EAGLES ENDGAME, COMMANDERS DISASTER, TRAVIS IN CLEVELAND! & COACHING COMBUSTIBLE MEN | EP 206 - VIVENDI

Allegedly, the Cowboys defense had a players-only meeting. As a coach, what do you think when your team is having a players only meeting? I think you're dead. Yes! I got nothing but respect for player leadership and I embrace that and all of that stuff. But when you have a players' only meetings, man, it doesn't feel good. I'll tell you that. I just always feel like it always is just a formality that is like, We're going to do the players only meeting because nothing else is working. So let's try the players. Only meeting. If it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it, we had a players only meeting. Welcome back to new heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondry show brought to you by all state. That's right. You're in good hands with all state where your host. I'm Travis Kelsey is my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the guards, baby. Come on, baby, come on. We're 1-0, got another game tonight against the Rays down there in Tampa. Man, it's fun to watch them play right now. Let's get to the rest of the show, though, baby subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts follow the show on all social media, add New Heights show with what else for fun clips throughout the week and Jason, please tell the people what we got coming up. 90 percenters, it is a bye week for Travis Kelsey, so it was bye week baseball, as you can see with the shirt on I was also in London. Just got back to the old US of A on Monday morning. You sound like you're from London. No one in the NFL can apparently manage a clock. And also, Mike Tomlin is here. Let's go. The old ball coach is coming in. Coach Tomlin, let's get it, man. He's been killing it on Sunday Night Football. Absolutely. He's doing obviously, I think everybody expected him to do well. There's not many coaches in my time that delivered better sound bites as a coach in the NFL. Mike is the man. we can't wait to talk to him today and before we get into that let's get into some of that new news new news is brought to you by nike let's go we've also teamed up with stony clover we have on a brand new new heights collab how about that yeah we got a clear bag that says stony clover then we got some patches some patches going around the clear bag for the stadium bag little stadium stadium bag oh you got a fanny pack i just got this little thing this is like a like a little toiletry bag or something yeah it was like something that you would put it's like an easy carry i guess jason's always in on a fannie pack now i just feel like it's super convenient especially if you're going to be out and about walking would you want a clear fanny bag though i would never do a clear bag just walking around but because stadiums make you do it because of the optics of safety um i think that then yeah i would because i'm a big fan of fanny packs i just i feel like it's a convenient way to carry things it just fits right under the guts so perfect fits right into the gut there's no issues with my shoulder it's right on the hips so there's no strain on your back it's easy to it's easy to access and i mean i just it's way more manly than a purse who is the first what about a murse well that's different who made the first fanny pack i was actually fanny fanny mcjohnson fanny mic johnson fanny macjohnston the old okay the old i'm leading with that from now on the there was a fanny pac on the oatsy the ice man a 5300 year old mummified corpse discovered in the alps in 1991 who wore a calf skin pouch tied with a leather that's a fanny pack and a fucking leather one too how about it man there's a fancy brother right there up there in the Alps they have frozen mummies well mummify just means you haven't decayed right so like your body is still intact now the mummification process in egypt was like they would do all this embalming and wrapping you in these things so that you wouldn't decay but in the nordic territories or up where there's a lot of fucking ice you don't need to do any process you just freeze yeah and you stick them in the you're mummified that way thank you for the history lesson jason i'm kind of making that all up that's the way i interpret it 92 let's go it's close enough it's 92 close for sure we went from 5600 years is that what it said 5600 years ago with an ice man in the Oatsy region 5300 years and now we have gotten to Stony Clover Lanes clear plastic pouch with gold gold zippers shop Stony Clover Lane at the Kelsey Clubhouse now before the style sells out last reminder the new heights tailgate presented by nike is back in the kansas city area this weekend on sunday october 18th we'll be at arrowhead stadium and lot m the tailgate is free for all game day ticket holders gates open from 11 a.m to 3 p.m giving the 92 percenters plenty of time to enjoy free food exclusive merch games challenges dvd live dj a photo wall an exclusive look at jake looking at his phone and so much more before kickoff for additional info on past tailgates and exclusive details on what's happening on october 18th check out out of the house page on the closey clubhouse that's it for new news brought to you by nike what else should we do at the tailgate last year at the eagles tailgate we did belly bucking what's something we could do make it i don't i don' t know i think you'd find you'd find some some good belly buckers out here in kansas city you know what it's always funny is the fucking mechanical bulls man oh yeah that's some mechanical bull that'd be great that'd also be a liability that i don't think new heights is willing to take on no there's no liability with that they have them at carnivals and the pbr there's a bar downtown that has it they have them everywhere what do you think of um a frog races put put jerseys on frogs and have them race and everybody can bet on them as we're doing it it's probably illegal pig race might be that might be a banger we can paint uh the offensive line numbers on it you can create humphrey i mean it's a big bowl right there now all right now might have to be the biggest one baby all right now have everybody like punch a ticket not necessarily bet on it but you could win some free merch if you i mean let's just bet on let's bet on i think that's illegal that's why that's what that's 100 certified gaming commission type deal yeah no but i think you can i think you can i think you can do the whole like punch a ticket and you could win prizes like you don't have to bet on them you couldwin prizes if your frog wins you get put into a raffle there you go now we're talking there yougo now still might be gaming committee i think this is very illegal but can we get assistance on this brandon is any of this legal just immediately you've been listening right yeah yeah yeah so i'm looking up the pig racing in missouri google says no you cannot legally gamble on pig racing in mississippi we got to take this across state lines maybe i don't think the racing issue isn't the issue it's the gambling that's the issue brandon okay you know what i'll take over this ai section for now if i knew it was just going to be you know i got i got other shit to do today i don' t need this i don''t yeah no go ahead you go ahead you go ahead and have fun today no Brandon come back come back if I were to race frogs Jason say you're sorry hey I was taking the time on this one oh is it harder than it looks Mason he's back it's not harder for me I'm doing Halloween decorations now It's not harder for me. Go ahead. Go ahead, but it's not even harder for me. It's just harder for AI. AI. Look at this guy. His face lights up. That's epic. Pretty cool. Is that a Costco pull? No, it's a Home Depot or Lowe's. What? I'm going to find a place from on the front porch right now, Jason. Have fun. All right. Good luck. Sweet. During that, I just pulled a Raphael palmero it's pretty legit sweet look at that fucking stash dude should they win baseball should theywin cards should we buy a bunch of boxes of cards i mean we don't have to buy them i got them i just go and borrow some from the house i'll just take them well what's better pig racing or frog racing brandon can you show us some videos of pig races and frog races swifty swine racing and swimming pig golly that's hilarious i mean there's so many they're swifty there's swine racing we get their hogs so like offensive linemen are commonly referred to as hogs uh-huh i think this is a no-brainer this is pretty good we got to get some some pig racing we got a week to go i didn't even know pigs could swim that's what i'm saying watch this watch this thing dump in jump in it cocks itself loads oh my god that thing was slot and do we got to get a longer pool brandon what are the chances we can get pig racing at the tailgate this weekend if you're in the kansas city area and you're a chiefs fan and you have pigs let's fucking figure it out call me i'll just figure it OUT whoever brings in the fastest pig do they win a prize as well they're gonna be juicing these pigs up i'm putting caitlin clark shoes on a pig do they make cc ones for toddlers because i think that would be about the size okay i'm talking directly to caitlyn clark i know you watch cc send us the pig shoes send us shoes for a big how's the look out front you got it you get you hang that thing up yet i got a swinging guy i gotta figure out i got a lot of shit going on don't this halloween's my favorite time of year awesome stressed out we have talked about it you like halloweed more than christmas yeah what's the best halloweens song what's best halloeensong i mean thriller monster mash yep those are too obvious i'm trying to think of some obscure shit i love monster mash i know but it's just like over i mean you know what it is actually it's from 30 rock it's werewolf bar mitzvah i don't remember the tracy jordan novelty song it's wherewolf bar mitzva that's the answer has taylor ever made a halloween song has she ever ventured into the scary territory travis i don' t believe so jason folklore was kind of like her kind of in the woods very fall coded oh ghostbusters oh dude i was watching that last night ghostbuster have you ever listened to the song like well you actually listen to it as an adult no sure it's good yeah but do you know the innuendos that are riddled throughout it no go ahead no yeah all right does busting make you feel good jason that's kind of what i'm talking about oh you think that slid over my head you're like it's over my hand as a kid i didn't know what are you fucking talking about now i do what's up saying mom i love busting oh yeah all busting makes me feel good no way it says that it's my favorite part of the song dude it's by favorite part of the song all right out of the house is brought to you by nissan travis was back in cleveland chasing the adla alds for game five trav what was october baseball like up in cleveland ohio man it was absolutely electric as it always is man cleveland always shows up for the guards man um ever since the 90s when we were kids man clevelands always been a baseball town man yeah it's just been they've always desired playoff october baseball and um i remember watching a lot of them on tv when i was younger finally got to get to one with dad back when 2016 i believe when the last time we were in the world series and sure enough man uh this this last one this game five of the alds was so electric uh everybody was just sitting there waiting for for the guards to you know find a way to go up and sure enough jose ramirez comes up big takes a ball from what feels like his ankles and throws it over the wall and man it was um it was it was just it was electric man the whole stadium felt like it was rattling uh with excitement and um and our pitching just took uh took care of him from there well we got a video of it looks like you celebrating uh jose ramirez's home run let's take a look at this oh my gosh it's me up in the