Fluor Corporation Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call - FLUOR CORP

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to FLOOR's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow management's presentation. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star1 again. A web replay of today's conference call will be available at approximately 10.30 a.m. Eastern time today, accessible on Floor's website at investor.floor.com. At this time, for opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Jason Lane-Kamer, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, Operator. Good morning, and welcome to Floorís 2026 Third Quarter Earnings Call. Jim Brewer, Floorís Chief Executive Officer, and John Regan, Floorsí Chief Financial Officer, are with us today. Floor issued its Third Quarter earnings release earlier this morning and a slide presentation is posted on our website that we will reference while making prepared remarks before getting started i would like to refer you to our safe harbor note regarding forward-looking statements which is summarized on slide two during today's presentation we will be making forward- looking statements which reflect our current analysis of existing trends and information there is an inherent risk that actual results and experience could differ materially you can find a discussion of our risk factors which could potentially contribute to such differences in our 2025 Form 10-K and our Form 10Q, which was filed earlier today. During this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these amounts to the comparable GAAP measures are reflected in today's slide presentation and posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.floor.com. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jim Brewer, Floor's Chief Executive Officer. Jim? Thank you, Jason. And good morning, everyone. This was another strong quarter with record awards, a growing backlog, and continued capital returns to shareholders. I'd like to start by sharing some observations from the Fluor Supply Chain Summit that we hosted this quarter in Greenville, South Carolina. Please turn to slide three. The summit, now in its third edition, brought together 230 vendors and contractors from around the world, alongside clients and Fluor leaders. It was an opportunity to align our partners on upcoming projects and on the collaboration needed to deliver them for our shared clients. Over the next four years, Fluor plans to spend approximately $50 billion in procurement and contracts on our projects. And as we look to grow our business, we will rely on our supply chain relationships to help us turn new opportunities into successful project delivery. We're executing projects in an uncertain environment. Geopolitical risk, tight labor markets, rising costs, and logistics disruptions demand an agile and resilient supply of goods and services. Engaging early in project planning with contractors and vendors helps us anticipate constraints and build more credible estimates, schedules, and execution plans. These efforts matter because of what our clients need. A well thought out capital efficient execution plan before committing a project and delivery certainty once execution begins. The summit reinforced that our supply chain partners are ready for the challenge. We have strong relationships built over multiple projects and we see the opportunity to extend those relationships across new projects in different business lines turning to slide four we had some significant accomplishments during the quarter first we're experiencing robust growth new awards were 10.9 billion a record for floor and backlog is now 34.3 billion the highest level we've seen this decade These projects will ramp up to full execution over the next two years, solidifying our future earnings growth, and we have additional meaningful awards expected in the near future. Second, our capability to execute megaprojects is an important differentiator. Our resume, our people, systems, and footprint set us apart in the marketplace. And I'll discuss this in greater detail in a minute. And finally, we are steadfast in our approach to capital allocation. We're investing in capabilities and creating shareholder value. Turning to slide five, urban solutions. Here are a few highlights for the quarter. New awards were $2 billion, headlined by two copper projects in Chile. Our strategy in mining is producing tangible results, and the need for capacity expansion is clear. Clients want a partner that can carry a project from early engineering through construction with a special focus on supply chain, as I mentioned earlier. Looking ahead in the near term, we're well positioned for the release of a multi-billion dollar copper project in south america where we are already doing early work this will be the first large award coming out of our 30 billion dollar mining pipeline that we mentioned last quarter in the data center market we recently announced a contract with terawolf for the development and construction of a three building site in kentucky we expect to recognize an award for the first two buildings in the fourth quarter upon finalization of pricing in life sciences we're executing feasibility studies for several clients including a new facility for buyer we expect these studies to develop