Herc Holdings Inc. Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call and Webcast - HERC HOLDINGS INC

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Herc Holdings' third quarter 2026 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Leslie Hunziker, Investor Relations. Leslie, please go ahead. Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. Today, we're reviewing our third quarter 2026 results with comments on operations and our financials, including our view of the industry and our strategic outlook. The prepared remarks will be followed by Q&A. Let me remind you that today's call will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on the environment as we see it today and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections. These risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to the factors identified in the press release our form 10q and our most recent annual report on form 10k as well as other filings with the sec in addition we'll be discussing non-gap information that we believe is useful in evaluating the company's operating performance reconciliations for these non-gape measures to the closest gap equivalent can be found in the conference call materials finally please mark your calendars to join our management meetings at bmp parabus's virtual global group call on november 3rd the baird global industrials conference in chicago on november 10th rothschild and company redburn's virtual ceo conference on december 1st and the melius research conference in new york on deember 9th this morning i'm joined by larry silber chief executive officer aaron birnbaum president and mark humphrey senior vice president and chief financial officer. I'll now turn the call over to Larry. Thank you, Leslie, and good morning, everyone. Before we turn to the quarter, I want to take a moment to address the announcement we made yesterday. Leading this company has been an honor and a highlight of my career, and after more than a decade as CEO, I've decided the time is right to transition to executive chairman at the start of next year. I'm thrilled that Aaron Birnbaum will step in as Herc Reynolds' next Chief Executive Officer on January 1st. This transition reflects the strength of our succession planning and my complete confidence in Aaron and the entire leadership team. Aaron has been with Herc for more than 35 years. Over that time, he has served in key roles across branch operations, sales regional field management and executive leadership and he understands this business as well as anyone in the industry as our chief operating officer and most recently as president aaron's been instrumental in shaping our strategy and driving our operational excellence there is no one better prepared to lead her into its next chapter in my role as executive chairman i will remain actively engaged, working closely with Aaron and the board on strategy, capital allocation, and continuing to build on the strong foundation we've established together. I could not be prouder of what this team has accomplished or more excited about where it's headed. And this quarter is a great example of why. The third quarter was an outstanding period for Herc Reynolds, and it reflects the strategic positioning we've built over the past year. As a reminder, in 2025, we closed the largest acquisition in our industry's history. And just nine months later, we completed the integration of H&E Equipment Services, which Aaron quarterbacked from start to finish. That work is now firmly behind us, and it has positioned us with a stronger and larger sales force, expanded scale, and increased fleet availability to capture a greater share of wallet across the robust megaproject pipeline. The third quarter is our first full quarter of comparable year-over-year combined results, and the underlying performance is clear. Equipment rental revenue increased nearly 12% on an average OEC fleet growth of less than 2%. That relationship, strong revenue growth on modest fleet growth, is the direct result of being good stewards of capital. We've managed our fleet assets tightly, aligned the right equipment to the right markets, and driven meaningful improvement in fleet efficiency with dollar utilization up 360 basis points in the quarter. This is exactly the kind of disciplined execution that defines Team Earth. Now turning to slide five, we continue to follow our proven playbook, executing against our long-term growth strategies. First, we are growing the core. Our top-line growth continues to be led by national accounts fueled by robust mega project activity across data centers, infrastructure, manufacturing, and energy. Our increased scale and broader fleet capacity allow us to take on more of these large complex projects and elevate our role with major contractors. Second, we are expanding specialty. Specialty revenues grew double digits year over year in the quarter and specialty once again represents 20% of our total fleet at OEC up from 17% a year ago. Speciality is a higher margin, higher return category and we continue to disproportionately invest here to support mega projects, our new specialty branches and the cross-selling opportunities our larger customer base provides. Third, we are elevating technology. As an industry leader, our proprietary pro-control platform remains a true differentiator, giving customers the insights and controls they need to track, measure, and manage their fleet for a safer, more efficient job site. And finally, we continue to invest responsibly in our fleet to support highly visible customer demand while maintaining capital discipline and managing our balance sheet for the long term. Now