Hinge Health Q3 2026 Earnings Call - HINGE HEALTH INC

Hello everyone, thank you for joining us and welcome to the Hinge Health third quarter 2026 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please raise your hand. If you have dialed into today's call, please press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute. I will now hand the conference over to Bianca Buck, Head of Investor Relations. Bianca, please go ahead. Good afternoon and welcome to Hinge Health's third quarter 2026 earnings call. I'm Bianca Buck, head of investor relations. With me on the call are Daniel Perez, our co-founder and CEO, Jim Pursley, our president, Aaron Peer, our chief commercial officer, and James Budge, our CFO. I want to thank everyone for joining us. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. All relevant materials are available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's discussion will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. These statements reflect our current views and expectations regarding future events, including expected performance of our business, future financial results, and growth strategies. While these statements represent our good faith judgment and beliefs, actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. For a detailed discussion of the risks, please refer to our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, and our quarterly reports on Form10-Q. We expect to file our next quarterly report on Forum10-q in the next week. All income statement financial measures discussed today, other than revenue, are non-GAAP. These measures should be viewed in addition to, and not as a substitute for, our gap results. Reconciliations to the most comparable gap measures are included in the appendix to our earnings release. With that, I'll turn it over to Dan. Thanks, Bianca. Q3 was another strong proof point that automated care delivery works for our members, our clients, our partners, and our financials. Here's what I'll cover today. First, a quick snapshot of our Q3 financial performance and the momentum we're carrying. Second, a product update. what's working in our core MSK business, some early data from our Migraine Care Program, and I wanna spend a few moments on what our GI Care Program is gonna look like, since I know that's been a common question. Third, I'll hand it to Jim and Aaron for the commercial update, and Jim has a personal note he'd like to share as well. And lastly, James will take us to the financials and updated guidance before we open it up for questions. Before I begin, apologies for my hoarse voice. I'm fighting a cold, but we've got great numbers to report. Let's dive in. Q3 saw strong top-line performance and all-time highs on profitability. Revenue came in at $235 million, up 52% from $154 million in Q3 of last year. Last 12 months, calculated billings were strong as well, up 54% year-over-year to $960 million. Gross margin came in as 88%, up about 480 basis points from the same period last year, On the bottom line, operating income came in at $77 million, a 33% operating margin, up about 1,300 basis points year-over-year. Free cash flow, excluding one-time acquisition-related payments, was $120 million, representing a 51% free cash flow margin. As you can see, the momentum we saw in the first half of the year has continued, and that's a testament to the team, product, and business we've built. Let me now turn to product. let's start with our core msk product where we've spent over a decade automating care and continue to see progress a good example is movement analysis which uses our true motion technology to give members a quantitative objective way to track their progress and it's being used by more and more of our members it scores them across joint angles symmetry and endurance and gives them hinge scores so they can actually see how they're improving over time rather than just feeling they might be and the data shows it is resonating members who use movement analysis are doing more computer vision based exercises overall we believe that when people can see their progress in real numbers they adhere better we also began rolling out a redesigned exercise experience this quarter with new exercises that load faster preview clips that show members what's coming and a new control bar that puts them in charge of their session these might sound like small things but they're critical to ensuring a consumer grade product experience why we're the top rated digital msk app and something people want to open rather than feel they have to this technical foundation for our msk product is also what lets us add care for new conditions like migraine and gi efficiently we've built an extensible platform and we believe this unified approach is a meaningful advantage for us in the market speaking of our new programs let me turn to our migraine care program. We're still in early access with clients, but the data we're seeing is genuinely exciting. Initial results of our surveyed members show a 23% reduction in monthly migraine days, and when migraines did occur, members reported they were shorter by roughly five hours or a 28% reduction in the duration of the attack. We are also seeing a meaningful reduction in monthly prescription use days, which matters both for members and for the clients paying for their care we're also tracking hit six scores that's a validated six item measure used widely in migraine research that captures what migraine actually takes away from someone that is their ability to focus work stay present