Conference Presentation, Panel
Retrospective: Lessons Learned from Leading Investors
Milken InstituteScarlet Fu, David Bonderman, William Ford, Joshua Friedman, Emmanuel Roman, Steven Tananbaum, Steve Tannenbaum, Bill Ford
Market Context & Comparisons
- Secular Rate Shifts: The current environment follows a 30-year secular decline in interest rates, driving asset values to historic highs in equity multiples, real estate cap rates, and bond yields.
- Josh Friedman's View: The period is "sui generis" (unique); while tax reform and deregulation offer a potential equity catalyst, the structural absence of investment banks as market makers (compared to 1990) creates risks of forced selling and radical price adjustments.
- David Bonderman's View: The era mirrors the industrial age regarding tech disruption (Internet); the last five years represent the lowest interest rates in 314 years of Bank of England data, signaling an unsustainable low-rate environment overlaying an eight-year post-war appreciation cycle.
- Steve Tannenbaum's View: The market is currently complacent with low volatility and compressed spreads between high and low-quality credits; rising rates will force managers to re-rank portfolios, creating opportunities.
- Manny Roman's View: Quantitative easing has driven rates to unsustainable levels; lower rates have inflated asset prices, necessitating lower expected returns across nearly all asset classes.
Investment Misses & Lessons Learned
- Renaissance Broadcasting (Steve Tannenbaum): An early missed IPO catalyst taught the lesson to proactively drive value creation in good assets; subsequent success came from purchasing a CLO portfolio at pennies on the dollar and breaking it up.
- White Rabbit (Da Bai Tu) (David Bonderman): A 1995 China deal failed due to management theft; the lesson was that "China is different," requiring deep forensic due diligence on local operations.
- 2008 Subprime Strategy (Josh Friedman): While profitable on the short side, the firm underestimated counterparty fragility and basis risk in hedges (credit default swaps); the lesson was to prioritize market structure and liquidity risk (e.g., avoiding assets held by mutual funds with daily liquidity) alongside credit research.
- Lehman Brothers (Manny Roman): Incorrectly assumed zero net exposure between US parent and London subsidiary; the lesson was to assume counterparty failure is possible and cut relationships drastically to survive bankruptcy complexities.
- Facebook (Bill Ford): Sold shares roughly a year post-IPO, missing ~40% of the internal rate of return (IRR) and $500–$600 million in gains; the lesson was to maintain "courage of conviction" regarding the massive scale of mobile monetization.
Sector Analysis: Retail, Energy, & Tech
- Retail Outlook: The sector faces irreversible disruption from e-commerce; department stores selling third-party brands are most vulnerable, while companies owning strong brands and robust digital strategies (e.g., Tory Burch, J.Crew) can adapt.
- Energy Sector Dynamics: The rise of fracking flattened the supply curve, creating a normal market dynamic; opportunities exist in debt of efficient companies that survived the painful transition to lower costs.
- Technology Disruption: Tech is redefining all sectors; the CoStar and Yellow Pages parables illustrate how rapid information shifts can render once-monopoly businesses obsolete for those unable to adapt.
- Financial Services Evolution: Trading has shifted from physical floors to micro-second algorithmic execution; asset managers face pressure to digitize client interactions (robo-advisors) and invest in R&D.
Valuations, M&A, & Capital Allocation
- Valuation Concerns: US equity valuations are extended; General Atlantic is maintaining a "hold fire" stance on new investments but remains aggressive on exits to capitalize on favorable conditions.
- M&A Strategy: Josh Friedman sees opportunities in merger-related debt (e.g., investment-grade acquirers of non-investment-grade targets) due to widened spreads from antitrust uncertainty; David Bonderman views the current environment as idiosyncratic rather than sector-driven, advising caution.
- Cash Positions: Tannenbaum and General Atlantic are holding significant cash reserves ("dry powder") to wait for better entry points, believing the current cycle is in its eighth year with low dispersion.
Passive vs. Active Investing
- Fixed Income Outperformance: PIMCO data indicates 65% of fixed income managers have beaten benchmarks over the last decade, contrasting with equity underperformance.
- Reasons for Active Success in Bonds: The market includes non-economic actors (central banks, insurers), high instrument biodiversity, high turnover costs for passive replication, and the need for complex covenant litigation and negotiation.
- Private Equity Edge: David Bonderman argues private equity outperforms due to the ability to drive operational changes, hold long durations (7–10 years), and avoid forced sales, making it the highest-yielding asset class over the last 30 years.
Policy & Political Outlook
- Trump Administration Risks: Panelists express caution regarding skyrocketing US debt but believe markets will ignore debt until rates rise significantly.
- Tax Reform: Potential cuts to corporate tax rates are viewed as positive, but skepticism exists that a comprehensive reform bill will pass; Bonderman suggests "the perfect is the enemy of the good."
- Leverage Deductions: If the ability to deduct interest expenses for private equity is removed, it would negatively impact the business model, though Tannenbaum doubts the measure will be enacted.
- Unsolicted Advice to Treasury:
- Manny Roman: Look beyond monetary policy to structural issues like infrastructure (CapEx) and labor markets.
- David Bonderman: Focus on achievable incremental reforms rather than perfect ones.
- Bill Ford & Josh Friedman: Reduce regulatory burdens on small business to stimulate innovation and maintain bipartisan cooperation.