moving on to slide six, our performance also reflects a culture built on accountability, collaboration, and shared commitment to our customers. As our organization has grown, that culture has kept our teams aligned and focused on consistent execution. Above all, safety remains our first priority. Our responsibility is to ensure our people have the training, tools, and well-maintained equipment to work safely and help our customers do the same. That commitment underpins everything we accomplish. With that, let me turn it over to Aaron to walk you through our fleet performance and our operating initiatives. Aaron? Thank you, Larry, for your leadership and mentorship over the years. I am honored to step into the CEO role in January, and I look forward to continuing the great work we started together. I'm also excited to have the privilege of leading the best team in the industry. The expertise, resilience, and dedication TeamHerc brings to our branches and our customers' job sites every day are truly what sets us apart. And in the third quarter, that dedication showed up in our results. Our expanded network, maturing specialty branches, broader fleet access, and stronger sales force are working together to serve more customer needs. Investments and integration work of the past year are translating into more effective execution across the organization and contributing to the second half momentum we anticipated. Turning to slide eight, our fleet management approach is about more than deciding what to buy and what to sell. It's about understanding customer requirements, coordinating equipment across our network, and getting the most productive use from the capital we already have invested. Our larger footprint gives us more flexibility to meet those requirements. We can draw on our broader equipment base, coordinate fleet across nearby branches, and support large projects without treating every new opportunity as a separate fleet purchase. That expert fleet management is central to the efficiency Larry highlighted. At the same time, we are making targeted investments where customer demand supports attractive returns. We added approximately $580 million of fleet at original equipment cost in the third quarter for about $1.2 billion year-to-date, supporting lifecycle replacement, megaproject demand, and our expanding specialty offering. We also disposed of approximately $200 million of fleet at OEC versus $375 million in last year's third quarter. Their low level of dispositions reflects a different operating priority. In the third quarter of 2025, we were actively right-sizing and aligning the acquired fleets. Today, our focus is ongoing lifecycle management and refining the mix to match demand. A key part of refining that mix is our specialty offering. As Larry noted, specialty equipment now represents 20% of our total fleet at OEC. That matches our pre-acquisition mix. When we acquired H&E, which was weighted toward general rental equipment, our specialty share initially declined to 17%. Returning to 20% this quickly reflects our targeted investment in specialty equipment to meet customer demand and intentional cross-selling activities to achieve our revenue synergy goals. These assets generate higher dollar utilization and higher margins, but the value we bring goes beyond the equipment itself. Our specialty teams provide the expertise to help customers solve complex job site challenges, enabling us to address more of their needs and deepen those relationships. We continue to direct investment towards specialty and megaproject requirements while carefully managing general rental capacity in stable local markets. Ultimately, the goal is not simply a larger fleet, it's the right fleet deployed productively with returns guiding our decisions. On slide nine, the demand environment continues to be bifurcated and our diversification continues to serve us well. Local market activity remains stable overall. Infrastructure, government, and maintenance related demand continue to help offset softness and interest-rate sensitive commercial construction. National accounts, meanwhile, continue to lead our expansion. Our increased scale matters here. With greater branch density and a broader specialty offering, our sales teams can serve more of the customer's requirements across multiple projects and locations and strengthen relationships with major contractors. Our long-term diversification strategy remains focused on a balance of local and national accounts. The current strength of national account demand is an opportunity we are equipped to serve while maintaining the local presence and customer relationship that support resilience across the cycle. Slide 10 shows the breadth of that customer base. We serve contractors, industrial customers, infrastructure and government agencies, commercial facilities, and customers with event-driven requirements. Those in markets have different demand cycles, equipment needs, and service expectations our advantage is combining that breadth with sector expertise the manufacturing facility the utility project and the data center may all need general rental equipment but their special requirements and operating schedules can be very different our sales professionals and product specialists work together to build the right solution for each customer the larger specialty network gives those teams more to offer it also creates opportunities to introduce specialty solutions to customers who previously rented only general rental equipment from us that is how diversification translates into business development more ways to serve existing customers and more entry points into new