and get through their day about two-thirds of our members improved their hit six score and just over half crossed the threshold for a clinically meaningful change that's really strong early signal and we're looking forward to sharing more as the program scales. Thirdly, many of you have asked what our GI care program will eventually look like in the unified offering. So let me walk you through it. It's the same playbook we've run in MSK and Migraine. We start with the member intake, create a personalized care program, apply technology to automate care delivery, supplement the technology with access to clinicians and connected hardware when applicable, and hold it all to the same clinical rigor as our other programs. Fortunately, our acquisition of Cylinder and the incredible team that built it has given us a big head start. Nearly one in two people with GI conditions also have MSK pain, and 70% of people with migraine also have a GI condition. These conditions are connected, and most people can't always tell how. With Hinge Health, we make it easy. When a member opens the HingeHealth app, our AI-powered intake screener, the same engine that triages MSK and migraine members today, routes them to the right care automatically. Back pain, pelvic floor conditions, migraine, GI, or all of the above. Our GI care program itself will have two main parts. First, AI that turns raw signals into action, including personalized care plans. Our food analysis model can read what's going into the gut from a photo, a voice note, or a text. Robin, our AI care assistant, connects that input to symptoms in real time. And with our AI-powered stool scan, a member could capture a photo and our technology analyzes stool according to the Bristol stool scale, capturing form, consistency, and volume, giving us a structured longitudinal data set that both our models and our clinicians can act on. Those signals feed personalized care plans that evolve as our model learns what's driving someone's symptoms. Second, immediate access to a multidisciplinary care team from day one, no referral needed. That means a GI specialist who could prescribe and make in-person referrals when needed, a dietician focused on triggers and nutrition, and a gut-brain therapist delivering cognitive behavioral therapy, which is the evidence-based standard of care for IBS. Moreover, one of the top referrals for GI symptoms is pelvic floor therapy, and we're the only GI solution with that embedded in the same app available the same day. We're really excited about where this is heading and we think our integrated vision is differentiated. The full integrated program is targeted for the summer of 2027. We are selling the existing GI care program today and we plan to upgrade those clients when the integrated version is ready. We expect meaningful growth and revenue contribution to come in 2028 once we've had a full 2027 selling season with the integrated program. While I love where Migrant and GI are headed. I want to remind everyone that Core MSK is still our largest revenue contributor by a wide margin, is growing robustly, and we expect it to remain that way for years to come. The opportunity in MSK remains massively underpenetrated and everything we're doing in migraine and GI is built on the foundation of what we've achieved in MSk. With that, I'll hand it over to Jim. Jim joined us in 2021 and has helped take us from a couple hundred clients to over 3,200 and to partnerships with 60-plus health plans, PBMs, and TPAs. That distribution model is the second wall of our moat, and much of it was built under Jim and Aaron's leadership. Jim, over to you. Thank you, Dan. I very much appreciate the kind words. Before I hand things over, I want to share something personal with everyone on the call. After a lot of reflection, I've made the decision to step back from my role as president at the end of the year. This isn't a decision I came to lightly, but after a couple of decades of running hard, building two companies, taking them both public and leading through some really demanding chapters i'm ready to spend more time with my family that time is something i can't get back and i've decided it's the right moment to prioritize it i want to be clear i'm not stepping back entirely i'll be joining the hinge health board because i believe in this company and i want i continue helping us grow i remain as excited as ever about where we're headed particularly given how strong the commercial performance has been and i believe we're doing something that genuinely matters we are changing how healthcare is delivered, and I want to continue to be a part of that story, just in a different capacity. What makes this transition easier is knowing exactly who's going to lead our go-to-market function moving forward. I've had the privilege of working alongside Aaron Pura for the past 12 years at both Hinge Health and Livongo, and many of you had the chance to meet him at our Investor Day in Chicago this past June. He's been a close deputy, a sharp strategic thinker, and frankly, one of the most talented leaders I've worked with in my career. He knows this business, he knows our clients and he knows how to win i couldn't be more confident in him aaron the floor is yours thanks jim decades of running hard two ipos and a lot of cross-country flights what you've done just in the last 12 years is a career's worth of work compressed into a run that most people couldn't sustain for half that long what you've built here at hinge health the culture you've helped shape and