into larger awards as we progress through 2027. finally in infrastructure we continue to work off our remaining legacy projects I-35 Phase II is on track to open its main lanes by year end. An LA People mover should complete shortly thereafter. On this project, we and our project partners are working collaboratively with LAWA to ensure the safe completion of systems demonstration to support passenger service availability. Moving to slide six. In Energy Solutions, our next growth cycle is beginning with the LNG Canada Full Notice to Proceed, which we booked in the third quarter for $7.5 billion. I'm pleased with how we collaborated with a client in these negotiations, resulting in a favorable outcome for both sides. The execution plan reflects the benefits of extensive replication, and the contract incorporates valuable learnings from phase one related to labor availability geopolitical risk and other events outside of contractor control working alongside our jv partner we are now in full execution mode and are off to a strong start in power momentum continues to build where we're performing planning work on a large gas fuel facility. With this client, we're finalizing the EPC contract for the first of what could be several plants. Our near-term portfolio looks promising, and we expect several EPC contracts next year. Now, specific to nuclear power, under the Chernivota project, our JV team is finalizing LNTP phase and positioning the project for for a full release sometime in late 27 or early 28. Additionally, in nuclear, I'm pleased to share that we continue to expand our relationship with X Energy with a new award for a project at the Hanford site. This is our second project that will utilize this SMR technology. And in anticipation of the next wave of nuclear development, we continue deepen our engagement with multiple technology providers support the pipeline of projects ahead in domestic refining we're seeing a resurgence in front-end activity in addition to the work for america first refining which grew this quarter we're also supporting other major u.s refiners in advancing the early phases of their expansion projects as i noted last quarter we expect this front-hand work to translate into epc opportunities in 2027 and 2028 we're also positioning for the emerging opportunities in the Middle East and Venezuela in the middle east we remain engaged with our clients and anticipate more clarity in 20 27 on new work these opportunities would be incremental to our current work across all three segments and in Venezuela we're taking steps to reestablish our presence including a local partnership as a reminder we have a long history of delivering energy projects in Venezuela turning to mission solutions on slide 7 we continue to ramp up on our nuclear fuels work and booked additional scope on the EPC project we announced last quarter we also recognize a six-month extension of our management and operations scope at Savannah River and we anticipate a decision on the new contract early next year and we're encouraged by the recent announcement from the nnsa approving the start of full-scale construction on the savannah river plutonium processing facility before i turn the call over to john i want to spend a moment discussing what is one of our key strengths in the marketplace our capability to execute mega projects projects. Please turn to slide 8. At Fluor, we are proud to execute projects of all sizes, but our skill set to execute very large projects sets us apart and is a market differentiator. For perspective, our prospect pipeline in the next two years includes 25 megaprojects with an average size of $4.5 billion and were well positioned to capture many of them. Megaprojects required a different level of capability, and the complexity grows exponentially with size. They demand the ability to move seamlessly from front-end development through engineering and into construction, supported by a global supply chain team and experienced leadership and a trained workforce. Success takes rigorous project controls and risk management, and the financial strength to ensure delivery over multiple years. Fluor brings these capabilities together, a global footprint, proven tools and systems, a resume spanning six continents, and teams who have delivered some of the world's largest and most complex projects. and we continue to evolve and improve. We're investing in AI, in our ERP replacement, and in our project of the future initiative to strengthen the tools and systems required to plan and execute projects. The goal is to deliver greater project certainty and to reduce cost and schedule for our clients. And for our shareholders, our mega project capability allows us to be selective, pursue work that fits our core strengths, and generate attractive returns. With that, I'll turn the call over to John. Thanks, Jim. Good morning, everyone. Today, I'd like to cover a few topics, including Q3 results, capital allocation, plus our outlook for the balance of 26, and some early framing for 2027. Let's start with consolidated results on slide 10. For the third quarter, revenue was $3.7 billion, up from $3,4 billion a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA was $142 million compared with $161 a year. And adjusted EPS was 77 cents compared with 68 cents last year. Our EPS metrics