accounts and less dependence on any single market turning to slide 11 the external forecasts provide contact for the opportunities our teams are pursuing dodge's updated projection is for nearly 723 billion dollars of u.s mega project starts in 2026 well above the level we saw in 2025. for 2027 dodge is currently reporting about 775 billion dollars in mega project starts with trillions of dollars more still working through the planning stages as we discussed last quarter we are targeting a 20 share of the mega project rental opportunity over time counting only our revenue from projects where herc is a designated primary or secondary supplier the pipeline we are pursuing continues to expand across project types and in markets our focus is converting those opportunities into rental activity through strategic project selection coordinated fleet deployment and reliable execution for customers turning to slide 12 this is the progression we outlined at the beginning of the year the third quarter demonstrates how that preparation is translating into performance revenue synergies were an increasing contributor in the quarter consistent with the second half waiting we previously outlined that momentum is the direct result of our operational progress our newer specialty locations are maturing our sales teams are successfully cross selling the broader offering and our larger network is enabling deeper penetration into national accounts beyond the acquisition synergies we continue to focus on operating efficiencies at our larger scale the logistics transformation initiative we discussed last quarter is a multi-year effort to improve routing process rigor cost recovery and consistency across the network Those priorities remain important, especially in an environment of elevated fuel and freight costs. As we move through the fourth quarter, our operating agenda is straightforward. Serve the expanding project pipeline, maintain efficient fleet deployment, and keep improving execution across the network. The team has done the work to build this platform. Now we're putting it to work for our customers and shareholders. Mark will now take you through the financial results and our updated outlook. Mark? Thanks, Aaron, and good morning, everyone. I'm on slide 14 with a summary of our key financial metrics. Equipment rental revenue increased approximately 12% in the third quarter, reflecting growth in both our general rental and specialty solutions offerings, driven by higher megaproject volume, pricing improvement, and improved fleet mix. This is our first full quarter with H&E included in both reporting periods. Last year's third quarter was still an active integration period, including fleet realignment, sales territory reallocation, and systems migration. So this quarter's results reflect the operating benefits of that early work. Total revenue increased approximately 5% in the quarter. The difference between rental revenue growth and total revenue growth primarily reflects lower revenue from equipment sales following the elevated dispositions associated with fleet optimization last year. Adjusted EBITDA increased about 9%, and adjusted EBITda margin expanded 190 basis points to 44.2%. I want to distinguish the consolidated margin result from the performance of the rental business itself. With equipment sales lower year over year, rental revenue represented a larger proportion of total revenue, which benefited the adjusted EBITDA margin. REBITDA, which measures contribution from our core rental business, excluding equipment sales, increased roughly 10%, and REBIDDA margin was 45.2%. While this was down 70 basis points year over year, the headline understates the underlying strength of the rental business. Higher rental volume, pricing improvement, and H&E revenue and cost synergies all benefited margin. However, this quarter, those benefits were more than offset by core operating cost inflation, higher field incentive compensation tied to operational outperformance, particularly in fleet efficiency, and fuel and freight inflation. On fuel and Freight, specifically, these pressures, including the related ancillary revenue mix effect, accounted for approximately 100 basis points of year-over-year rebate down margin pressure. That compares with 170 basis points of pressure in the second quarter. So even with diesel costs higher sequentially, we delivered significantly improved recovery quarter-over quarter. And while we continue to focus on improving delivery economics and transportation efficiency across our network, including through the Logistics Transformation Initiative Aaron discussed, Adjusted net income was $131 million, or $3.91 per diluted share. Turning to slide 15, we generated $133 million of free cash flow through the first nine months of the year. We ended the quarter with ample liquidity of $2.1 billion and net leverage of 3.9 times, down from 3.95 times at the end of June. We also paid our regular quarterly dividend of $0.70 per share. Our capital allocation priorities remain consistent. Invest where we see attractive returns, maintain financial flexibility, and reduce leverage as the earnings contribution from our larger platform builds. That brings me to our updated outlook on slide 16, which reflects the expanding mega project portfolio in front of us. You can see the new guidance ranges here. At the midpoint, we now expect full-year equipment rental revenue of $4.513 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $2.13 billion, up about 2% from the previous guidance. We are also increasing our net fleet capex to approximately $1.05 billion at the mid point, driven by an increase in gross