the way you've shown up for this team every single day it means a lot to us. I speak for everyone at Hinge Health when I say we're grateful and we're glad you're not going far. Now let's get into the commercial update because there's a lot to be excited about. The sales season accelerated meaningfully this quarter, ending Q3 with 3,270 contracted clients, up 28% year over year. We added three new Fortune 15 clients and expanded to cover the full population of another. These are some of the largest most sophisticated buyers in the country and they're choosing hinge health that tells you something about where we stand competitively and we continue to find large opportunities in the enterprise segment our smb category that we started investing in about a year ago is also paying off in a real way through q3 we closed almost 1 million smb lives demonstrating we're not just winning at the top of the market we're adding clients across every size tier this This is one of our most under-penetrated categories. And since these SMB sales are usually faster, more efficient, and come with higher yields, we're excited to see such substantial progress. And here's a number that really stands out to us internally. We've already received verbal agreements on more lives this year than we closed in all of last year. And last year was a record-breaking sales year for adding eligible lives. And that number excludes lives from Cylinder. Win rates continue to trend up year over year, and the conversations we're having with prospective clients still in a final decision mode are tracking very favorably. Our multi-product approach is also landing well. A growing number of lives, now over 10 million across over 800 clients, have access to multiple Hinge Health products, whether MSK, Migraine, GI, or Hinge Select. Also, since announcing our cylinder acquisition, we've grown our GI clients by around 40%. When a client turns on a second or third product, it deepens the relationship and increases the clinical value we deliver to both the member and the client. On Hinge Select, and specifically our surgery product, which we announced in June, the reception has been really strong. The feedback we're getting directly from surgeons has been particularly encouraging, and it's what gives us confidence as we continue to build out our network. Two things keep coming up. First, they value we only send them pre-qualified members. We handle all the clinical screening and intake upfront so surgeons can use their time more effectively. Second, they appreciate our integrated hybrid care model because surgeons care deeply about patient outcomes and our ability to wrap pre and post-surgical care around their work, which helps the member achieve better results. We also have a robust contracting playbook built out by geography, which lets us navigate the nuances of each local market as we expand. All in all, it's been a strong year commercially, and we feel really good about this setup heading into the end of the year and into 2027. With that, I'll hand it over to James to walk through the financials. Thanks, Jim and Aaron. And Jim, on behalf of the whole finance team, we're gonna miss having you in the seat, although we know we're in great hands with Aaron. Now let me walk you through the numbers. This was a really strong quarter across the board. Before I get into the details though, let me quickly remind everyone how our Billings model works, since it's the foundation for the rest of the numbers. Our calculated Billings are a function of three things, the number of eligible lives on our platform, the yield, meaning the share of those lives that actually enroll and engage with our programs, and the average selling price per member. When any one of those moves, we see it in Billings, and ultimately in revenue. On that note, LTM calculated Billing came in at 960 million, up 54% year over year. That's a strong top of funnel signal for where revenue is headed. For Q3 specifically, revenue came in at 235 million, up 52% from 154 million in Q3 of last year. To put that in context, our guidance heading into the quarter was 223 million to 225 million. That beat was driven entirely by Billings' outperformance, and Billings outperformance was driven by yield. Yield came in stronger than we anticipated, and we believe the gain is durable. The yield improvements we're seeing are coming from a few places, similar to what we've shared in the past. First, members joining from clinically targeted enrollment campaigns that are reaching the right members at the right time are up almost 75% year over year. And second, member renewals, people who have gone through the program and are choosing to come back, are up nearly 25% year-over-year. That last one is particularly meaningful because it tells us the product is delivering real value in a member's time of need. We don't view these as one-time tailwinds, but rather as structural improvements in how we engage members. Turning to gross margin, we came in at 88% for the quarter, up 480 basis points from 83% in Q3 of last year. That improvement is a direct result of efficiency gains we've been driving through reduced hardware costs ai and automation on operating expenses we saw leverage across every category this quarter total operating expenses came in at 55 percent of revenue down from 63 percent in q3 of last year we're being disciplined about where we spend and the combination of top line out performance and that spending discipline is what's driving the profitability results income from operations came