owner's suite with uh the blitzer family that's awesome with my guy robbie little richa and um and rhodes mckee obviously you see patty bake sneak in the sneak in the frame there on the right um the whole the Dolans are up uh slapping hands and giving high fives my guy David Blitzer who gave me the opportunity comes down and gave me a big old fucking big old fucking high five and a hug man it's just it it was it was so much fun man so much fun it's I can't tell you how much I'm I miss just being around my friends and family from Cleveland and being able to do this and uh and cheer on the guards in October was absolutely electric man and it anything else you want to talk about from your time in cleveland no baby we got the uh the second game tonight of the alcs and uh and i'm pumped to see the guards get after it parker messick um he's been pitching amazing uh all year and sure enough he's gonna have quite a test against these rays man i know they're gonna come out hungry so go guards baby jason playing rugby in london that's right about this man dude do you remember having the rugby ball laying around the house growing up i do i remember even going to um i remember going to a field to go watch dad or dad's teammates play i don't know if he was done or if he Was still there i would assume he was probably done by the time i never don't remember him playing at all yeah i mean i do remember messing around with the rugby ball a little bit i do Remember uh you know him teaching us a little bit about it but certainly not enough to go out and play a game so i got uh some advice out in the west coast i went to visit alona mar friend of ours uh especially friend of kylie and i's and our time over in paris at the olympics as well as since then she came to the shore this year to support egos autism foundation oh yeah so she gave me an introduction of basic rules technique fundamentals then went over to london and met with joe marler a legendary prop for the english national team yeah we gotta show a picture of this fucking picture doesn't do it justice see the man he is a big son bitch he is a manly fucking dude can you give us a picture of this guy yeah look at this dude zero zero yes yes you would just think that guy could I mean put him at fucking just all quads all quids traps and back oh he asked me what position you play in the NFL or football and I said oh you'd probably be either a lineman or a O-line or D-line you'd be one of those two spots but yeah you're dude you're moving the line of scrimmage for sure yeah Joe gave me and Bo some last minute pointers when we were over in London right before we went out and played uh a little kind of practice rugby match it was actually awesome we got to play feel what it was like the old Shretonians were the ones that allowed us to play for them they got us set up in the kits and everything and uh we played against hackney where it was dude it was very hard to understand when to go into the ruck to initiate it when not to when i was allowed to grab the ball i had to go through the gate i fucked that up at one point uh maintaining the line and the positioning and it's more of a free-flowing game so like you're kind of just finding a spot to move in and it was uh it it was challenging to say the least yeah i got tired very quickly and was absolutely useless um but it was a complete blast and uh i think the sport itself you really understand why it's such a uh tight-knit group if that makes sense like when you think about rugby obviously the sport himself but you also think about like the guys hanging out afterwards like that's why dad played right he played with a bunch of his friends and they would go to the pub afterwards and they drink a bunch a beer together and they just hang out and they became really close and when you're playing the sport it becomes really apparent how much you're all in this together like you all have to maintain the line and you pick up in for each other and like i make a tackle and it's another guy's job to get in there and try and get through the gate to go get the ball. And it's another guy's job in the opposing team to once his player gets tackled, to clear the ruck so that somebody else could pick up the ball and it's a very free-flowing, amorphic kind of game where everybody's really working together in a very cohesive way and you're reliant on the guys next to you. You have the big guys, your forwards that are required to make sure you're holding that line and advancing it forward. You have your fast guys on the outside we were trying to get the ball to to break on a free through a lane that they see you know there's it was something that i think actually having never having played the sport playing it there's an amount of respect even further after playing the game and how tough it was physically conditioning wise how hard it was to really know how to play it and where to fit in oh yeah it was a blast man i i could not say enough good things about it and um you know it's everything that i kind of uh was hoping to get out of it and more so yeah hell yeah man well we got some playing footage big guy and uh i think uh you might have already gone viral for laying the fucking head stick on somebody dude this was early before i got tired this is like right i think he wanted to test me he wanted to see if I could what I was gonna do yeah which is respect bro the moment I hit him you'll hear it he starts like slapping me oh big hit there fella yeah we like that here laddy and I was like what the fuck these dudes are batshit crazy I love it exactly watch him slapping me on the top of my head afterwards oh you don't see it but now he was he was all over it he was loving it so it was a blast this is good shit i also got stiff-armed bad i was going in for a tackle boom right to the ground and when we were shaking hands afterwards he was like i got you on the one that's good shit oh man that's awesome dude i love that you got out there man and i'm not gonna lie dude you you look like you fit right in with the beard and the fucking the shorts and the look at the quads still firing absolutely electric i'm glad you got out there how about it man hopping over the pond to play some fucking rugby with the boys man that's absolutely electric do you hit the pub afterwards of course hit the club afterwards had to sing our uh our debutante songs for our uh rookie songs just like in the nfl guys will go up and sing they made me and bo get up in front of everybody and sing at the pub and what would you go with what do you think i'm with we gotta get another one i know i'm trying i wanted to have another one i don't think you're trying i think youre i wanted another one on the street i just don't know here's the problem i don' know enough songs off the rip that can do all of the lyrics that are good to sing in a pub you know what i mean sounds like you just gotta go with ghostbusters you got that you got that part down I ain't afraid of no ghost dude this is so good you just like the ghost is he talking about ghosts I don't know if he's talking about ghost alright let's go I feel like he had a whole another song written and like hey can you write this song about ghost Ghostbusters is like, oh, man, I don't want to write a whole new song. 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So don't miss Travis Hunter and the Nissan Frontier in episode three of the limited series, Tell Them a Heisman Sent You, out now on Nissan's USA's YouTube channel. all right let's get to some bold topics let's go this is brought to you by pepsi yo pepsicola gotta love it baby well since chiefs are on a bye week let's get right into london eagles 17 jaguars 19 a absolute crazy finish um jason uh just uh your thoughts on the game let's just get into that okay well i guess thoughts of the game defense played outstanding again they put him in a position to win despite the offense's struggles especially in the second half which has been a returning theme for the Eagles I did think the offense was much better on third down this week still some areas of improvement on some of the blitzes and some ofthe looks but I thought Jalen looked a lot more comfortable assigning protections and throwing the ball and getting rid of it at one point in the first half I think he had picked up like a third and eight, a third and ten, a third and ten. It felt like they were better in that category than they've been the previous two weeks, which is good. And listen, I mean, you never want to make excuses. They're playing with literally their fourth string center. Their third string center is now playing left guard. Their second string center is hurt. And their first string center are now playing for the Baltimore Ravens at Camp Jurgens. So, you know, they're playing with a rookie right tackle. Top two running backs are out. Their top receiver's out. uh the fact that this was a game i think from philadelphia was the jacks are no slouches no that's the other thing jacksonville is a very good team i like jackson a lot despite what their fans may think after that broadcast huge fan of that jackson team listen man that defensive front trevor lawrence is a fucking dog we got some ball players yeah and yeah i mean you look at some of the struggles that that the bucks have been having over the years liam cohen how much success he's been having since he's left there parker washington basial tootin they they have a great squad there and i think like no i always go in with the eagles like oh okay hoping they win i was not confident going into that one i thought the defense maybe they can play well which they did uh but i think overall obviously you know we had a chance to win the game in some of the last minute stuff unfortunately to the egos not winning uh jacksonville played a heck of a game and especially right down at the end of it um but the o-line even though they weren't able to really run the ball very well listen you're playing with all those bags i thought willie lamb can get a great job i was just gonna say it is so fucking fun watching willie lamp can play football man seeing a guy of that size be able to roll a fucking big fatty out of the fucking hole it is some it's electric now man yeah it's electronic and he had some plays you know just like jake majors the the starting center ball man come on i thought those guys battled man i thought they played hard um i thought jalen again you know obviously didn't have a great second half none of the offense did but when it mattered most he got the ball down there and they were in a position to win the game so yeah that's one thing that jalen does really well is he moves the ball at the end of it to put his team in a chance to winthe game he does do a great job of managing the endofthegames but that is where uh the controversy at least comes up uh at the end of this one uh eagles kick uh go ahead field goal to go up 17 16 um but the jags have eight seconds left you made a great point on the actual call after the entire yeah game and everything about the timeout yeah so initially and i i have not talked to anybody with the eagles i really do think that they were talking about they were thinking about that baltimore dallas game because it was the exact same situation scenario where you know dallas is kicks the go ahead or one was eight seconds the other one is nine seconds or yeah i thought they were both eight maybe it was eight and i but i think it was eight and eight and it's like the exact sam scenario and in that scenario with baltimore dallas they were able to throw the ball call a timeout and then kick the field goal to win it so immediately i thought okay we don't want them to be able to we want them to burn some of this time we know we want them to burn some this time but what I did not look at was the fact that Jacksonville didn't have a timeout so I do think in hindsight kicking through the end zone and making them throw a ball out of bounds to move it a little bit closer to try a