Interview, Fireside Chat
What Shutting Down Your Startup Feels Like - Avni Patel Thompson of Poppy with Kat Manalac
- Avni Patel-Thompson is the founder and former CEO of Poppy, a startup that operated for three and a half years before shutting down in December.
- Poppy's mission was to build a "modern village" by vetting and connecting local child care providers with families facing gaps in childcare.
- The company launched in Seattle roughly three and a half years ago as a neighborhood pilot before attempting to scale.
- Avni was previously rejected by Y Combinator (YC) during her initial application but later joined the program and went through the batch process.
- Kat Manialek, a YC partner, previously interviewed Avni and sent the rejection email for her first application.
Economic and Scaling Challenges
- Childcare is an inherently margin-challenged category due to the tension between what parents can pay and what skilled caregivers require in compensation.
- Poppy operated on a membership and transaction revenue model, which proved difficult to scale profitably compared to high-ticket, lower-frequency categories like travel.
- Economics shifted significantly at scale: a model working at 10 bookings/week (3 caregivers, ~50 families) failed to translate to 500 bookings/week (hundreds of caregivers, thousands of families).
- At higher scales, the "mom-and-pop" personal connection disappeared, transforming caregiver work into gig economy roles rather than community-centric positions.
- Poppy successfully unearthed supply not available on other marketplaces, recruiting teachers, students, and dancers (e.g., from Trader Joe's) who used Poppy to fund their primary passions.
- Average parent retention stabilized at 6–8 caregivers per family, countering the skepticism that parents would only accept 1–2 specific providers.
- The model faced high churn among caregivers who were transient (between grad school or early career phases), complicating long-term retention for parents.
Decision-Making and Timeline
- Avni began questioning the viability of Poppy's business model approximately one year prior to the shutdown due to stagnant growth rates of 5–10%.
- While growth was positive for a marketplace, it lacked the 15–20% traction required to validate a massive scale hypothesis.
- The decision to close was driven by a runway forcing function; with only 6–8 months of capital remaining in late 2023, bold experimentation became unsustainable.
- Avni considered three primary options:
- Pivot: Cutting ~75% of the team to restart with a new hypothesis (rejected as unlikely to succeed without a compelling new idea and sufficient time).
- Acquisition: Seeking a buyout to continue the mission with different resources (rejected as probability was assessed at <3% given market reality).
- Shut Down: Calling the venture cleanly to avoid further capital burn and emotional toll.
- The final decision to close was solidified around Thanksgiving, with the official announcement made on December 3.
- Avni raised slightly over $2 million, which allowed the company to survive for three years while testing hypotheses.
Investor and Team Communication
- Avni maintained monthly investor updates throughout the company's life, ensuring transparency regarding burn rates, bank balances, and strategic challenges.
- This discipline prevented the shutdown news from being a surprise to investors, who were already aware of the economic headwinds.
- When approaching potential acquirers, Avni found that most CEOs were transparent early on, often stating they could not acquire, which helped definitively close that path.
- Avni prioritized transparency with her team, sharing financial details with all employees, including junior staff, to avoid anxiety from ambiguity.
- The final decision-making circle involved only a small number of trusted lead team members and mentors before the broader announcement.
- Investors reacted with support rather than anger, acknowledging that Avni acted with stewardship and honesty despite the outcome.
Founder Experience and Emotional Impact
- Avni describes the startup as an extension of her identity and family, having launched Poppy when her second daughter was four months old.
- She experienced a grieving process after the shutdown, comparing the loss to the death of a living entity that had accompanied her for years.
- Avni enforced a three-week "no work" period over the holidays (December 17–31) to process emotions and avoid rushing into a new venture.
- She identified kindness as a core strategy: being kind to herself by allowing space to heal, and kind to her team by avoiding a belabored "hail mary" pivot.
- Avni distinguishes between "failure" and a completed hypothesis, noting that Poppy successfully validated its supply-side potential even if the economic model failed.
- She explicitly rejects the narrative that Poppy was a failure, citing its value to thousands of parents and hundreds of caregivers.
Future Outlook and Strategy
- Avni is not returning to corporate employment, having previously worked at large companies and an MBA track.
- Her next steps involve unstructured exploration rather than an immediate new pitch; she is currently learning to code, taking art classes, and observing retail spaces.
- She remains deeply passionate about the problems of working mothers and parents, viewing Poppy as just one hypothesis in a broader lifecycle of solving these issues.
- Avni plans to wait until January 4 to have any conversations about what is next, refusing to start a new company until she has sufficient data and inspiration.
- She emphasizes that serial entrepreneurship often involves multiple failed hypotheses before success, citing examples like Slack, Twitter, and Pinterest.
- Avni advocates for a culture where founders can close ventures cleanly and move to the next attempt without stigma, focusing on the accumulation of knowledge rather than a single successful exit.