in at 77 million representing a 33 operating margin that compares to our guided range of 61 to 63 million year over year operating margin expanded around 1300 basis points from the 20 we reported in q3 2025. expanding our margin by that magnitude at this rate of revenue growth is something we're really proud of free cash flow for the quarter was 120 million which excludes 7 million of one-time acquisition related payments representing a 51 free cash flow margin that compares to 81 million in q3 of last year the cash our business is generating gives us real flexibility both to invest in solutions for our members clients and partners while also returning capital to shareholders on the balance sheet we ended the quarter with 358 million in cash and investments in q3 we purchased 296 000 shares for 26 million through our share repurchase program and saw another 209 million of outflows from m a and net share settlements on employee rsu vestings despite those outflows our cash position remains strong and we feel well capitalized for the foreseeable future finally our weighted average diluted share count for the quarter was 86.5 million shares, and our diluted net income per share attributable to common shareholders for the corner was 71 cents. Given everything I just walked you through, we feel confident in raising our guidance for the remainder of the year. For Q4 2026, we're guiding to revenue of $249 to $251 million, which represents 46% growth at the midpoint compared to Q4 of last year. On profitability, we expect income from operations of 81 to 83 million, representing a 33% operating margin at the midpoint. For the full year 2026, we're raising our revenue guidance to 879 million to 881 million. That's 50% growth at the midpoint and up from 856 to 860 million range we provided last quarter. On income from operations, we're raising our full year range to $266 to $288 million, representing a 30% operating margin at the midpoint. Let me walk you through the key inputs that underpin those numbers. On lives, we are now expecting end-of-year LTM average eligible lives of approximately $25.5 million. That's about half a million higher than our expectations from our last call, and the primary driver is the inclusion of Cylinder's net new lives following the close of the acquisition. On yield, we're now expecting a full-year yield of 4.6%, up from the 4.45% we got into last quarter. That incremental improvement in yield flows directly through to billings and revenue, and it's a big part of why we're able to raise the top line the way we are. On profitability, the increase in our income from operations guidance reflects two things working together. Top-line outperformance from the yield and lives dynamics I just described, coupled with spending that has come in more slowly as we manage expenses. We're continuing to invest in the things that matter to our members and clients as evidenced by our new migraine and GI care programs. And we're being disciplined. And that discipline is showing up in the margin profile. On share count, we expect both our Q4 and our 2026 weighted average diluted share count to be in the range of 85 to 87 million shares, consistent with what we've shared previously. All in, we feel really good about where the business is and where it's headed. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Dan to wrap us up. Thanks, James. Let me take a step back for a moment because I think it's worth reflecting on what this quarter actually represents. We delivered meaningful clinical outcomes and a great healthcare experience for hundreds of thousands of people this quarter while lowering the cost of care for our members, clients, and partners. Because of our ability to consistently deliver the triple aim, We're growing revenue at 50% year over year. We're generating hundreds of millions in annual free cash flow. We're expanding our operating margin by 1,000 basis points, all while continuing to invest in the next chapter of the company. That combination, delivering for our members and clients, combined with growth and profitability at this scale, is something we don't take for granted. And it's a direct reflection of the durability of the model we've built. here are two reasons we're bullish heading into the end of 2026 and beyond first the msk opportunity is still enormous musculoskeletal conditions are among the leading drivers of disability and healthcare spend in the united states and the vast majority of people in america still don't have access to a digital msk solution we've built something that works clinically commercially and economically and we're still in the early innings of penetrating that market We are the undisputed leader in this space, and we estimate 88% of lives within our markets are yet to be won, leaving a long runway for growth. That alone is a multi-year growth opportunity. Second, we're building on top of that foundation. Our vision has always been to automate the delivery of care, using technology to close the gap between the care people need and the care they actually receive. we're now applying that same approach and the same trusted relationships with employers and partners in neurology and gastrointestinal care. We're not starting from scratch in each new category. We'RE extending a platform that's already proven into conditions that are often connected to the ones we already treat. We believe that's a fundamentally different and more powerful way to expand than what other companies in our space are attempting. Every quarter we get a little