benefit from the 32 million shares that we have retired over the past 12 months. As a reminder, the prior year gap results for Q3 included a $653 million revenue reversal related to the Santos Court ruling, so the year-over-year gap results are not meaningful on a stand-alone basis. Our 26 gap results also include the $73 million gain on Ecoflur, our former JV in Mexico. I'll put some perspective around what the sale means for next year a bit later. New awards were $10.9 billion led by LNG Canada, mining awards for copper, and a six-month extension for Savannah River. New awards for almost three times quarterly revenue, which significantly bolsters our expectations of future earnings growth. The remaining backlog was $34.3 billion and is now about 70% reimbursable, in large part due to the LNG Canada award. We anticipate the percentage of our reimbursed backlog to trend down to the 60s as we convert the pipeline of attractive power opportunities into backlog. Our approach to risk remains disciplined and consistent. Work continues to be an important contracting model, but we will accept fixed pricing where the returns are higher, risks are commercially balanced, and where the scope is within our proven execution capabilities. Let's look at our business segments on slide 11. Urban Solutions reported segment profit of 100 million, which is a 4.3 percent margin compared with last year's 2.6 The improvement reflected a late-stage change order on the legacy infrastructure project, improved profitability on another infrastructure project that reached a construction milestone during Q3, increased execution activity on a large life sciences project, as well as the $25 million effect in 2025 for delays at LBJ. Q3 results in 26 also included $25 million for a charge on a mining project, the same project that we discussed in Q1 this year. Working with our partner, we have reached a preliminary agreement on a change order that establishes the path to completing this project by mid-27. Energy Solutions reported segment profit of $93 million, including the $73 million gain for the Ecoflora sale. This means that segment profit was otherwise $20 million, or about a 3% margin. This compared with $120 million a year ago without the Santos effect. ES's profitability declined as mature projects rolled off faster than recently awarded projects entered meaningful execution. The graphic we'll show later on slide 14 illustrates how we see projects generate earnings across their execution window, including these major energy projects. Mission Solutions reported segment profit of $55 million, up from $34 million a year ago. The increase was driven by improved award fee performance across the DOE portfolio and the ramp-up of EPC execution. We ended Q3 with $3.1 billion in cash and equivalents versus $2.8 billion a year ago. That balance supports our planned share repurchases and gives us capacity to internally invest in key enablers, which will drive future growth. This includes our people and systems, plus inorganic opportunities. cash flow for the quarter exceeded expectations at $186 million. Our year-to-date operating cash usage of $21 million under GAAP includes the tax payment in Q2 for the 2025 new scale conversion, which totaled $357 million. The impact on Q4 guidance to come a little later. As it relates to our legacy projects, we did not have any funding in Q3. as the late-stage change order I mentioned offset any Q3 funding requirements. Moreover, the revised forecast now means that our remaining obligations are around $20 million and are expected to hit Q4 investing cash flow in their entirety. Turning to slide 12, our financial position remains on solid footing, and our capital allocation priorities have not changed. We will keep shareholder value creation in focus while preserving the flexibility to invest in the business. Under the current chapter of our repurchases, which began in Q4 of 24, we've spent more than $2 billion to retire our shares, including $300 million in the third quarter. This translates to more than 20% of our outstanding shares over the last 24 months. We remain on pace for $1.4 billion in repurchases for all of 26. Turning to our internal investments, we continue to build momentum with our Project of the Future and our AI initiatives. We have also made good progress on the design of our ERP replacement, and we expect to enter the detailed design phase of that transformational project by mid-27. Collectively, these will represent a profound step forward in our technology and will streamline both our execution playbook and the internal efforts arising from project execution. Separately, we continue to evaluate selected inorganic opportunities, but it looks increasingly like it's a 2027 consideration. With that context, let's turn to guidance beginning on slide 13. We are maintaining our full year 2026 adjusted EBITDA guidance of $500 to $525 million, which implies a full year adjusted EPS range between $2.70 and $2 and $0.80, given our expected share repurchase tempo. We conditioned both of these ranges last quarter when we announced the divestiture of EcoFluor, so the guidance principally means continued execution against our backlog. For reference, through the first nine months of 26, we have delivered $351 million of adjusted EBITDA, so our range implies fourth