hail Mary doubtful that they're able to throw a ball get out of bounds and then kick a field goal that's the other thing is that you could still find a way there's still a percentage it's a very low percentage because of the style of defense you would probably play in that scenario but there is still yeah you would still be have a chance to be able to even if you did kick it out of bounds you have eight seconds to get the ball across the 50 and out of bounds that is still a scenario that could happen it is very unlikely because the defense would be in some sort of sideline prevent defense that is they would make sure they have somebody all up and down the sidelines all the bodies up and Down the sidelines to beable to stop them from stopping the clock in that situation there's so many different scenarios where there is still possibility of chance either way but and they had also i think the other part of it is that they also allowed a kickoff return that was a big kickoff turn earlier in the end there should have been a touchdown it got called back like there had been leakage on the kickoff for turn team already in the game but regardless that one feels to me like the it was just a crazy thing that happened there could it have been better if you get through the end zone i think so but like it's not that one seems to be less especially by the people that actually know what they're talking about like analytics people and whatnot that one wasn't the big deal i think the big thing is that they're not going to be able to is like just giving the ball back to begin with when dallas goddard caught the ball in that two minute drive the moment they had a chance to kick a one a 51 yard field goal to end it i don't think that they should have been passing right away right like if you run the ball there you end it with the field goal now they wanted to get closer they weren't as comfortable with 51 they're like ah we know we're in range here but we'd like to make it a little bit easier for jake so they threw it on first and second down first down he almost knew I mean it was almost a pick and then the second down one is caught by Makai so I think there's two coaching points here one you tell Makai Lemon when he catches that ball the next time when you run up to that play okay if you want to get it closer I understand you want to make it easier for Jake but the moment he catches that ball he's got to get down he can't go out of bounds right you got to catch down and you're only gaining three or four yards at that point so I don't know that it's that much to try that but the bigger thing to me is if you're going to try and move it a little bit closer before the end of the game, the first place should have been a run because Jackson only had one timeout left, make them burn that timeout up front. So you know where you sit for second and third down. All right. We burned the timeout. All Right. Second down. Let's try and get a littlebit closer here. If it works great. If it doesn't add third down, we can run it again and we can bleed this thing down and kick the field goal to end the game and live with that that i think with everything in hindsight is feels like the proper way to do it if you even try the pass yeah the passing is just risky to me because i there's so many negative things that can happen like you're already there i get you want to move it closer but anyways a lot easier for me to say from my uh my chair in the booth and from right here the old monday morning quarterback i hear you what's frustrating just overall though is i think that you know i think nick sirianni for the most part with the philadelphia eagles has been a heck of a game manager that's one of the strengths that he's had oh yeah and a lot of the times his calls have been under question and a large amount of times well the unst amount of time a lot of those ones are wrong in my opinion by the fan base these are ones where like he's just had like a couple weeks unfortunately where there's been like one or two times where it feels like everything's kind of piling on and i think for me it's important to realize like for the most part nick has actually been really good in these scenarios and he's been a net add and people don't remember when he goes for it on fourth down and it works out they don't Remember when he throws a slant and four minute drill we get a first down like those are the ones where it's like okay that one worked out and immediately you don't know what you definitely remember are the ones where works out negatively like these last couple weeks there's a couple ones that I don't agree with but for the most part Nick's really good at this scenario throughout his tenure with the philadelphia he's got a good feel for it man he does have a good feeling for it where do the eagles go from here dude i know it feels like the world's falling we almost beat the rams who a lot of people think are one of the best teams in the nfl who almost just beat the buffalo bills who are one Of the undefeateds left in the season um they very they very likely should have won that game right and for not enough for another fourth down call not going their way they almost beat jacksonville who i think jackson was one of The best teams In the nfl this year like they have a great quarterback they have great uh playmakers on offense they have a defense that's stopping the run better than anybody in the nfl right now so you know yeah are we playing great football right now offensively no has the defense struggled yeah they played bad against chicago but we've also played a ton of really good teams really close and been in positions to win so i still think that the eagles are a really good football team i think they're better than a lot most of the football teams in the nfl especially if they're fully healthy and they can get back to playing better offensive football i know everybody wants to think that the world is falling right now and yeah the last three games have been atrocious in the endings of them but i still think this team has a ton of talent on it especially you get davante smith back say gwen barkley back you know now you get uh you know the offensive line gets more reps together to continue to be better as a unit i still think that this team could be really really freaking good i hear you man they're they're literally just a few snaps away from being four and one that's my thing they got the and they they got panthers next week it's not gonna be not gonna easy another easy test i mean panthers are playing great but i think they lean on that defense jaylen keeps you know managing the offense trying to get touchdowns when they get in the red zone um you know you win a few games all of a sudden you get some momentum things are looking back good i mean the eagles have been known to go on a run uh like no other man all right that's enough of that let's get the man in himself who everybody wants to hear from i'm with you let's gets to the rest of week five with coach mike tomlin hardy our guest today is a second team all yankee conference wide receiver from William and Mary, former defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati. You see? He is a two-time Super Bowl champion and was the youngest head coach to win a Super Bowl at the time. He was the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 19 years and never had a losing season. Come on. Damn, that's crazy. He may be the greatest Minecraft architect of all time as well. 92% is. Don't blink. If you're a blinker, cut your eyelids off. Mike Tomlin is here. Let's go. Oh, man, Jason, I got to put you on the payroll, man. That's pretty good. I've been working on that one, baby. Coach, how we doing? How are you liking everything so far? I've seen you on Sunday night. You've been killing it. You enjoying it so far, man? I'm having a ball, man is, you know, is part time work, full time pay. You know, let's go. Still getting to go to the stadium probably feels electric. You stepped in and it's just been flawless, man。 It felt like you're you've you've been meant to be in front of the TV talking football to us football heads, man. Did you know it was going to be this smooth? Did you always have this in your back pocket? No, I've been working at it, to be honest with you, dating back to the spring. Once I got into agreement with NBC, it was right during NBA playoffs. And so I would go to the NBA playoff games and watch Tirico and Reggie Miller and Mello and T-Mac and those guys' events work. I was appreciative because they let me in their space. And so I got a sense of what some of that was about. I went to the U.S. Open, did the same thing. I just tried to, you know, and to be honest with you, man, I just started paying attention to it differently, you know, other people in the space working and stuff like that. So it's been a good process for me, man. I hadn't taken it for granted. I want to work at it. I just like to work in everything that I do. But, man I'm having fun. And as you mentioned, man like when I go to stadiums, it's the best just to be in the environment to see friends you know the fellowship with football men like eb and i got a chance to break bread when i was in kansas city a couple weeks ago man it's a beautiful thing well i i knew you were gonna kill the coach i mean there's i don't know if there's another coach that's been had more sound bites over the last 20 years like you just have a knack for saying the right thing it doesn't come out all these like cliches or whatnot it's original it's creative it's motivational it can be funny i mean i i had a feeling of it and i got to talk about the big runner is this this has always been a thing is this real hey um prior to him being in baltimore i would call him by name okay once he got it once he's got into the division hey it's like ohio state of michigan it's your team up north you know there you go can't even say the name i hadn't said that dude's name i can't i can'T say his name it was a way of making a point to my football team how significant this dude's presence was going to be in this rivalry you know and so i always had appreciation for the ohio state michigan rivalry and so i really kind of stole it from from that that's too funny to all the 92 percenters that don't know what we're talking about uh coach tomlin just did uh the call on uh the ravens of falcons game the big runner is 4.2 per carry and i just want to remind you guys the big runner is derrick henry he still will not say his name because he sends a shiver down his spine you won't say it yeah i agree like doing stuff like that makes it seeds it in guys heads you know i mean we used to call stout used to called the hook like you would add like a little something on the end of it if he wanted you to remember it a little bit more so i think that's ingenious coach let's talk week five yeah do you miss uh the tube of shit do you know what we're talking about Sean McVay has a story where you called him when he got hired and asked him how he likes that tube of shit that he never stops flowing that tube is it that he never stops blowing now that he's a head coach I just I just want to be real with him man I just wanted to let him know what was around the corner come on baby I don't miss it not the tube not the tube I'm sure you missed other parts of it but definitely not the two I missed the brotherhood of men man you cannot You cannot fake that, man. To be around guys in the intimate way that we are in the football business, particularly at the highest level, the urgency, what it does to us, the way we get challenged, it's just a beautiful thing. And I will always miss that. But certainly there's other components to the J-O-B, man, that I do not miss. I love it. Well, Jason's getting some shit for his Eagles bias in the booth. Have you been getting any problems with coming off like you're favoring the Steelers at all? To be honest with you, I don't care if I do, man. Like, how could you be somewhere 