purchases that will be partially funded by higher fleet dispositions. This additional investment is primarily for specialty equipment to support newly won or expanded megaproject assignments in the fourth quarter. It is tied to identified customer requirements, not a speculative fleet bill or an assumption of a broader market recovery. These are multi-year projects and the equipment we add in the fourth quarter will be in place to serve customers for the entirety of 2027 and beyond. Because of this, we view this roughly $150 million of incremental net fleet capex as effectively being pulled forward from our 2027 fleet budget. These assets also help us maintain manageable time utilization and availability needed to deliver reliable service. We're balancing the productive use of our fleet with the capacity to respond to customers rather than maximizing utilization at the expense of availability. Importantly, the updated guidance continues to reflect substantial fleet efficiency. At the new midpoint, we expect second-half equipment rental revenue growth of approximately 14% on average OEC fleet growth of approximately 4%, culminating in full-year pro forma rental revenue grow of about 8% on roughly 2% average OAC growth. for generating meaningful, meaningfully more revenue from our asset base while selectively adding equipment where customer demand supports attractive returns. So what does this CapEx increase mean for our free cash flow and the leveraging path? First, our 2026 free cash flow guidance remains unchanged at $250 to $350 million. Second, and more importantly, because this equipment is tied to immediate mega-project demand, it will go on rent and begin contributing to EBITDA right away in the fourth quarter. But the real power of the investment is in 2027 and beyond when we capture the full-year EBITda benefit of these high-margin specialty assets. As a reminder, growing EBITdas is the single most powerful lever we have for reducing our leverage ratio. By securing this fleet now for committed projects, we are rapidly growing the denominator of that ratio. This investment doesn't delay our deleveraging path. It actively supports it. It gives us a higher EBITDA baseline entering next year and will be evaluated as 2027 capital as we build out next year's fleet plan. Deleveraging is a top priority and we remain focused on returning to the top of our targeted leverage range by the end of 2027. the bottom line demand continues to exceed our expectations and our team is capturing that opportunity through active asset management and targeted deployment as a result we're raising our earnings outlook and strength strengthening the setup for 2027. now let's open it up for questions operator we will now begin the question and answer session if you would like to ask a question please press star 1 to raise your hand to withdraw your question press star 1 again we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality if you are muted locally please remember to unmute your device please stand by while we compile the q a roster your first question is from rob wertheimer with millius research your line is open please go ahead sorry thank you good morning and uh congratulations larry thank you morning rob um so i think you kind of touched on some of the headwinds to margin um in the quarter i mean you have um obviously the fuel and some other things do you think that you're getting as much rate as you need to offset natural inflation and do you thing that we see higher incrementals as you kind of roll through the next quarter with the full kind of entity operating you know as a unified whole yeah i mean it's a great question i think that you know obviously rate is always a focus um you know i think when we evaluated sort of q3 it performed um about where we thought it would um but at the same time i would say that from a one-year view rate is not sort of at the same level as inflation particularly in mind of um you know the fuel and the freight impacts but that's always a focus for us and we'll continue to focus on that as we sort of round into 2027. your next question comes from the line of tommy zachariah with jp morgan your line is open please go ahead hi good morning thank you so much um very nice quarter so um i know it's probably a little too early but as you think about next year any preliminary thoughts on whether rental revenue growth can outpace oec growth to the same degree we saw in 3q and what you're expecting for 4q Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, if you look at Q3, right, that was a 12 over a 2. I think if you look at the midpoints, as I said, you're kind of looking at a 16 at the midpoint, rev growth on fleet growth of 5. I think some of that continues into the front half of next year, Tammy, but begins to normalize a bit more as you get into 3Q and 4Q of 2027. I think I would say, you know, fleet efficiency is always our mantra. It will continue to be something that we focus on. And I think that, you Know, in this environment, the good news is, is that the fleet ads aren't necessarily speculative. We sort of know what we're buying and we know that that fleet is going on rent, which certainly helps this fleet efficiency. And I think we'll continue to do that as we walk into 2027. Understood. That's very helpful. And then quickly, could you remind us how much incremental synergies in terms of revenues and costs you have left or you are expecting in in 2027? Yeah I mean you know we said we were going to get 90 incremental on the cost side and 110 to 120 incremental on The Rev side. I would say you know as we sit here today both of those are on track. I have said