quarter adjusted EBITTA of roughly $150 to $175 million adjusted EPS of about $0.85 to $0,095. Importantly, Q3 included some favorable closeouts and settlements that we don't expect to repeat in Q4, so that means real growth in recurring earnings. While some investors may dismiss these closeout efforts as one-time events, they represent the culmination of the earnings from across the project's execution, and I commend those teams for the good outcomes this quarter. Our other key full-year assumptions are outlined on the slide, including an adjusted operating cash flow of $430 to $460 million, full- year new awards book-to-burn ratio potentially approaching 1.4 times, with FID on some megaprojects over the next few months, but in any case would be well above 1 for all of 26. G&A will be approximately $180 to $190 million, which excludes up to $15 million in outside costs for the replacement of our ERP and for other technology and AI enhancements, which I touched on earlier. We assume a full year tax rate of 25% to 27% and a revenue split of approximately 65% urban, 20 percent energy, and 15 percent mission. Assuming these splits, we expect full-year segment margins of approximately 2.5 percent in urban, 7 percent in energy, and 6.5 in mission, all on a GAAP basis, including CFM. Most of our refreshed guidance aligns to Q2, though the G&A growth was offset by PGM growth in refreshing the overall EBITDA guidance. Before I close out Q4, one point worth connecting. The higher G&A and the higher operating cash flow guidance are directly linked. We've built the uplifted cash generation into our incentive comp projections, so stronger cash flow gave rise to higher G & A under the pay-for-performance model. Also, during late October, one of our reimbursable clients notified us of changes to its project scope. We are still evaluating the impact on backlog, but based on our early assessment, we could expect a reduction of approximately $2 billion as early as Q4. Please turn to slide 14. I'd like to put some preliminary context to next year's numbers when we compare them to the 26 outlook. For adjusted EBITDA, we expect the growth percentage to be in the low double digits compared to 26. This assumes several changes to the earnings base which I will describe, the expected gradual ramp-up of contributions from recent large awards, and the absence of the same level of closeout on major energy projects. A big factor is the sale of Ecoflour, which removes approximately $45 million of EBIT we recognized year-to-date in 26, so the growth in 27 is far higher for our retained business. Spending on Project of the Future and our ERP implementation will continue into 27, and although that spending will hit our GAAP P&L in whole or in part, they are important expenditures that define how we'll conduct business for years to come and are excluded from the year-over-year EBITDA growth target. As illustrated on the sample burn curve on the slide, our recent megaproject awards will enter the earnings stream in 27, but large projects generally take two years to approach peak earnings. These megaprojets also execute over longer horizons than the work they are replacing, with peak activity starting in 2028. We expect earnings to build as these projects move into full execution. Furthermore, our rewards pipeline remains strong heading into 2027 when we expect a book to burn greater than one. We also plan to continue share repurchases, anchored around half of expected annual free cash flow. We'll be adding to these preliminary 2027 views during February's call. To summarize our thinking coming out of Q3, the core business remains healthy. We delivered record new awards, simplified the portfolio, substantially advanced completion on legacy projects, and continue to direct value to our shareholders. And with that, we're ready to open the line for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question, and if you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Sanjita Jain from KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. So I want to ask about the TerraWolf Award that you recently announced that you will book in 4Q. Maybe you can share the sizing of that award and whether there is further up-sizing prospects in that award beyond the first three buildings. Good morning, Sangeeta. Thanks for the question. This is Jim. Yeah, we're excited about entering that project. It would be, for the first two buildings, a low single-digit multi-billion award. There's a third building at the site that is being estimated and therefore released a little bit later. And we're also in conversations with that client for potentially other sites. So yeah, it could grow. The focus right now is on the first buildings, followed by the third building at the Kentucky side. Got it. And then on the operating cash flow in third quarter and the outlook, can you help us on what is driving that stronger outlook and the potential M&A targets that you're looking at for 2027? Good morning. Thank you. It's Reagan. So operating cashflow a really good story in the quarter and in in the outlook so during the coin and it lays across all three segments so i'll talk about what's in the rear viewer rear view mirror and what's to come so uh during the quarter with respect to urban solutions it was uh in-flight projects and working