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The Powerful Alternative To Fine-Tuning

  • Poetic's Core Technology

    • Builds recursively self-improving AI reasoning harnesses that sit on top of foundation models to outperform them.
    • The "Poetic Meta-System" automatically generates systems to solve hard problems, optimizing prompts, data, and reasoning strategies without human intervention.
    • Unlike traditional fine-tuning or training models from scratch (which costs hundreds of millions of dollars), Poetic's approach is significantly cheaper and faster.
    • The harness remains compatible with new frontier model releases, allowing startups to gain performance bumps without re-training or rebuilding.
    • This approach effectively acts as "stilts" for startups, making them "taller" than the underlying base models.
  • Performance Benchmarks and Economics

    • Arc AGI v2: Achieved results 9 percentage points higher than Gemini 3 DeepThink (54% vs. 45%) while costing less than half the price ($32 vs. ~$70 per problem) by utilizing Gemini 3 Pro.
    • Humanity's Last Exam: Reached 55% accuracy on 2,500 expert-level questions, surpassing the previous state-of-the-art (Claude Opus 4.6 at 53.1%).
    • Cost Efficiency: The Humanity's Last Exam run was optimized for under $100,000, whereas training foundation models to similar capabilities costs hundreds of millions.
    • Team Structure: The optimization is performed by a lean team of seven research scientists and engineers.
    • Historical Context: Previous manual optimization on a hard task with Gemini 1.5 Flash yielded only 5% performance, which jumped to 95% after adding reasoning strategies.
  • Strategic Philosophy and Market Position

    • Treats frontier models as a foundational layer to stand on, not as competitors.
    • Positions the company against the "bitter lesson" where fine-tuned models become obsolete immediately upon the release of new, stronger base models.
    • Views the technology as a new paradigm distinct from Reinforcement Learning (RL), with its own S-curve that shifts upward as both the Meta-System and underlying models improve.
    • Currently operates in stealth and has not publicly released the product; early access is available via a signup button on poetic.ai.
    • Actively seeking startups with reliable, robust agents that require further optimization for specific verticals.
  • Founder Background and Origins

    • Ian Fisher, co-founder and co-CEO, previously founded a mobile dev tools company acquired by Google, where he spent a decade researching AI and robotics at Google Research and DeepMind.
    • Initially joined Google to work on robotics but pivoted to machine learning research upon realizing hardware constraints were too limiting.
    • Recently demonstrated the rapid capability of AI by building an iPhone app over a weekend using GPT-5, a task he hadn't attempted in a decade.
  • Call to Action and Future Outlook

    • Encourages engineers and founders to "try things" daily with AI to push boundaries, citing personal experience as proof of how quickly capabilities are advancing.
    • The goal is for the Poetic Meta-System to hit the performance ceiling of AGI or superintelligence before the underlying models do.
    • Y Combinator's next batch is accepting applications at ycombinator.com/apply.