that we will give sort of a full report out come February of sort of how both of those things performed. But I think the message today is both are on track. Your next question comes from the line of Meg Dobre with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead. All right. Thank you for the time. And Aaron and Larry. Congrats to both of you. My first question is on dollar utilization. That looked quite good this quarter. And unless I'm wrong in my model here, I got to go back to 2022 to find a Q3 that looks similar to this one. So I guess my question, as we sort of think about especially the forward outlook right q4 but even into 2027 how should we think about dollar utilization maybe relative to a strong year like 2022 is it is it possible that we're going to see um on a seasonally adjusted basis obviously but similar performances to what we have there um and what are some of the moving pieces that you'd encourage us to consider here in terms of what you can physically get in terms of physical utilization from the equipment relative to rental rates or mix or anything else Hey, Mick. Thank you. And I'll take that question. The inputs to dollar use for us in the quarter would definitely are especially business getting back to 20% of our fleet, right? With the premium nature of that type of fleet and the returns you get, that really helped us get that dollar use to that level in Q3. Time use was strong. That's the other input. But I wouldn't call it a record. And we still have work to do on certain categories as we kind of invest in the fourth quarter and going into next year. But those are the two inputs. Pricing was starting to improve as we went through the rest of the year. You know, we really had to kind of get through the integration and start to harmonize our business in a lot of ways. And so those are three inputs. When we look at, you know, where do we go from here? We're happy with where we were in Q3 with that dollar youth. We think that our first goal is to get back to where we were pre-acquisition, which is like a 42% annual run rate. And then we'll continue to build annually on top of that. The more you can get your specialty business as a part of your business, it's going to give some fuel to that overall dollar youth, and that's our mission as we go out beyond just 27. All right. That's helpful. My follow-up, since you brought up the mix and that specialty is now 20% of the overall OEC, I also heard you say that some of the increased capex is almost kind of like a pull forward relative to 2027. And I understand you're not providing guidance today, but I'm sort of curious as to what the right general framework is to think about CapEx and, frankly, to think about free cash flow here as well as we think about the path for de-levering, hopefully, by year-end 2027. Thank you. No, it's certainly a fair question, Meg. I think it will be a combination of those two. I think, you know, my prepared remarks. I mean, I think, you know, in order to deliver to delever, you know, coming out of 27 to the top end of that, you know, EBITDA growth will be paramount in that doesn't mean we're turning our back on free cash flow. But, you know, we will provide the growth capital necessary to continue to support our customers. And with that, you know I think it's first and foremost EBIT dog road free cash flow um in in terms of the mix to get you to the top end of that guide as we walk out of 2027 your next question comes from the line of jerry revich with wells fargo your line is open please go ahead hi good morning everybody and larry aaron congratulations larry i was just looking back when you took over the business was about eps break even uh dollar you was about 10 points lower so uh congratulations on on the fantastic improvement in the profile of the operations um i i wanted to ask on uh the uh outlook for pricing that aaron and mark you spoke to so typically uh time you uh leads pricing and it sounds like pricing for you folks improved over the course of the quarter, so is it fair to think about pricing accelerating into year two of the recovery, as we typically see, for your business, or is there anything we need to keep in mind compared to that normal cyclical pattern where you folks have a time viewed acceleration this year, and pricing acceleration should hopefully follow? Yeah, hey, Jerry, thanks for the kind words, much appreciated, and as you know, pricing has always been top of mind for me and for HERC since I got here and we're focused on it. We are operating in a very rational and constructive pricing environment right now. Supply dynamics are healthy. Cost inflation, including fuel and freight, is an incremental incentive to raise rate. However, the magnitude of the inflection will depend on the spot market recovery going forward. Okay. Thank you, Larry. And can I ask, in terms of where you folks are delivering more equipment, the semi-fab CapEx outlook is for roughly a doubling, 27 versus 26. Can you just talk about the magnitude of deliveries that you've already made to these sites? They're well positioned relative to your footprint. So just curious what you folks aren't seeing in the planned delivery onto those sites over the next couple of quarters based on what your visibility it looks like jerry it sounded like you were uh specifically asking about uh chip plants is that right that's right that right yeah that's right given your footprint that's exactly right yeah we feel like we're well positioned there you know there was a an initial wave i guess maybe it was 2021 2022 with a lot of chip plan activity and um we didn't have the footprint we have today then um but you