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Interview, Fireside Chat

OpenClaw Creator: Why 80% Of Apps Will Disappear

  • Predictions and Expectations:

    • Peter Steinberger expects 80% of apps to disappear because agents can manage data and tasks (like fitness tracking or reminders) more naturally than standalone apps.
    • He predicts that apps with sensors are the only ones likely to survive the transition to agent-based computing.
    • He believes that large model companies will eventually face commoditization and that their moat may weaken as users expect performance standards to rise while model quality stabilizes.
    • He foresees that for quite a while, every time a new model is released, the current standard will degrade in user perception as expectations shift.
    • He fears that user memories stored in centralized silos (like ChatGPT) cannot be easily extracted or transferred to other services.
  • Timelines and Milestones:

    • He expects the industry to move toward open-source models matching current models from a year ago within the "foreseeable future."
    • He predicts that within a year, users will complain about current open-source models in the same way they now complain about models that are only average relative to the newest releases.
    • He anticipates that the shift from human-to-bot to bot-to-bot and bot-to-human interactions is on the timeline "now," though he admits it is "so early" that many things remain unfigured out.
    • He notes that his initial prototype for the core functionality took "one hour" to build, with the image generation feature taking "another few hours."
  • Technology and Product Direction:

    • He plans for OpenClaw to continue utilizing local machine access to control devices like ovens, Teslas, lights, and beds, a capability he expects cloud-only assistants cannot match.
    • He believes the future value will reside in the user owning their own memory (stored as markdown files) rather than in the models themselves.
    • He intends to keep the "soul.md" file non-open source to preserve specific core values and interaction styles, even as other components evolve.
    • He expects that bots will eventually hire humans to perform tasks in the real world (IRL) when human interaction is more efficient or when bots cannot navigate legacy systems.
    • He predicts that agents will eventually remove the need for specific apps by automating data management, such as automatically tracking meals or adjusting gym schedules.
    • He believes that coding models are becoming skilled at creative problem-solving, which translates to solving real-world tasks like finding hidden files or converting audio formats without explicit instructions.
  • Market and Industry Outlook:

    • He expects the market to shift from centralized "God intelligence" to "swarm intelligence" and "community intelligence," drawing parallels to how specialized human societies function.
    • He anticipates that model companies will lose their moat as new models emerge and users adapt to higher standards, potentially devaluing the "average" performance of current models.
    • He believes that the value of AI will shift toward the user's data store and memory, as models become swappable and commoditized.
    • He fears that if agents learn to interact with personal data, users might reveal sensitive information (like memory files) to their AI, similar to how they reveal search history.
  • Company Plans:

    • He plans to build templates based on his own "soul" files to allow others to install OpenClaw, having previously created rough templates that Codex refined.
    • He intends to avoid implementing MCP (Model Context Protocol) support directly, instead preferring to use existing CLIs and his own tool to convert MCPs to CLIs on the fly.
    • He expects that users will prefer CLI-based interactions and simple text syncing over complex UIs to minimize cognitive load.
    • He plans to keep the main branch of the repository always shippable by using multiple copies of the repository rather than work trees.
  • Financial Guidance:

    • (No financial guidance or specific revenue targets found in the transcript.)
  • Risks and Caveats:

    • He admits he is "not sure" if bot-to-bot or multi-bot specialist interactions will actually work as expected, noting that the field is "so early."
    • He notes that while the system worked in Marrakech with poor internet, text-based operations are generally reliable, but he warns that image generation and file handling may depend on internet connectivity.
    • He fears that the model's "magic" in solving problems might rely on finding hidden files or keys (like an OpenAI key found on a disk) that could be unpredictable or fragile.
    • He caveats that his own "soul.md" file, which contains core values, is not open source and has not been corrected by the community despite public exposure.
  • Confidence and Disagreement:

    • He expresses high confidence that running AI locally is "way more powerful" than cloud-based alternatives because the machine can do "every effing thing" a human can do.
    • He is not sure about the specific mechanics of how multiple specialized bots (private, work, relationship) will interact or function effectively.
    • He strongly disagrees with the industry standard of using work trees or UIs, believing that multiple repository checkouts and terminal windows offer less complexity and friction.
    • He believes that the "soul.md" file he kept secret is what makes his agent "funny" and "pleasant" compared to newer, "boring" bots.