capital better working capital management across the portfolio maybe with a little bit of a concentration in ATLS. So that was fantastic. On the energy solutions side of things, the ultimate liability and funding of the warranty exposure at LNG was much lower than we had expected coming out of Q2. So our ability to work that down with less cash meant we were able to dividend out more of that money so that money came to us again in quarter three at a larger quantum that than we had expected at the time of the q2 print and then on the mission solutions side as we said in the kind of the ebada bring down for them they had excellent fee scores across the doe portfolio and so when the federal government wrapped up its fiscal year in september our fee scores were much better, and so that hit earnings in Q3, but will give us a tailwind on the cash flow when we make collection of that in Q4. Does that all hang together? Yeah, that's very helpful. Thank you. Yeah. And then on the inorganic opportunities, look, I think we continue to look to build to our depth and to to add to kind of the the earnings you know earnings growth that we're expecting you know clearly we're we're flush with cash in terms of being able to make those acquisitions but just haven't been able to get them across the goal line be increased in focus over over the next few quarters and as I signaled in the prepared statements we'll look for something a little more transparency there in 2027. Perfect. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning and congrats on all the awards. Obviously, the election is topical this week. I'm curious if you can just discuss the election impact on data center and your energy business and perhaps your booking opportunities more broadly and curious what conversations you've had with customers in the last couple of days? Good morning, Steve. This is Jim. Yeah, we're obviously following the implications of the election very closely. I think we need to let the dust set a little bit. We're looking at potential impacts on energy data centers etc etc but I think if you step back a little bit the markets that we pursue Steve whether it's in the mission space or the private sector space most of them have bipartisan support yes there's a little bit of growing concerns around the data center ecosystem but we feel that the data Center work that we have today and the power work that we that we're hoping to book in the next few months is pretty resilient and I also take it even further back around Fluor's diversity of markets whether it's domestic or international copper life sciences manufacturing iron ore we feel pretty good that our diversity is working us we're not overly exposed to some of the concerns that are out there on the positive side both sides of the aisle are very uh determined to work on permitting reform i think that the permitting reform momentum that's filling in the country is going to do well for some of the work we're pursuing so i think on and all uh yeah there are some areas of attention but we don't expect any significant impact on our on our company's trajectory okay that's helpful then maybe drilling into the uh the gas fired opportunity talked about some of the larger opportunities there. I assume those are all combined cycles. Can you just talk about what still has to happen to book those? And then can you talk about any simple cycle opportunities you might have? To what extent are any potential customers reaching out to you? And if not, why not? It seems like there's quite a bit of that activity going on and a need for contractors we are we are pursuing those both of those types of projects Steve we have our most matured opportunity is a combined cycle but surely thereafter we're working on two simple cycles for a different client that we hope to convert I would say around the middle of next year so you're right there are both types of projects out there we're pursuing both of them talking to several clients so we as i said in my remarks we expect uh several epc contracts to be live next year okay just to clarify the next few months on uh the bigger ones what what still has to happen to book those oh sorry um it's just we we're working collaborative with the clients on the estimate the execution plan and the contract terms and all that is very mature now the client in the in the case of the first project they have to go to their board for approval and once they get that approval they'll give us the go-ahead to start okay terrific thank you your next question comes from the line of andy kaplowitz from city please go ahead good morning everyone good morning good morning jim i i think we all understand that the geopolitical environment these days is quite fluid but maybe just frame this award cycle a little more uh versus what you've seen in the past i think you're going to book more than 25 billion this year I think you just said next year would be over one again in terms of book to bill do you think 27 could be similar to 26 where but the bill could be way over one and do you expect bookings to grow in 27 versus 26 despite you know obviously you booked LNG Canada which is a large project this year so Andy all good questions and questions that were analyzing and addressing as a team obviously every day so 26 is going to be a good year as you can tell