closer to our vision of automating and scaling the delivery of healthcare and we have decades of work ahead we're grateful for your continued support and interest in hinge health and we're looking forward to finishing 2026 strong and before handing it back to bianca let me also say thank you to jim for your incredible partnership these past six years we wouldn't be here without you and thank you for continuing this journey by accepting your invitation to join the board over to you bianco thanks dan operator we're now ready to take questions thank you we will now begin the question and answer session please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up if you would like to ask a question please raise your hand now if you have dialed in to today's call please press star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality and if you are muted locally please remember to unmute your device please stand by while we compile the q a roster your first question comes to the line of elizabeth anderson from evercore isi your line is open please go ahead hi guys um thanks so much for the question jim uh Congratulations. And Dan, I hope you feel better soon. I was wondering if you could double click a little bit on Hinge Select. Obviously, you talked about the physician feedback and how that had gone. How are you seeing it on the opposite side and sort of on the employer side? Are you seeing sort of increased traction in that? Is that something they're watching and waiting until the physician network is built up a bit more? How is that going as you're working through this early selling season? Quick question, and I took some tea, so voice is hopefully a little less raspy now than it was earlier. It's still very early days for Hinchel Act. We're making very real progress. We've built a broad provider density across the country with approximately 5,500 provider locations as of Q3, majority being PT and imaging centers still. We added surgery in June and are contracting surgical sites market by market with a geographical playbook. So the network grows where our members are. We don't need the same density with surgery centers as we do with PT or imaging sites. And surgeons are responding very well to integrated hybrid and model. We are moving very quickly to get dots on the map for surgeons signed up. But I do want to emphasize we are a precision network. We're absolutely not looking to compete with the large health plans rather to complement them. So what matters is having enough high quality sites within reach of our members. Now, with regards to client reception, has been very, very strong. Hinch Select is part of our multi-product adoption we are seeing. We've roughly doubled the number of lives on Hinch select since Investor Day, which is in June. And the work now is expanding coverage across our book of business as the provider network builds out. Hinch Select will be a slower burn than a digital program That could be available nationwide on day one. However, we think long-term will be one of our most enduring months. Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. And then maybe on the GI side, if we think about that, it's obviously nice to see the client growth there. Where are you in terms of the integration efforts? I know you've been working hard, obviously, to integrate those on the app and some of you highlighted some of the things. When do you expect that to be completed? and you're still thinking sort of next season should be like the real selling sort of start to the selling season momentum or you're starting to even get that interest in that this year ahead of that also great question integration's going well uh both the the operation side of the business as well the product we continue to serve cylinder clients and members on their existing program and in parallel we're building our integrated gi care program into the hinch tell that. We are targeting summer of 2027 to have our integrated product experience live and the clients we signed today will be upgraded when it's ready. With regards to client sales, the reaction has been very positive and it really reinforces why we did the deal. GI cost has been a growing pain point for employers and health plans, especially with the growth of GLP-1s given GI side effects are so common and our employer clients are very, very grateful we're taking this on and as we as we mentioned in our release since announcing the acquisition in august we've expanded um cylinders gi client base by 40 adding more gi clients in q3 than filter added in all of 2025 so we really like the the momentum we're seeing uh both on the on the product uh delivery front as well as on the uh from our clients and you also asked about you know when we'll expect to revenue yes it'll back happen next year but especially in 2028 we'll have a more wholesome sales season next year uh but even that will be you know somewhat truncated because the integrated product won't be live until june um but uh but we're we're getting really good feedback now and uh and we're hitting the pavement great thank you so much your next question comes from the line of saket kalia from barclays your line is open please go ahead great you guys thanks for taking my questions here and congrats to both jim and aaron on your next steps thank you absolutely dan maybe for you to start can you just talk a little bit about the migraine business a little bit and what some of your early observations are whether that's adoption of lives or what sort of ARPU you're seeing. Just expand a little bit