19 years, man, and had a personal, really a personal stake in most of those guys being there and not care for them, not root for them. Not be for them? I'm not going to pretend that I'm Not. I just I can't do that. Certainly, I got a job to do, and I'm going to do it. but everybody knows where my heart is and where my support is, and I'm not apologizing for that. Nice. There you go. That's one thing that really stands out with me, outside of the sound bites, your success on the field. All the guys I know that played for you genuinely loved you as a head coach, as their coach, whether it was Alejandro Villanueva, Marquise Pouncey, Cam Hayward, like all of these guys talk about the way you held them accountable, the way that you coached them in the meeting rooms. what you taught them not just as football player but as men like i did you always have this way about you with people like is that what you think your superpower was as a coach i believe so but it's just something because you know how it is we do because we were inspired and when i was growing up man the most respected men in my community were coaches like whatever and football coaches track coaches basketball coaches man they were the most stand-up people to me they were they were men's men and I just wanted to be like those guys and inspire young men and so that was really my intention when I got into the profession I really you know I didn't have a aspirations of coaching in the league I didn'T play a snap in the League I didn' t I wasn't aware of the League and so really it was about working with young men or college athletes and and and I kind of ended up in the professional ranks, but when I got in the professional ranks I just refused to change my approach. I think a lot of athletes, man, when they get to the top of the food chain, people say they change when everybody around them gets a little different. And so I just wanted to treat them the same way they were always treated, man. I wanted to pour into them not only from a football standpoint, but from a personal standpoint, meet them where they are, help them in their non-football lives i just think coaching is about that it's about not only getting the best out of an athlete and different people need different things but it's also helping them in every component of their lives if we're going if we go have unique outcomes man we can't have these cookie cutter relationships i love it i love and it all of that just oozes out of you coach i remember meeting you for the first time it felt like i had known you forever and uh it was at the uh it Was during the combine yeah i had a i had an official i had an official uh so we were in one of the hotel rooms and and we're going over film and i remember um there's there's not a lot of light in those hotel rooms but there's always the one wall light and for whatever reason you put mean joe green right under that light and it just felt like i was like being intimidated the inside did you put him back there to intimidate guys by design First of all, hey, seriously, first of all you're not a real football guy if you didn't recognize who that was. That's what I'm saying, yeah, I hear you. And if you did recognize who it was, then it certainly was a component of intimidation. Hey, I remember it. I remember It perfectly. You walked out of the room and I was like, man, there's a little bit of a risky edge to that guy, but I want a piece of that. You know what I mean? You know What I mean. I was like, man, that guy could go either way, man. But that's what you're looking for. And I walked out of there like, man, I know I grew up in Cleveland, but I mean, it'd kind of be pretty dope to be a stealer underneath that guy as a head coach, man? Man, I remember it like it's yesterday. It's just funny, man... Some of those things that get stuck in our mind, man! It's the best, man.. I appreciate you, coach. Let's go over a little bit more from week five. How about that? We haven't had that many coaches on the show. Can we talk some football stuff and decision-making from this past week? there's a number of things that happened so much let's go to the week man it was crazy let's talk giants commanders ending all right commanders obviously let the clock expire in ot have a chance to kick a field goal who's at fault in your mind here everyone it's so crazy it's still being in a building and going over situational football it just blows my mind that this could even happen you touched on it on sunday night uh the other the other day but But it's just it's so crazy. The communication, everybody's over communicating what should be going on. And it just didn't seem like anybody was on the right on the same page. I think that's what's most interesting about it. Man, it's almost over communicated when you get in those circumstances. It's chatter. People that don't normally talk, everybody is all of a sudden talking. And so we'll never know. And I said this Sunday night, we'll Never Know kind of, you know, what really transpired. People said what they needed to say and, and all of that. And, and certainly it's a collective failure, man. I hate it for those guys, man, Dan Quinn, man is a good friend of mine, man. We were friends when nobody knew either one of our names. My last year in college football was his first year in coaching. And he was a young assistant at William and Mary. I was, I was 22. He was 23 and I knew I wanted to get into coaching. And so, man、 I hung out with him. I'm like, man، what's coaching like? You know, that's good. And all of this stuff. We became boys. OK. And it goes on. You just never know. As soon as the season was over, he got a job at Virginia Military Institute. And I was still in school. I had another semester of school, man. He recommended me and I got my first job. We worked together at VMI. No way. And so me and this dude go back, man, to the very infancy of our careers. And so, man, I was I was sick for him. But it was just crazy to watch it because it just it's almost it's almost baffling how it could occur because it's just so many potential checks and balances in terms of communication and communication opportunity for a lot of people that is crazy that it happened. Right. I've tried. The only thing that makes sense is that they thought they had another time out. Right. Like, I don't understand how else it would have happened. Like, it's like, whatever. We don't need that. I don' know. Let's just get into one of the best soundbites. We don' want to act like we know. Listen, the only thing that I'm glad that happened, it was that we got a Mike Tomlin soundbite out of this. He said on Sunday Night Football. I'd describe it as disgusting. I was disgusted by the scantable fumble. I threw up in my mouth a little bit at the end of the game. Because you know how it is, man. When two teams like that are fighting their tails off, man, You don't want the game to be decided by officiating. You want the Game to be Decided by Dudes Rising Up and Smiling in the Face of Adversity and Making Plays and Just Talent on Display. That's what you want to see in those moments. So you don't like to see fundamental errors like ball security or clock management or lack of awareness. It kind of takes the air out of the ultimate competitor's game. Absolutely. That's exactly it. All right, let's talk coaching play calling duties. All right? Sean Payton takes over calling duties from Davis Webb. He takes them back. Miguel Ryans takes back play calling dues from my guy Matt Burke down there with the Texans. How did you handle play calling duty? And, like, was that ever something you had to give away or take back? Like, what is that decision-making like? I've done it some over the years. I'll tell you this. any coordinator that works on the side of the ball that's the head coach's area of expertise is subject to that if things aren't going well. You get head jobs because of your expertise and your experience in a certain aspect of the game. And so if you're not hanging your hat there, where are you hanging your cap? If you're a defensive specialist and your defense isn't going great like D'Amico, that's what you do. If you an offensive specialist like Sean and offense isn't going great. I just think it comes with the territory in terms of when your boss has expertise and experience on that side of the ball, that's what happens. When I got a coordinator opportunity in Minnesota, one of the main reasons I wanted to go to Minnesota, because Brad Childress was an offensive expert. You know what I mean? That's great. And I didn't want to fly with a net. You know What I mean. I hear you. I didn't want that backstop. I wanted the responsibility of being that defensive expert in the building. And so that's one of the main reasons why I was excited about going to Minnesota with Brad. That's too good, man. Shout out to Chili, man! Shout out the Chili. I got to see him at training camp, man, Chili's the best, man We got Eagles and Jags ending. I don't know. There's actually two decisions. There's the one on the kickoff that led to the kick off return and the ensuing field goal. And then there's also kind of the decision making before that. to pass the ball a couple of times and not run the clock down and end the game with a field goal. Where do you fall on that one? I didn't see the sequence in terms of the offensive decision-making because, you know, we got things going on and stuff when we get ready for the show. But, you Know, I probably have a, you know, a less popular opinion about the kickoff. I just I just think there's certain things in NFL football that you cannot run from you got to be able to cover kicks. You got to Be able to Cover Punts. You make decisions over the course of a 12-month calendar, how you fill out the back end of your roster. The last running back in the helmet might not be the best running back available. You know, the last tight end in the element, safety, or whatever. Those guys are kick coverage people. Because over the force of a 17-game schedule, man, like there's going to be a situation, man. Where you can be back against the wall in the backed up punt. And you got to kick that thing. And you've got to cover it. Or same thing with the kickoff. And so I see it through that lens. I think Nick said what he was supposed to say and absorbed the responsibility of that because as head coaches, man, that's what we do. But I'm a firm believer in kicking and covering and not running from that. You can't run from everything in the NFL. And you certainly can't have hindsight 2020 because somebody busted a kick on you and said, man I should not have put the ball in play. No, like there's certain things that are non-negotiable. I'm going to die on that hill. So, man, we're going to be a kick and coverage unit because that's football. I hear you, man. I love that. I love the mentality. I was in the booth. I was going to fire it up, baby. I was second guessing it. This is why you're a head coach. You're convicted and you know what you're hanging your head on. Come on, baby, Jason. I'll die on that hill, man like you can't run from every fight. Some things you just got to dig your heels in and say, this is how we live. You know, and most of those guys, they're of that mentality that are on those units. They want you to put that ball in play. That's why you do business with them. Y'all know it. Y'All been on teams, man. Them dudes are foaming at the mouth. That's their mentality. And those are the dudes that I like to do business with in that space. I made the point Sunday night, like, I love Kenny Gainwell. Kenny Grainwell is an awesome back, but I fell in love with Kenny Gainewell competing against Philly because that dude might score a touchdown and then cover the kickoff. That's right. You know, and it's guys like that, man, that make this thing beautiful, man. It makes it what it is. And I just think you can't run away from that. And particularly over the course of a 17-game