we're already at 20 billion essentially at q3 and anything in q4 is additive to that we're saying as John said earlier 27 is going to be greater than one book to burn part of the challenge we have is the same story we've been telling you all along is it were we sometimes struggle defining the exact timing of these big awards so for example there's we we feel very good about a large mining award in South America coming up in the next few months it could land in q4 it could landing q1 that makes a difference when you look at the full fiscal year but it doesn't really make a difference to us the work comes in we start executing it so I don't know what the exact number for 27 will be yet we'll have more clarity in the beginning of next year I I can tell you that both years are going to be good, therefore, Backlog is going to continue to grow. And it's fairly diversified, it's gas-fired power, it is copper, it data center work, it's life sciences, it advanced manufacturing, it mission solutions, refining, it picking up. There may be a nuclear award there, so we feel good about diversity, we feel about the clear line of sight we have to these projects. The exact timing is not always up to us, but we feel good about both this year, of course, and next year. I think it comes back in large part to the board oversight that you referenced with respect to the power project, that once they get clearance from their own governance structure, that's the important hurdle for us to get over in terms of the booking. Very helpful, guys. And then we appreciate the color, the initial thoughts on 2070, but maybe can you give us a little more color on how to think about 27 from a utilization perspective? Are you still relatively underutilized as you ramp up, particularly in energy solutions? And that's part of, like, you know, the friction in terms of how quickly you can grow. And then, obviously, we're not going to talk about guidance for 28, but could you have a bigger step up? I mean, I see the chart in terms OF utilization helping margins as you go into 28, so a much bigger step-up in earnings then. Yeah, Andy, so utilization will improve in 27 and in 28. You bring up – obviously, you understand the company, and so you bring up a good point. It's not just the large EPC, EPC awards. It's also the services that we're also building up, whether it's in front-end refining work or life sciences or even some early chemicals work. The objective is not just to do the large projects, which in themselves have significant utilization, but also continue to feed and replenish the pipeline with services-only work that then will feed the EPCM awards for 28 and 29. So I do expect a gradual improvement of utilization, including in energy solutions in 27, but the big step, I think, is going to be in 28. Yeah. Agreed. And that was at the root of slide 14 that hopefully landed well with Andy. It did. Just one quick follow-up, John. Any reason why Urban was light in revenue in Q3? Did something happen there? No. I think that's just a typical burn across their portfolio. All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Hi, congratulations on a good bookings in a fairly non-eventful quarter. I guess just two questions. One, Jim, you talked about your strength in mega and you talked about 25 projects that you're looking at that have an average size of $4.5 billion. Can you just help us understand what markets largely are driving that and just interested in the competitive dynamics on these projects, how many other players you're bidding against, or is it more a function of, you know, just a function of whether or not the project goes forward, because there's not a lot of people that have the capability that Flora has. And then my second question, just on nuclear, you know, congratulations on X-Energy and the SMR. Just wondering if you can elaborate what else is to come on the nuke side, you know, whether it's traditional or SMR and just sort of the time frame associated with that. Thank you. Thanks, Jamie. Good morning. So on the megaproject portfolio, pipeline portfolio, it's copper, it's power, it' life sciences, it manufacturing, and it's both U.S. and international. So it's fairly diverse. Many of them, I can't say all the 25, but the majority of the 25 were doing the front-end work. Or we are in sole source conversations with clients in case of for example the case of these utilities so we're we're really not bidding competitively these large mega projects are more negotiated deals and the the biggest hurdle to win the work is whether the project gets approved by the clients board and it overcomes its financial hurdles as far as nuclear so So we're doing two projects with X-Energy now, and we talked about Trnavoda, so that's a conventional nuclear in Romania, and that project is now the LNTP is almost done and they're working the financial picture to hopefully go into EPC in late 27, maybe 28. that we are in conversations with two very established nuclear technology providers one in the SMR space and one in the conventional reactor space about establishing partnerships to tackle projects together so we don't have anything to announce today neither names or technologies or projects but I can tell you you would very much recognize these two names it's a go-to-market strategy as our country and other