know we were able to secure a fair amount of activity from those plants that came online at that time and now there's another wave that's what you're referring to so yeah there's something we're we're monitoring um we feel like we're well positioned um those are great projects they have very long uh project timelines they last several years um and some of the ones we've seen in the news are extremely large uh project so we're excited about that and i think it's uh it's helpful you know just for your overall diversification of the mega landscape you know that those big projects are coming coming out again in different parts of the us so we feel like we're well positioned for that your next question comes from the line of ken newman with key bank capital markets your line is open please go ahead hey thanks good morning guys uh larry congrats on uh the transition and looking forward to uh working with you more aaron going forward um first question for me you know the operating leverage this quarter was a lot more impressive than i would have expected you know i i know you're not ready to talk about 27 guidance yet but from a high level uh perspective is there a way to think about baseline ebitda flow through if the market dynamics continue to be this strong um i know there's lots of puts and takes on uh you know the the synergy capture and and what the the mix of the fleet is doing but you know at 90 ebitdo flow through i think is maybe the strongest i've ever seen it seems like the next quarter is going to be even stronger potentially uh just trying to level set the expectations for next year in terms of how that could flow through yeah i mean i think that obviously from a from a prepared remarks perspective can try to touch on that a little bit right like the the sort of benefit to the quarter was sort of a decrease in dispositions of fleet um in that comp right i thinkthat certainly begins to normalize as we work our way through um 2027 into a more normalized comp as well i think the way high level you know 2027 plays out is you know front half comps are much more favorable um than the back half comps and then i think um you you think about the growth coming you know aaron talked about you know tighter time utilization in q3 um and anticipated into q4 i think that carries through into the front half of the year and then the back half of the year is supported by um you know incremental fleet growth as we work our way through 2027 so that kind of 5 000 foot view can is sort of how i would think about um the overall sort of activity of 27. understood um and then maybe just then a quick one here um you know solid work in offsetting the the headwinds from higher transportation costs um you I think you said it was about 100 basis points of headwind. If I remember correctly, I think you guys were looking for about 150 this quarter. Just sorry if I missed this. Are you still expecting 100 basis points of margin headwind for the full year from delivery and ancillary costs? I mean, you're probably not too far off if 4Q behaves the way 3Q behaves, right? I mean we've done Yeoman's work on sort of the recovery on the refuel side of this. And that came through this quarter. The reality of that, though, is you've got more fuel revenue, which is sort of not necessarily accretive to your overall business margins. Right. So you got a little bit of overhang there as this elevation of fuel comes through. We've recovered sort of the margin to pre-inflation. So, you know, Yeoman's work there. The pieces of this that remain problematic are really the sales and service vehicles and sort of that interbranch transfer component, which has sort of got all of that same fuel increase running through it. So we'll continue to focus on all of those. You know, quite honestly, the biggest sort of go get is is incremental price and overall efficiency of the freight operation to sort of mitigate those factors. I think the other thing I would say, right, if this continues into 2027, you do get a comp break when you get to Q2 of 2027 because that's when this first elevated view started coming through. So even in the event of it continuing, we will get sort of the benefit of the work we've done as we comp into next year. Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Menges of Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Thank you and congrats, Larry and Aaron. And I wanted to touch more on megaprojects. Last quarter, you did up your target market share on megaproyjects, and I'm curious how you're seeing that track as we progress through 2026. And you had a good slide on the pipeline of projects for 2027. I'm sure you're already having conversations with those customers now. based on how those customer conversations are progressing i'm curious if if you would anticipate your mega project share to be higher next year versus this year yeah kyle thank you and um regarding our position in megas it's been a good tailwind for us this year um we um i think as we got through the middle of the year it got stronger and stronger we we with that visibility and kind of fully integrating the h&e acquisition we thought that we had hit the top end of our 15 share in the mega arena um and we wanted to move the needle right because we thought we had more capabilities capacity so we moved it to 20 that'll take us some time to get there it won't happen in you know 2027 we view it as a kind of a few year kind of journey um but our capabilities will help us get there and when we look at the setup now we're in the fourth quarter the setup for next year the pipeline is strong um we're getting more wins and it's partly the reason why we had to