season, man... There's going to be situations where you got to kick and cover. And you can'T be scared. You can'T give off that vibe. Because the dudes that are running down, man,... That's the life they live. Yeah. Goddamn, that's a good answer, Coach. Coach is the best, man. A couple weeks ago during the Steelers-Browns game, we saw a lot of yelling. There was a lotof yelling between players. There might have been a little bit between players and coaches. We even saw T.J. Watt, who seems pretty even chill, but he even got on the headset and started getting a little hot, or at least from what it looked like. Where's your stance on the yelling or hostile environment or how the sideline can kind of get just, you know, fired up? I just think football, man, is an emotional game, man. And a lot of the men that compete in it are that. And I just Think it's a natural thing. I think it's probably more interesting and noteworthy to the outside world. People like us, man has been in this thing. Like you can't run away from them tough conversations. I welcome it. It's authentic. It's genuine. as long as it's solution-oriented. And I know those guys. Like, TJ ain't grabbing a headset and going crazy unless he's looking for solutions to an issue because he's just geared toward winning. How can you hate that, man? I used to tell guys all the time, man, like, in the pursuit of victory, man, I don't care what good ideas come from. Like, how can you? You know? And so I, you know, I yawned at it, to be quite honest with you, man. them dudes trying to win. It's another day in the office, man. And, man, you can't apologize for that, man I love, I love working with combustible men, man it's real. Coach, I couldn't agree more. There's no HR department, man on them sidelines, baby. Oh, man that's good shit. I couldn'T agree more, Coach I actually think it's the opposite it's worse when guys aren't talking like that's actually, when you are done as a team it is when conversations stop and that is like i would rather guys fight up and try and rise and like hey let's fucking figure this out then all of a sudden doors start closing and people are talking shit over in corners like that's when it's a real issue i agree with you totally when you walk down the hall and all the doors are closed you're dead last thing allegedly the cowboys defense had a players only meeting as a coach what do you think when your team is having a players only meeting i think you're dead yes yes yes i'm glad you said that coach because we've had this same conversation on this show before and it's certainly and i got nothing but respect dudes that's been around me they know i got nothing except for player leadership and i embrace that and all of that stuff but that when When you're having players only meetings, man, it doesn't feel good. This is my thing is I get that there's a sense in the players only meeting that guys are going to be more real because there can be some show, I guess, proceed if you're going to do it with the coaches in there or whatever. I just always feel like it always is just a formality that is like we're going to do the players-only meeting because nothing else is fucking working, so let's try the players' only meeting, and that's going to be the thing that turns around. How about we just have a fucking meeting and have everybody involved in this motherfucker try and fix this thing? Hey, if it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it is what makes it BS. You know what I mean? Exactly. We had a players-only meeting. If it was authentic and real, then it wouldn't be reported. Exactly. You know What I mean. and so like so true i'm not a fan god damn i love that we're on the same side as that one i love that hey that was fucking hilarious we got the battle of the unbeatens right now did we see the vikings going five and oh no um and you know the cool thing about it you know how it is man during the course of a season you get tested in certain ways and if you can if you could stay upright in the midst of it then boy is growth and you know you got a squad man they they've they've had instability at the quarterback position they had justin jefferson unavailable and they're still five and oh man right like it's a beautiful thing man what if murray gets his feet on the ground and they got jeffison every week and you don't mean just to kind of run that gauntlet in less than ideal circumstances is what makes their undefeated record impressive it's very different than san fran um there's probably more growth associated with those guys being undefeated because of the adversity they faced coach what do you what do you think from what blind brian flores has been building there in minutes like it is just crazy to me i've played against it i've seen the evolution from the new england to miami where they're like man coverage they're doing all the pick stunts over the the line and now to be doing what they're doing where it's like all this soft shell but max uh blitzes 90 percent blitz rate the evolution i guess that's happening there like it just is crazy to me i just love the fact that he identified a hill that he wants to die on man and he's just there with it you know what i mean like the players are fucking with him it takes a certain conviction and particularly when it's irregular or non-traditional right to say man we're gonna play ball this way and they do Forget what it is. Like, I just respect a guy that's bold enough to have a vision about how they're going to ball, sell that to the dudes, and then live that life. Because he does not take his foot off the gas. That's what's impressive about it. He's like, this is where I am with it. Flo was on my staff for a year after Miami, man. And, you know, he and I became really close, man, he bought a house down the street from me and all of that. and I just really appreciate that dude that is who he is and so when it's so steeped in that that's what I love about it I love it, hell yeah that's good shit right there, Coach you've been so on point with everything man, doggone this shit's fun to talk to you man thank you to our partner Nike you've seen the numbers, you've seen the lines, Caitlin 1's didn't just land, they took off. 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That's awesome. That's Awesome, man. Before the Steelers, obviously you worked with Tony Dungy, John Gruden. Where were your biggest influences being a head coach? Man, I think I grew up in a big way down in Tampa as a secondary coach. And certainly I've been around some great coaches, man, that have helped me mold me, but the biggest challenge and the biggest growth as a coach, man, is when you got great players. And I was a secondary coach. I got that job at 28, and I had John Lynch and Rondi Barber in my room, man. Lynch was a year older than me. You know what I mean? That's crazy. Hey, Lynch was at the Pro Bowl, okay, when I got the job. I called Lynch on the phone. You know, he's at the pro bowl. He's like, yeah, what do you want? Who are you? where are you coming from the university what cincinnati you know what i mean yeah i just did not want to let those guys down um we had gold jackets in that room in that defense room like derrick brooks and warren sapp um and lynch and barber and i just think that i just think we challenge players as coaches but players have no idea how much they challenge coaches. I just refuse to let those guys down. You know what I mean? Yeah. I wanted to have a certain level of preparedness every day. I want it to challenge them. I didn't want to be a fan boy. I Wanted to challenge and coach John Lynch, but it's kind of uncomfortable when he's got a resume and he's 12 months older than you. You Know what I Mean? And so I grew up and grew up in a big way in tampa florida as a coach because i was around greatness man and i under and i and i gained an understanding of what greatness is about and what it looked like day to day um from guys like sap brooks lynch and barber so when you were at cincinnati who were who was the head coach that was that minner rick minner and jesse was in high school man he'd be around the building every day like and he was a defensive back and so you know i would i'd let him hang out with me and all of that man it's a funny football world we're in you know what i mean it's crazy so jesse was a g.a when trav and i were at cincinnati he was holding he was hold up scout team cards for me as a qb small world man small way and honestly it's it's great to see him in the game crazy to even imagine i gotta he's one of the best in the league he's literally his defenses are unbelievable and he's you could tell everybody loves him and it's it's cool to see and rick's up there with him you know the thing i appreciate man like like he was always around and his old man didn't mind it as a matter of fact he encouraged it they had a love affair with football and now jesse is at the top of the food chain and and he sharing it with with rick you know absolutely It's cool to see that thing come full circle with fathers tagging along with son in the ways that Jesse used to tag along with his dad, you know, when I worked for his dad. It's just funny. That's cool as hell. At Cincinnati, we walk past this wall all the time, and your face, your head would be up there, John Harbaugh, Rex Ryan. Was this all in the same era of time at University of Cincinnati with Rick? Absolutely. You know, the thing about it, y'all know Rick, man. He's crazy, okay? Like, but his love of football is pure. You know what I mean? Like, he's a hard interviewer. If he hired you, damn it, you could coach. Like, you Could Present, you structured, you know, and I just think it's one of those places, man. And it's always, Cincinnati's always been one of those places. Man, when you get an opportunity to grow, improve yourself, and it's been an awesome, you for a lot of people. Just look at the coaches that have come through there. I know. It's crazy. Even in college, in the NFL, it's wild to see how many names have come to it. There's no doubt. Well, it worked out for you, Coach. You never had a losing season. How about it, man? How in the hell does that happen? Like, what was... How do you not have a losingseason? You had no players-only meetings. How crazy is that? Hey, I just... You know... I just, you know... Like every year, you know, you start the journey with the agenda of being a world champ. And so, like, that was my agenda. And certainly I fell short a bunch, a lot. But damn it, not that far short. Yeah, no, it wasn't. Yeah, exactly. And I think more than anything, it's about training the collective to smile in the face of adversity, man. Like we had some tough times, man, one year. we we started two and six in the front on the front nine and we went six and two on the back nine you know I just think that when things are thick man you get an opportunity to show who you are as a coach and as a player and I probably did my best coaching job sometimes when things were thick because I just refused to let go of the rope and I just refuse to allow the men that i work with to let go of the rope love that coach um you're steelers you talked about this before you like players that are a little bit on the edge and no doubt you had a few personalities in pittsburgh just a few how did you keep it all together like what is what was that like from your perspective i think it's i think its individual personal relationships man um i think that's the only way that you get the best out of most people but certainly people that are edgy um people that come from you know unstable backgrounds etc people that lack trust you got to be real consistent in your behavior and how you deal with them you got it they got to know that you that you give a damn about them as a human um and it's not just in words uh it's more so in action and so i just try to live that out man like like certainly um as a head coach or a ceo man you deal with a lot of people but i think