countries are getting more and more serious about building these large projects so this is a longer play uh as far as announcements probably front-end announcements in 27 and epc announcements in 28 and 29. okay and sorry just just one follow-up just as these mega projects move forward and just the constraints that there are in labor. Do you see your business model evolving more towards strategic partnerships versus work that's been more transactional historically? I'm just wondering what the implications are for potentially less cyclical earnings or more stable earnings stream opportunity going forward. No, that's exactly right. We're working hard on growth, but predictability. So whether it's in the execution of the project in partnership with other contractors or longer term account relationship with clients, there's a lot of effort on the team to try to provide more predictability to the earnings. But we're balancing that with our growth objectives. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Dudas from Vertical Research. Please go ahead. MICHAEL DUDAS, VIRTUAL RESEARCH, Good morning. Good morning, gentlemen. MICHAEL DUNAS, GOOD MORNING, MIKE. JIM, AS YOUR BOOKINGS AND THE BUSINESS EVOLVES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, IT SEEMS I think we can characterize the business right now as pretty clean. The legacy projects, thank goodness we're not going to have to talk about those much or if at all in 27. And given where your mix of reimbursable lump sum and the margins you're booking in the current and with the expected backlog, Mike, how does the positioning look from a return and margin standpoint into the next few years versus the prior large project cycles, you know, maybe with similar different end markets that Floor has executed? I'm assuming there's a much more visible and predictability in this, and maybe I'm assuming better margin accretion. Maybe you can address that. That'd be helpful. Thank you. Sure. Thanks, Mike. Let me say a couple of things here. one we are pleased with the margins of the new awards we're seeing so far we are seeing better margins in these awards than we were expecting a year and a half ago when we had our investor date Mike in early 25 so that's encouraging we're paying a lot of attention to the lump sum versus reimbursable mix we're We're seeing good margins on both, obviously they're very different, lump sum has higher margins and so that's why they're an important aspect of our portfolio. We're also working hard with our teams on improving the margins on the reimbursable work given the demand for qualified resources in the marketplace. So yeah, as we grow the company, the backlog and the revenue, that's going to help margin, going to be better utilization as we talked about but we're also driving higher margin performance on the individual projects I think over the next several years as these big projects start entering into their peak production mode if you will as John explained we expect margins to grow materially yeah so maybe I'll just append there we do expect project level margins to improve. And then certainly with the additional scale, we're going to get more absorption of the overhead. So, even bottom line margins should be expanding as we get into that peak execution window. I'm assuming, John, that with the ERP and the technology, maybe you can frame a little bit of what contribution or absorption or impact that could have in this discussion as well? Yeah, it's a great question. It's a little bit of a variable right now that's difficult to foretell, but certainly our expectations coming out of that are going to be a much leaner organization. So I think about better technologies making us more efficient in the bidding process, ultimately in the planning process, certainly in the execution and in the back office. It's just a little difficult in the moment to say it's going to trigger a 200 basis point improvement or something of that, but that's why we're so keen to get on to advance the project to the future and incorporate those learnings into the ERP design because it's very tempting what it could do to our margins, but certainly we would expect up and to the right. Excellent. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Andy Whitman from Baird. Please go ahead. Oh, great. Good morning. Thank for taking my question. I always like to just try to understand the corridor a little bit better, so that's where I'm going to go here. Particularly, I guess I wanted to start in the urban solutions segments here. And just you mentioned a couple of moving pieces um i guess i guess we do have that the joint venture mine was 25 to the to the negative uh first on that one is that a consolidated jv or unconsolidated and then you have some good guys here too uh i think you mentioned a favorable claim uh there was in the press release you talked about um a milestone achievement i guess are those good guys more than the the 25 i'm just trying to get a sense of what maybe the underlying margin of urban was and and i'd love it if you give the numbers i don't expect that you will but just understanding how they compared to the 25 bad guy um just to got to get a better understanding of what's happening there would be helpful i think yeah good morning andy um i'll take i'll tackle that one so so the project