take the cap except the fourth corner to get us you know get some of that fleet in place for the the beginning of the year start um and we view next year as robust and solid in the mega space as 2026 and i think our capabilities our new scale are really the reasons that we're able to kind of move you know our position and strengthen it and ultimately you know like you mentioned get to 20 sharing the mega project arena that's helpful aaron and a follow-up on that it looks like just from your slide deck you are sticking to that long-term target of 60 percent uh local mix um in light of the strength and mega projects and and today you're you're below that mix um i guess i'd like to hear your thoughts on why that 60 percent local mix is still the right mix long term yeah in our opinion we've always had i mean since larry became the ceo we've had an urban market strategy so that's how we built out our network to get scale in the largest you know initially it was the largest 50 markets now it's the largest 100 markets um there's there's uh parts of the local market that are attractive um the price point for rental is stronger than on the large customer side um we're just in a cycle right now where the big projects are swinging up and the local market is stable you know and as we've been saying for the last few quarters and that we know that cycle will change again so we want to be prepared for when that that happens the h e acquisition was a local market play it gave us the scale and um you know that's a big part of this rental industry and not something we want take our eyes off of because diversification is the key and uh we want to make sure we're in all those situations where we can be successful your next question comes from the line of neil tyler with rothschild and co redburn your line is open please go ahead yeah thank you good morning um just wanted to come back to the um the topic of um synergies actually um and the component of the revenue synergies that you have targeted that relates to evening up the rate at the H&E customers. Can you talk a little bit around how that is progressing in what is an improving rate environment, whether that actually makes that more achievable or potentially more difficult? And then Mark, if you just remind us in terms of the flow through on those revenue synergies, how you're thinking about that currently all right neil it's aaron um i'll take the first part of that um the uh as it relates to the synergies and rate and the acquisition so we're really happy where our synergies have landed for the first year and a half since we closed on the transaction um our teams have worked very very hard and um it's been a great story uh one piece is we're able to expand our our specialty network and the other piece is were able to drive revenues with customers that typically wouldn't have rented those equipments from h&e at the time so we really drove that synergy um and now we're going on into the subsequent year it's kind of a three-year play revenue synergies is for us um When we purchased the business, the price point was lower than the Herc rentals price point. So we view that in two pieces. One is the spot market, right, which is the local market. It's the transaction market that happens every day. We bolted that business on to our algorithm pricing tool within a few months. And so that started to kind of match up with what PERC was typically charging for those type of transactions. And I think we got the benefit of the scale of the business, but also the market dynamics of a tightening utilization going out there. So that built some momentum for pricing opportunity. The second piece that we mentioned and I'll remind is that H&E did have some contract customers. um call it 30 percent of their business was contract customers and we said it would take us three years to to match those rates of those customers that that her expected we weren't going to go get it all at the same time um we wanted what was most important is is holding on to those customers and you know driving our synergies and our product diversification into them and building strong relationships so we viewed it as a taking one-third uh price lift over a three-year period and up three years we would get there and uh we've been doing that so uh the first year we took that one-thirds piece and it might not have been exactly the price we we want on existing her customer we did move the needle and now we're going into the second year and i think that the the time utilization the health of the market is uh our tailwinds to helping us kind of achieve that goal um and we look towards next year as another year of kind of you know turning the needle a bit um and uh becoming more stick with the customers so we have more opportunities to do that so we we have some work to do to kind of harmonize that piece of the business we started doing that in the back half of this year and then as we roll into next year our pricing harmonization will improve i believe and neil that the second part of your question um you know the original assumption as the guide was laid out was somewhere in that 65 to 70 flow through on um revenue synergies and i think that you know you're probably at the low end of that as we're sort of walking through 2026 i think as the branch optimization and all of those underlying branches mature i think you get to something that's closer to 70 in the out year great thanks guys that's really helpful thanks neil your next question comes from the line of stephen ramsey with thompson research group your line is open please go ahead good morning my congratulations to everyone i wanted to hear a bit more on