oftentimes man we use that as a crutch for not having personal individual relationships and i just prided myself in in trying to understand people where they come from what their hopes and dreams are what they feel fears are i just think as a leader you need that information in order to get the best out of them, to challenge them. Different people are challenged in different ways. Some people need and appreciate more than a kick in the butt. Sometimes a kick in the but doesn't work with others. I think just knowing them, legitimately knowing them is a main component. And that's something that I always worked at. I didn't always have a close, intimate relationship with everyone because it's two sides to a relationship. And sometimes people just want to be like, hey, what's up, coach? And I get that. But anybody that was genuinely open to it, man, I gave them that. And I've always kind of tried to coach in that spirit. Coach, when did you know that people were really into your Tomlin-isms? We got a bunch of examples here, but was there ever like you said one and people really started laughing or really latched on to them? So, you know, I'm probably late to the recognition of it outside of my space, you know, the team. I did it very intentionally for the team, I wanted to own the responsibility of starting the workday, you know, damn it, I'll address the group to start the day, I want everybody to get their tenor from me, I want them to understand what I deem to be appropriate, maybe that week, but more importantly, that day. And so, you know, I wanted to be informational and somewhat entertaining. And so I just started doing it that way in an effort to kind of set the tone for the collective. And then as you break up into smaller groups, man, I just wanted to make the job of my assistants easier. I didn't want anybody walking around wondering what am I thinking or what's the vibe of the day or how we're going about our business today. And when the meetings get a little long, because that's a big agenda, then you better be somewhat entertaining. You know what I mean? You better say something to make people say, what did he say? You know, And so the meeting is 30, 35, 40 minutes, man. I got to deliver something. And so that's how it developed over the years, because if I wanted to own the responsibility to set the tone for the day, covering the difficult stuff, laying a framework of what was going to happen in subsequent meetings or what needed to happen on the practice field, then I'm not going, I can't be boring. You know what I mean? I got to give them a little something. And sometimes I would thoughtfully say something that's shocking, something that is a little bit inappropriate, whatever. Whatever, because I just wanted them, like, locked in. We're still squirreling these nuts. That's right. You know what I mean? Two dogs, one bone. You know, what I'm saying? Yeah. How much of this was, like research being done? Did they just, like come to you? Is it kind of a mixed bag where you were like, okay, I like what this one is over here. And sometimes it would just like be an epiphany or something like that. Really? It's a mixed bag. You know, sometimes you could be talking about sensitive subject matter. Hey, I'm looking at you two this week, man. And your work during the course of the week is going to determine who's working and who's in street clothes. Yeah. Well, you can say, you know, so what'd you say? Hey, two dogs, one bone. I like it. Everybody understands what that means. Exactly. You know, and so it's a way of making sometimes difficult conversations more digestible without without lessening what's going on. And so, like, I just did it in that way. And I got it from anywhere and everywhere, obviously. I love it. All right. We're going to do this. You mentioned how much I think one thing that's clear from all the players I know to play for you and hearing you today. You have just an amazing relationship with so many of your players. We're going to name a player. We want you to give us your favorite story of that player. All right? All right. All right, let's start with the biggest, baddest man I think in the Steelers. James Harrison. Hey, my favorite Debo story, as you guys know, we call him Debo. Yeah. He gets that pick six in the Super Bowl right before halftime. And I don't know that people realize, but he is down in that end zone. He is down. The half's over, you know, but he is down, okay? And so I go out there to get him, and he's, like, flat on his back. I go up there. The trainers go out their, man, and I'm like, man. Deebo, man? You all right? He was like, I'm tired, boss. Just, just, I was like man, it's halftime. It's cool. It's just so James Harrison, man you know? That's so good, man. Yeah, he's got my welcome to the NFL moment. He's one of those guys where he's intimidating, but at the same time, you have so much respect for him that you always feel his presence on the field, no matter where he is, man? The thing that I used to say about him, man, like, he is built for football. Like, you cannot stop him from going where he wants to go on the football field. You might slow him down momentarily, But, like, he just, man, like. He sets that rip in. He's just an ass kicker. It's over. That rip gets set. You ain't stopping it. You might slow him down momentarily, but wherever he's going on the football field, that's where he's going. We had him in the Super Bowl at the tail end of his career in New England. And I just remember after the first drive, we get back to the bench, and Halapuliaty Vitae was starting at left tackle because J.P. was hurt. And we're like, hey, how's it going over there? He's like, Hey, he's strong. and lower body right he puts that out in out on you yes it starts ripping that thing and start a and the rest of it is below the waist the rest stuff is below the waist man it is absolutely and it's only a matter of time before he gets from a to b there you go i gotta ask you about one of my tight ends uh darnell washington the big dog out of Georgia man it is so fun to watch him play you got any good stories hey um you know talking about building relationships man always get out on the road in the spring I go to pro days that's my thing um and always take people out to eat the night before I just you know if I'm gonna do business with somebody as I said man I want to get to know them and Georgia's been one of my spots over the years and so I took a collection of those guys out to dinner and I made Darnell sit beside me and man he didn't say two words the whole meal you know what I mean yes you seem like a quiet guy man he doesn't say a word you know what I means but everybody loves him they look to him for a response I watch the group dynamics right you know they look to him for response if he's laughing then it's cool you know what i mean and i just loved i just love how how endeared how endearing he is how his teammates felt about him even though like he didn't have anything to say and that's who he is like he doesn't say much but everybody loves him because there's a spirit about him he's good people um he's a good teammate he's hard working he loves football like it's just it's he's an interest in study in that way that that he's the quietest guy in the room but but people gravitate to him does he know he could make probably 15 million dollars a year more by playing left tackle like what is he doing still playing tight end what do we because it's electric he's heard that from me my thing is my thing i didn't want to be i didn' t want to be the one responsible for the transition. I'm trying to figure out why it didn't happen at 17. Right. That's some good shit. Let's go Troy Polamalu. Baby Jesus. Troy is beautiful, man. Like, the thing I love about Troy is if you look at his play, you would have no idea of his personality, you know? When his sons were little, man, he'd always have them around and, man, they were terrors, man. They were building up. And Troy is just so patient, you know, like Paisios, his oldest boy, I think he's committed to Stanford right now. And those boys have grown up nice, man。 They were training camp ball boys in their teenage years. And it's funny to watch how they smoothed it all out. But when they were little, man., they were hell on wheels. And Troy just like, Paisio, please. he was so patient man and and but that's who he is man uh i used to i used to laugh because man his boys man they were they were they were real boys that's that's too good man i gotta ask about a guy that you mentioned could be an nfl head coach right now ryan clark you got some good stuff on ryan i do uh you know how i'm always you know i'm a truth teller i I just, you know, I just I respect how short careers are and how urgent this business is. And so I just speak in truth. And sometimes it could be biting and I might say it in a matter of fact way, but I don't mean any harm by it. I'm just being truthful. The first time I sat down with Ryan Clark, I was like, man, you've been a journeyman. I want to make this a stay for you man that you identify as a stealer man the rest of your life and I didn't think anything about it it was years later before he told me that he was offended that I called him a journeyman I'm like man you got a couple of helmets in your basement but this is going to be this is gonna be the helmet whatever you said to him it clicked baby cause he I mean he's a stealER that's all I know man hey man he is a stealer man um man you're talking about like this guy's like this guys like ryan clark man that that that make that make football dangerous you know like that that dude didn't care about his own well-being and that's that's scary you know no his his highlights is what i mean highlights what he wouldn't be able to do in today's football is fucking electric man All gas, no brakes, man. Like, he had a sickle cell trait, man, and we had a big game in Denver, and he wanted to play, and the docs didn't want him to play. And so we had big meeting in the conference room, and he and his wife, Yanka, come walking in the room, and we're going to kind of hash it out, and he wants to kindof put together a plan where he could maybe play maybe a limited number of snaps, blah, blah. When they walked in the room, I saw the look on his wife's face. I was just like, bro, you're not playing. I just think that's what we're called to do. We need to protect those from themselves that need to be protected from themselves. Ryan was just one of those guys. Ryan was willing to die for it. As a leader, you better recognize that. You better do what's right. and I always wanted to do that, I'll never forget Yonka walking in that room and the look on her face, man. I wanted to get out of the room. I'm like. I don't want nothing to do with this. You know the cool thing, man? You know how football justice is, man, you do what's right. We go win the game. The guy that starts for him, Tyrone Carter, is AFC Defensive Player of the Week. Oh, my gosh. How about it, man! Isn't it beautiful? That's crazy. Yeah. Like, he has a big game, a pick, and all of that. And we won the game, and the guy that played for him was AFC Defensive Player of the Week. Man, if I was Ryan, I would have been coming to you. See, Coach, I could have been AFC Player of The Week. So, I see you know Ryan. Yeah! But ask Yaka. Ask his wife. You know what I mean? You already know. You had to make the right decision. I love R.C. R.T. has been great. R.C. was one of the guys that welcomed me to the broadcasting booth when I went over to Monday Night Football. You could tell the intensity at which he broadcasts. I'm like, I would have loved to play football with this dude right here because this dude, it ain't no bullshit. He's all about it. There's guys like him that make it a dangerous game. It was never for play for him. It was for real. I love that shit. Hold on, hold on. I got to ask you about Alejandro. I told you before the show I got asked you. Oh, yeah. And Alejandro on the show, Alejandro Villanueva, for those of you watching, he said you're selling yourself short as a head coach and that you should run for president. Just to put that out there before. Give us Alejandro, Villanuelva story for us. Hey, my favorite thing to mess with Al, I'm like, Al, we're done honoring you for your services. You know what I mean? Because when he first came to us, man, I was just enamored by his service, man. You know, you have Salute to Service and, you know, Veterans Day, Memorial Day. I didn't let any of them days pass by without acknowledging that, hey, we got a guy sitting in here, man that's got a commitment that we don't know any damn thing about, man like all you can do is appreciate it. but after he was there for a while i'm like al we're done honoring you for your service he just thought that was the funniest thing ever some good shit baby it's so good we got one more segment for you big guy we can get you out of here man this has been too much fucking fun uh it's called we gotta ask you don't gotta answer you tell us to kick rocks but we gotta ask uh the first one first one i got for you is uh 2022 afc wild card game steelers at chiefs Chiefs are up 21. What is this? Oh, man. No, I can't ask this, Jason. You got to ask this. All right, 2022 AFC Wild Card Game, Steelers and Chiefs. Chiefs up 21 at the start of the fourth quarter. Chiefs run a trick play with Travis throwing a touchdown pass. This is a bullshit, man, man? Is this a dick move? I don't know. You're telling me. This is bullshit. This is bullshits. Hey, no, man! It's not their responsibility to keep the score down. Like, I have never been sensitive in that way, man。 