itself is a partial consolidation So it's a 50-50 joint venture. So the income statement has got the typical effects you'd see for our ownership percentage. And you are right. It was a downer in the quarter, and it was largely offset by the two things in infrastructure space. So one was on one of our projects here in Dallas. And so we were successful with change orders that did give us a positive to our earnings. Again, those were – you said claim, we said change order, so maybe I correct the record there. But those were things that we were looking to drive to conclusion before year end. And so it was a good outcome for us that we landed it in Q3 and a little bit better than we had expected in establishing the forecast or the outlook. And then on the milestone, that's a different project that hit, as we said, that milestone in Q4 and caused an overall reevaluation of effort to go. And when we did that, there was a reduction in that effort forecasted and applied against percent complete, all of which gave rise to a tailwind. I would say the totality of those three things roughly offset each other. So what you see in urban is really kind of the expectation moving into Q4 when there may be a slight uplift to what we think will come from them in Q4. that's great that's really clear i'm smiling i i didn't know if i'd get uh that fulsome of an answer and i did so thank you for that john um also i guess i wanted to on energy wanted to kind of dig in a little bit here too obviously we can see kind of the underlying segment profit there obviously i heard full notice to proceed on lngc2 obviously that's going to have a big contribution and with full notice proceed i would imagine that's gonna ramp and obviously got slide 14 that talks about the company's overall ramp but maybe just to understand how this one goes like what is what is the expected completion date uh over which we should be thinking about that seven and a half billion dollars being burnt um i think that would just give some people some framing as to how this is going to contribute to their earnings as well thank you andy this is jim so a couple of comments the the graph on that slide is intended to show a theoretical project so it's not the corporation it's a a typical large mega project so as far as lngc um the client has announced startup in the early 30s i believe first half of the 30s so you can extrapolate from that a five to six year burn yeah and and that project is a little different because we did have the sizable uh limited notice to proceed and so we're we're maybe hitting the ground running a little faster on that versus what's on uh slide 14 but it's also a really large project so um uh maybe not quite so much in in the first year so it's it's complicated but we wanted to put slide 14 out there to give us a frame to be able to comment on things like this Yep. Okay. Great. Duly noted. Thanks, guys, for your time. Have a good day and good weekend. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Fisher from UBS. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks for the follow-up. I just wanted to ask about that potential $2 billion backlog scope reduction, Jim, that you mentioned. Anything more you can say about what's driving that and and the likelihood of that happening or not yeah yeah steve go ahead go ahead yeah maybe i'll tackle it you know you know steve this is this is something that came up really late last month so it's still very much a developing story so it to change in scope on on a project and so it it's it's not as simple as a situations we've had in the past it's a project cancellation and so we know sort of with an amount of precision what that impact is so so it's still under evaluation as we said it's a reimbursable contract so so you can intuit what that what those margins might be um but we think it's in that two billion dollar range and we think we will be able to see um we'll see that those final amounts and have a d recognition going into uh quarter four but we you know it's it's more than nominal so we wanted to make sure that we were being transparent with you guys on that is to come and just in terms of is this sort of more kind of a macro uh environment kind of thing or just something company specific project specific sort of any sort of color there yeah i think it's just project specific and kind of somewhat ordinary in terms of of in-flight projects and and clients from time to time reevaluating the scope of what they what they want us to do okay thank you very much yeah sure this concludes oh uh your next with andy kaplowitz from city please go ahead Sorry, guys. John, can I just ask one follow-up there? Does your guidance then for 27, your initial guidance, like, include the impact from this project? Like, how do we think about that? Yes. So, everything that we talked about today is incorporated into that preliminary guidance. Okay. Thank you. Now this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back to Jim Brewer for closing remarks. Thank you, operator, and thank you for joining today's call. I'm very pleased with our record new awards and the health of our pipeline and excited about our ability to deliver shareholder returns in the years ahead. Thank you and have a good day. This concludes today's call. Thank you all for attending. You may now disconnect.