your positioning on mega projects do you find yourself more and more being a prime supplier versus a secondary as you move through this year or what you're bidding on that will hit next year and are there any intentional strategic moves you're making on how you're positioned on these projects stephen uh it's a good question um we uh as we mentioned in the prepared remarks when we talk about our position in mega projects it's always about hey do we have a secondary or primary position are we you know the first or second supplier with an agreement with the customer we don't really measure the tertiary activity that's going on um and as we've gone through the last 12 months our positioning is strengthened i would say those are related to two issues one is our strengthening position and relationship with large gc's those are the ones that are doing most of the projects and then the h e acquisition gave us the scale to build the confidence and the the fleet to go move in quicker and the confidence that we can execute on those jobs general contractors on the mega projects and people in the industry know this they they want to make sure you can execute right they're not taking too many chances on an entity that can't provide the safety, can't provide the high quality equipment and the technology and the response to the service that's required. So the more we position as a one or two, the more We expect that we'll win more new opportunities and having a strong national account team is really critical to that. Then you have to have the operational acumen to mobilize When you're mobilizing this kind of fleet, it's an exercise. The fleet planning, the demand planning of what's going to be needed on the job, and then kind of the forward operating view on what needs to happen out there. We have teams that we've put together over the last several years that that's what they do. It's not something we had five years ago, but we have dedicated operations sales teams that focus in this arena because it's the opportunity where we have the capabilities, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO FIND REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMPANY. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN ON THE SPECIALTY LOCATIONS GAINING MOMENTUM, ARE THEY AT A POINT WHERE YOU NEED MORE FLEET ON THEM TO KEEP GROWING OR IS IT MORE GET OPERATIONS MORE IN LINE BEFORE ADDING FLEAT TO THOSE NEW LOCATIONS? Yeah, good question, Steve. This is Larry. Look, these specialty locations are ramping. These new 50 locations are ramping as we'd expect. But just like any business, as they mature, you continue to give them the ability to ramp and acquire fleet as they show that they've matured in terms of technical knowledge, in terms of customer reach and ability to, you know, achieve fleet efficiency. So we're not there yet in the vast majority, and there's ample opportunity in the future as they continue to mature in those markets to add more capital as they grow and they grow efficiently. Your next question comes from the line of Seth Weber with BNP Paribas. Your line is open. Please go ahead hey guys good morning um sorry sorry if i missed but mark in your prepared comments you used the phrase you know pull forward on capex um sorry if I miss this but should we assume that capex for 2027 is going to be up at this point or like I'm just trying to think about what that phrase pull forward means for next year thanks yeah no fair question um i think what that really means is is that i'm we're sort of viewing that call it 150 million dollars sort of at the mid point as part of the 2027 capex the beauty of that fleet is it now works for us the entirety of the year um you know generally speaking you think about fleet ads and you divide by two to sort of think about the benefit you're getting from those fleet ads in any given year um so we're contemplating that fleet as part of the 2027 plan um not ready to sort of publicize sort of the overall gross fleet capex yet for 2027 we're still working through all of that as you would imagine but you know come february we'll provide that guide okay thanks and then um just you know local markets being stable i think that's been your your message for a while now i mean are you still thinking that we need to decline in interest rates for that to turn more positive or do you think i you know i'm just trying to think through like what could get the local markets to be better here in intermediate term yes uh look uh absolutely we we believe that you know that's a big key to what i would call you know continued development and growth uh above a stable market really requires that commercial market to uh to accelerate and that commercial markets not going to accelerate unless there is a an appropriate interest rate sort of environment for that you know it's uh it applies to the you got to look at the 10-year treasury and what's happening there and that will impact where that market goes but look we are you know firmly positioned in the local markets particularly in the you know the large more uh more densely populated areas and once that turns around we will we will participate you know certainly in an outsized way to to achieve results and capture share in those markets we have reached the end of the q a session i will now turn the call back to leslie hunziker for closing remarks thank you for joining us on the call today we certainly look forward to updating you on our progress in the quarters to come of course if you have any further questions please don't hesitate to reach out have a great day This concludes today's call. 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