes in rural/suburban areas; major urban centers (Detroit, Milwaukee) have not yet reported.
- Reports indicate Detroit and Milwaukee will not release tallies until the following morning, leaving these states "up in the air."
- Arizona: Initially called for Biden by Fox News and others, but the margin is tight with significant mail-in ballots still to be counted.
- 76% of votes reported; Trump performs better on election-day votes, creating uncertainty until all in-person votes are tallied.
- Georgia: A statistical dead heat with Trump leading slightly, but 400,000+ votes outstanding in Atlanta and suburbs.
- DeKalb, Fulton, and Cobb counties (pro-Democrat) are at varying reporting stages (31%, 58%, 70%); if these trend 70-80% Biden, it could swing the state.
- Runoff election required for the Senate seat between Warnock and Loeffler if neither wins 50%.
Voting Trends, Pollster Failures, and Demographic Shifts
- Pollster Failure: Pollsters and media outlets significantly underestimated Trump's support, failing to capture the "shy Trump voter" or the shift in key demographics.
- SurveyMonkey data indicates a failure to adjust sufficiently for education levels and a misunderstanding of the post-graduate vs. college-grad divide.
- David Sacks and others note that Trump's "cult of personality" and fanatical base mobilized in ways polls missed.
- Lockdowns as a Primary Issue: The enforcement of COVID-19 lockdowns is identified as a major driver of Trump's performance in the Rust Belt.
- Voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania cited economic hardship from lockdowns as a primary reason for supporting Trump.
- SurveyMonkey data shows a split where Trump supporters view the crisis as financial, while the general public views it as health-related.
- Demographic Diversification: Trump's coalition proved more diverse than the "white, working-class male" narrative suggested.
- Stronger-than-expected support among Black men, Hispanic men, and Cuban-Americans in Florida.
- The "woke left" and identity politics are described as alienating voters in the Midwest and rural areas.
- Cancel Culture and Censorship: Allegations of censorship by tech companies (Twitter, Facebook) regarding the New York Post story and other critical content fueled a vote against "coastal elites."
- Brad Gerstner and others argue voters are rejecting the "sanctimony" of urban elites who dismiss rural concerns.
Future Outlook and Potential Scenarios
- Scenario 1 (Landslide Biden): Ruled out; not happening.
- Scenario 2 (Trump Landslide): Possible but unlikely given the tightness in swing states.
- Scenario 3 (Soft Landing): Most likely scenario discussed; Biden wins the presidency, but Republicans retain the Senate.
- This outcome creates gridlock, preventing radical policy changes but stabilizing the economy.
- Markets are pricing in this outcome as a "risk-off" event that resolves uncertainty without a "blue wave."
- Scenario 4 (The "Shit Show"): A contested election with no clear winner for days or weeks.
- Trump has already tweeted of a "big win," raising the risk of legal battles if the final count favors Biden.
- Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are likely to require recounting, potentially extending results until late November or early December.
- California Ballot Initiatives:
- Prop 22 (gig worker classification) appears set to pass, creating a "third way" between W-2 employment and independent contracting.
- Prop 15 (commercial property tax increase) is projected to fail.
- San Francisco city-level initiatives are described as "disasters," with all passing measures viewed negatively by business leaders.
Senate and Governor Races
- Senate Outlook: Leans Republican with key wins in Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina.
- Michigan and Montana are in danger for Democrats.
- A Republican Senate would force compromise on legislation, preventing a "radical left" agenda.
- Governor Races: Lindsey Graham won in South Carolina; Susan Collins held her seat in Maine.
- Hickenlooper: Won re-election in Colorado.
Quotes and Key Observations
- On Pollsters: "The pollsters were miles off on this... they didn't understand the Latin, or I guess Latinx... Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, these are different countries."
- On Lockdowns: "Lockdowns is the biggest reason why [Trump wins the Rust Belt]... it hurts people... it's the only reason why Michigan and Wisconsin would ever be in play."
- On the Economy: "If Trump wins or Republicans hold the Senate... the market is voting on the fact that corporate taxes are not going to go up."
- On the "Soft Landing": "Scenario three is starting to look very possible: a Biden president and a Republican Senate... you can sleep soundly with that."
- On Biden's Character: "If Biden wins... the radical left gets a big rebuke... we have basically divided government in Washington... the temperature would go down."
- On Censorship: "Twitter doubled down on censorship after the hearing... Jack Dorsey will become the poster child for this new censorship."