Like, I understand some people are, but for me, like, I never wanted to hold somebody else responsible for me stopping them. Like, like I've been competing against Andy, man, since I was in my 20s. I was at Tampa. He was in Philly. Like, Like I know the red zone creativity, man. I just I know. I know you better stop the shovel. Don't get beat to the flat, etc. Like, and so, like, that was very much in character. And the score of the game is irrelevant, man. I'm responsible for keeping the game competitive. All right, I want to ask you one that's a better memory for you, probably. When we were playing you guys with TJ, you guys were on this fucking defense where TJ would get up and he would be like a Roman monster. And we put so much time into, like – Is he going to fit in the A-gap? Is he gonna end up on the edge? Is he Gonna – And every week, it'd be something, like… I want know, just as a football person, Was this structured or was this like, hey, TJ, just go fucking do whatever you want? Or was this formation dependent? Like, how did you guys get to running that? It was it was both. It was called Rover, first of all. And when you got a special guy, man, you got to give them the latitude. They're like artists, like like some things they do. They can't articulate. They do it like breathing. And I just learned long ago that you don't put restrictions on that. You try to create a space where that happens organically. And so he's just an example of that, the rover structure that you're talking about. But it was the same thing with Troy Polamalu, man. That's what it felt like. Just a different form of it, but the same. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Like, you know, man, we got a guy like that. Like, man... Take the handcuffs off of him, man! Like, to me, like, that rigid coaching, that uncompromising coaching, you know, I don't view it as the best coaching. Like, man, you look at the tools that you have to work with and then you make plans accordingly. And when those tools are special, man. Man, that's not a challenge. That's an opportunity. And so, man it's cool to create opportunity for guys like that, man to put their instincts, their talents, their feel for the game and stuff on display. Well, it used to drive us nuts, Coach, because we'd be sitting there. We'd be running. You draw up all the runs for the week, and you know what, okay, if it's an under front, we're doing this. If it's a over front, мы're doing это. If it is a weak rotation, we are doing that. And then we'd have to spend so much time on this T.J. Watt package. He's like, I don't know what this fucking front is. I don'T know where he's going, what's happening. Then the wheels unblocked because he ends up on the weak side one time. and then he ends up strong and the safety's unblocked, it would give us a ton of issues, especially the short yardage version of it. Hey, I'll tell you this, man. I learned that flexibility as a very young coach, man, like we're in Tampa and we got Simeon Rice, man and he's an open side edge rusher, man he's the best on the planet at the time he is an absolute monster. You know, sometimes, man he might end up in the C gap sometimes he might ended up in B gap or whatever in terms of where runs the show, like I'm the secondary coach. I'm like, I don't care what gap he ends up in. We'll cover him. We'll make him run. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we'll cover them because what he has, we can't coach, man. Like I don'T care what Gaffey plays, man, Lynch will be the down safety. I'm Like Lynch, if he ends Up in the B, play the C. If he's in the C, you play the B. But do not mess with that guy, man because he's laying the quarterback down 16 times a year, man and – And he's the best cover guy we got. You know what I mean? I love it, man. And that's what I meant when I was talking about earlier. Like, when you're around great players, like, it's challenging as a coach, man, the growth associated with being around great plays. Great players, man is a beautiful thing. We don't talk about it enough. You know, we talk about how players learn from coaches, man when you got great players, um, man you grow as a Coachman. Number one, because you don't want to let them down. But number two, they do things that others don't. And the challenge is, how do you teach others to do it? You know what I mean? Absolutely. Yes. We got one more question for you. We ask everybody, what was your welcome to the NFL moment, Coach? Hey, the very first preseason game, my coach is a secondary coach, man. We were playing the Miami Dolphins, man, we lost the game on a Hail Mary. Oh, my gosh. Hey, hey. The very first one. The very very first game. Oh, no. The very first game, we lost to the Hail Mary. Like a legitimate Hail Mary last play of the game. It was the first preseason game. But the funny thing, I was new to the league, man. I was shocked how it just rolled off of everybody else's back. I was devastated. I was – I was devastating. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You're taking it so serious. Bro, like it was – you know what i mean? It was my first – You spent so much time to get there. Everything is culminated to finally be in the NFL. I was devastated, man. Tony Dudgee was my boss. I don't even think he even mentioned it, man, we just like, oh, game's over. I was crushed, man., I sat in my car in the parking lot for about 15 minutes, you know what I mean? Oh, my God. Like, how did it just end up like this? This ain't what it's supposed to be like. This is crazy. Man, that's too good. Coach, we can't thank you enough, man,. This has been awesome. You're a one-on-one person, one-to-one coach, incredible career. So excited to keep watching you on Sunday, do your thing over there on NBC. Appreciate you so much as the old ball coach and as a person. Thanks for hopping on the show. Yeah, appreciate the time and the stories, man. No, man, it's an honor to be with you guys, man。 I just, I got one brother, man., and that's my brother. And I just love the brother component of what you guys do and how you do it. I got two sons. They're 13 months apart. And man, they're thick as thieves, man. I just, I love watching y'all do what y'All do and how you do it. You do it together. That resonates with me, man, y'ALL keep doing it. All right. You know it, coach. You got it, Coach. You know, bro. Take care. Thank you to our partner, Royal Caribbean. 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You're fucking an ox tree. I don't want to hear it from you. Oh, what? What's the good of saying? I got everybody in Duval County fucking mad at me. And I'm like, I was cheering on Parker Washington. I fucking said multiple calls and fucked up. I was doing my best. I got everyone in Pitt screaming at me because we weren't nice enough to their volleyball player. Jesus. I grunted. I granted when you guys went second and 18. Whatever. Let's go. Fuck. Move on. Yeah, let's just go to the room. Who's mad at you guys? I got Pitt volleyball fans mad at me because we didn't address that the volleyball player who spiked that ball in the girl's face last year is like a two-time player of the year. I forgot to mention it. I'm sorry, Pitt. Hail to Pitt. That's on me. I made you this little lantern. I made your lantern, Pitt, that's a nice lantern. All right, let's do plays, top 10. You guys know the rules. You each get a veto, blind rank one through 10. Let's get going. We actually had a fan. we had a fan submit he wants to be part of top 10 and this is from trey george kittle this is from tre this is at at mr z1 pcod3 rolls right off the tongue i just peeked in front of my son you got this great play regardless of situation but the fact that he does it in front of his son i mean that's like all time like that kid is gonna remember that forever on how awesome his dad is he's gonna know that he's got that the bloodline he just made his kid better that's right that's right i'm going this is without being able to look at another one this is a top i go three three or two trap what do you want to go i think four i think for is fair i think four is fair four is fare all right we're gonna keep moving burned in his child's head forever all right jason this is your shot at redemption we're going to go to the eagles at jags eagles you know which play i'm pulling up parker washington parker fucking washington i mean it's an electric fucking play oh my god look the high stuff at the end electric the guy is fucking balling man he's a good player man that is a tough corner over there man that is a rough corner yes it is listen i uh i jumped the call with dave calling this like i couldn't hold back like oh it was that electric when it happened in person so um i think this is i'll go two on this one i don't think i just want to leave one open in case there was another just in case yeah there definitely is i'll say two two's good one two all right hopefully duval's happy with you now all right we're gonna go to chicago green bay christian watson he's having a hell of a year i i secretly love these fucking green bay unis a spectacular catch made by watson let me show let me share the high the slow motion angle dude jordan love went on a fucking streak here in this game that was insane yeah it was right on top of the head ah god i mean it's a banger i give it a i'll give it a five or four or three i guess five or three i mean that's a really good i'll let you call five or three i'm good with you five five five five i think we got some more juice i think i got two two top tiers all right all right i'm gonna keep moving travis a little flashback for you we go to game five of the lds lds now again we cannot show baseball highlights you guys gonna see a nice little picture of this play but we're gonna go to the spanish call jose ramirez it's so much better that dude has so much fun playing baseball man it is it's infectious where are we ranking jose look at it look at him pick that off the ground god i mean it's an insane they said it was it was 0.74 feet off the ground that's crazy insane where we going i mean for me this is a three this is a three what do you think i think three's good three's a solid one nice i love it shout out to the spanish call spanish calls always way better all right let's keep it moving to new england got afton chisholm making his second appearance in the top 10 with a little with a lot of travis kelsey magic oh this was solid this was valid i like this work hey just got it i like it i Like it i Lik3rd and 11 knowing where the ball players are that you guys got me but you don't got him easy first baby you keep it on his upfield shoulder though bud keep it on his upfield shoulder you think you gotta like you think you gotta throw it back but really you just gotta throw it down the line you just got to throw it down the line that way you can keep him running get him another nice head start it's good stuff though it's great stuff i like where this kid's head's at where are we ranking it it's either one or six we've used all the good ones up that's the thing do you think do you think it's a called play they said no no okay everybody said is not i love that about him yeah i like it now now it might be one i can give you a ball i'll give it one oh wow i have to we love a good lateral i'm pro lateraling imagine if we did that on every play was afton number one last week too let's go five let's go five all right let's do five there's gonna be like a game winning situation yeah can i give you a variable quote uh he was asked about this play and he said quote he's just acting like kelsey he's making shit up as he goes like this is what we're gonna do now chis we're just gonna go rogue he's a ball player i love it shout out the three two for uh staying alive over there in the flat all right let's go to detroit arizona another tight end trey mcbride see this was nasty this was fucking set and the cardinals reset jump ball for mcbride he got some good play i see you brandon all right you started to really fucking throw some plays in there man just go to tight ends like this is the best list i've ever seen this is there's so many good plays in this week where we going try mcbright juggling literally it can't be seven it can'T be god damn it this the point this is the thing with blind rankings this is why it's hard placed out of order do you think there's anything better than this in week one i don't think so when i thought i liked the plays this was the play that i thought of i mean to me the best play of the week is by devon hamilton from jacksonville snapping a field goal game winning kick that was the highlight play of me stop no way a deep tackle having to snap the ball out of nowhere whatever jason you don't talk about where are we going i'm saying this is one oh okay all right fine one oh Okay, all right. Okay. That a white trite. We have three plays left this year. We're gonna move it on to Pittsburgh. We talked about this guy with coach Darnell Washington blocking through the whistle. I mean he he does this every game. He does this every game yeah i love it i love it just taking him to the water god damn just taking it to the water coolers he's so good he can make so much more money as a tackle i don't know i kind of like him in this situation i mean i like watching it too more i just don't Know i mean if i was illegal can you can you make a guy ineligible can you say oh you can't you can actually why don't we just do that just do what they do is just like all right we want you to play left tackle now all right um i mean it's got to be eight yeah it's fine yeah we are going to niners seahawks mike evans who had a hell of a day but i'm not showing highlight reels i'm showing my favorite thing he did that day you're gonna go with the jersey check this is hilarious continues there's trayvon digs we see mike evan the jersey cheque from mike evance that ain't right i love it good that's great i mean it's it's top 10 talking shit but i don't think it's a top 10 play i'll give it 10 you can veto it 10 or veto 10 or Vito i do either whatever you want i do think it'S very funny so i'll go 10 10 it is we're gonna go to uh where's my next one all right i sent you guys this one on instagram i want to rank this one we are going to go to winsome winston-salem state university the groundskeeper oh this was fucking ridiculous but this dude clearly just not giving a fuck i see i respect the effort though there's no way this is real it is real they have addressed it winston-salem has said they're going to do better how do we feel the winston's winston salem state university groundskeeper you can veto it i did just want to show it to you i fucking love this this is atrocious um what are we doing i think are we going nine we giving this guy the nine spot i mean i think i think you have to commend him for just not giving a fuck so i think we do go nine i think he literally took 300 steps if there was a top 10 for not giving a fuck about your job this would be one that's what i was and that'll get you that'll get you number nine on our top ten highlights yeah he's paid hourly last one last one oh man i got a couple on here that i do want to go through all right last one we're gonna go to minnesota new orleans some of those run lanes as a quarterback jefferson trying to get free double coverage hotel kid trying to make the i mean that's nasty i think it's a perfect seven i think he's a perfectly seven perfect seven he does this a lot kyla murray and jefferson man if they if they get hot they don't need a lot they don'T NEED A LOT OF OFFENSE EVERY GAME BUT THAT'S THE THING IF THESE TWO GET HOT MAN THAT'S GONNA GET WILD ALL RIGHT THAT IS OUR TOP 10 ALL RIGHT WHAT DID I FUCK UP WHAT DID i fuck up what did i miss you did a great job i mean the long snapper you missed but it was a great joke yeah the thing is is backup long snaper i don't understand how the d lineman is the guy like i've never heard of a d line like it's either a backup like tight wide receiver somebody who's a specialist that knows how to throw a football yep like a d end isn't even in like the cards it was a nose guard he was 330 pounds travis he must have had some center back in his day and they just felt comfortable with him getting it to the he did I know it didn't. He was better on the punts than he was the field goals. Yeah, he was high on the field goes. All I'm saying is I just – I feel like to nobody else, like, yeah, just have another guy go in there and snap it. I've seen it ruin games. Like we had my man Brent Selleck do it. He rolled one back there, and we stopped even doing punts. We just kept going for it up, for it down. Like this is – you have no idea the pandemonium that goes on on the sideline when the starting snapper goes down for punts and field goals? a thousand percent i'm ready a thousand percent i've always ready have you guys never lost your snapper no we haven't yeah wait till it happens look at the way he's like holding this shit it's fucking all that bullshit on his hands exactly are we giving that guy it's he killed it he killed it on the punt he crushed it the field goals though man you got to keep that ass down bud keep this snap low the problem is you can't put your ass down when you're that big because this is something i learned when the only way you can look between it is to put your ass that high up in the air. Do you look between your legs? I used to. I'll give it a peek just to see where he's at. I can't do it anymore. Listen, listen, I'll say this. The punter's got to be ready to fucking go anywhere, all right? This isn't going to be like a, you know what I mean? This is going to Be, we're getting this off, you Know? You might even need to, like, take one step closer, you have a different stance than the tall, waiting for that thing to get right in your pocket. like you know i mean like we gotta we gotta accommodate what's about to happen here no doubt in terms of the the short snap though i mean that's tough to it's just like you said to be able to keep the ass low and to look at the same time is damn near impossible you almost got to just like yeah either way i'll give it um well that does it for new heights top 10 brought to you by raising canes and that does It for the show that wraps up another episode of new hides Thank you to Mike Tomlin. Once again, New Heights, a wonderful show brought to you by Allstate. You're in good hands with Allstate, follow the show on all social media, add New Heights show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Mike T gave us a bunch of bangers. So I can't wait to see what Jets Jake cooks up this week. Thanks to our New Heights production team. And thanks again to all you 92% of tuning in. We'll see you guys next week. Peace. I feel like if you drink too much Cleveland tap water, it's going to decrease performance too many weeks in a row. So that would make sense that they were struggling a little bit being at home for an extended period. Something in the water, baby. The tap water in Cleveland tastes good to me. It tastes different. Is that good? Something in water. Look at you, man. Yeah, but is there something? I know there's something, and I can taste it. There's something. But is there Something Good or is there Some Bad? I can't tell that. No, it's good. It's good tap water. Yeah. they tell you it's it's good to not have like too much purified water you need some pathogens come on baby you need something you gotta build up that immune system what's your we should do what's preferred water taste you have bottled water um the like paper cardboard water canned water you have uh tap water and then you have hose water all right be honest listen what's fucking hilarious i'm gonna go i'm gotta go bottled water first i'm not a i'm not a box water or carb that's box water is obviously the last way down i'll literally like steer away from like no i'm not thirsty anymore actually i'll say this i think the water out of a can tastes better the issue with the can that the bottle has is that you can put the top back on it once you open the can you're kind of stuck with it but i like a cold can when i put it to my lips and the water goes in super refreshing i wish there was a way to reclose it but so i put bottle and can they got aluminum they got aluminium uh bottle tops they do they do at the uh ballparks that's actually a good salt for sure so yeah box water's at the bottom tap water then then bottle and pan the thing are we talking to say tap water we're talking about hose water well both tap water and hose water is different than tap water the thing about hose water i mean it is it's whatever i'm whenever i'm drinking out of a hose i am fucking thirsty i am fucking parched typically probably been outside a long time the last time i remember doing it i was probably just getting done running full gassers at cleveland heights high school so i was gasping for like i need something to refresh and replenish and then you drink the and the water comes out like you could fucking choke the fuck out of some of those water and uh so i feel like you naturally get more of a like it's not even just the taste it's also where you're at mentally and the whole process of it so what is your ranking i am so i'm going bottle bottle tap can hose cardboard are you serious i'm gonna go on all right cardboards at the bottom yeah then i'd probably put tap then i put can and bottle i'll put them tied at two because i think they both have their places uh i think hose water is a clear winner like i hose water hose water is like euphoric like there's like a there's a taste that's coming in me that like invigorates my entire body when i'm drinking hose water and i think you're right part of it probably is that you're outside the tot like you're just the gassers whatever it is i whatever it ist all i know is i instantly get put into that mode anytime i taste the microplastics and petroleum products that are melting in the summer sun and like infused in that water the moment it gets into my lips i'm like oh my god that is good oh if you could bottle hose water and the fda didn't ban it i would drink it every day of the week it's like it's so good that's a banger all right well there's something in the water man Thank you.