on sort of what you're seeing there and how you feel about that looking forward. Sure. Well, let me give you a little bit about what we're seeing on the member experience front of some of the outcomes. And then AP could give you a little more around the client adoption. So we're early access, but the data has been very compelling. Again, we're seeing about a 23% reduction in monthly migraine days, 28% reduction in migraine duration, so a very meaningful reduction in monthly prescription use. On HIT-6, it's the validated measure of what migraine takes away from daily life, about two-thirds of members improved and just over half crossed the threshold for a clinically meaningful change. We're going to share more of the program scales, and we're actually submitting our results for public review later this year. And with regards to enrollment, again, we launched migraine early access in May, and enrollment engagement or tracking expectations. We've got a very robust roadmap to build upon our early baseline, and our migraine program lets us care for more people. So some of those are MSK members already, so our incremental yield, but our added today's speed, and we aren't seeing any impact yields this year, given the very small set of lives that were launched. But starting in 2027, we expect to see an uptick and our 2026 yield improvements are really coming from our core MSK business. But Aaron, do you want to share a little bit more around the plan adoption? Yeah, I would just add we're around 9 million lives. You're over 800 clients now have access to migraines. So we're very proud to have doubled over the past quarter. Clients see migrains as a large unmet need and because it runs on the same engagement-based billing model, it layers on top of existing contracts with no new contracting, which is really how we went from zero to million lives within just a few months. We expect to launch the bulk of those lives in early 2027. Got it, super helpful. James, maybe for you, you know, 4.6% yield this year, it's just been great to see just more eligible lives take advantage of Hinch Health. Maybe the question is, what are some of the things that you feel like have helped you raise that rate of engagement over the years? And as you look forward, Are there any knobs that you want to turn to kind of to keep that engagement up or even continue improving? Curious how you think about that. Yeah, thanks Saket. First off, we've got a great product, best in class, best product out there for this market that we're in. And we have a great team that is part of the team that goes out and reaches out to those members or prospective members to engage them in the product. So those two are just working extremely well. The two things that I mentioned in the prepared remarks are a couple of things we're really proud of. One, 75% up on our targeted enrollment activities. And while the number is smaller, it's coming up with a much higher base. The 25% increase on our retained members is extraordinary. And really it points back to that kind of best in class product again, that we have. People are, they love the experience. They see an improved outcome. And when something goes awry with their MSK needs in their body, they come back. And that's a great validation of the product. So that's what we're seeing. Those are durable capabilities that we have. We think they're not just one year tailwinds. They have been getting better every year for the next last three years. And we see more growth coming in the next couple of years as well. Great to hear. Thanks, guys. Yep. Your next question comes from the line of Jalendra Singh from Truist Securities. Your line is open, please go ahead. Yeah, thank you. And thanks for taking my questions. Jim and Erin, congrats to both of you. My first question is on gross margin, really strong trends there benefiting from lower hardware costs, AI and automation. How sustainable is that as you onboard a large new cohort and scale GI and how are you thinking about care team staffing heading into 2027? Do you still see more opportunity for leverage from AI and automation on the gross margin line? Great question. And yes, we see more leverage for AI across the business, not just in our care team, but in our internal operations and across the care experience overall. This year, we were targeting 85-ish percent gross margin. We came in a little bit above that. We will again target 85% next year as we continue to invest in the member experience. We think that's an appropriate gross margin, And we are hiring more care team members. We're actually hiring across the board, which we're seeing just insatiable demand from clients as well as from members. As Aaron mentioned in our prepared remarks, we've closed more clients this year than all of last year combined. And last year was a record sales season. And our member enrollment, our yield has increased more this year than any year in our history. And so that's insatiable. And that's just for our core MSK product. And so we're breaking records on our core MSK products. And then you layer in the insatiables demand we're seeing for a migraine product, which has really caught us, you know, even our wildest expectations by surprise in terms of the client adoption, really demonstrating the unmet clinical need and the take up of our GI care program as well, up 40% since August. So we are hiring care team members and we don't, we're not aiming for a growth margin above 85% next year. Some of what we tried to shoot for this year. That makes sense. And my follow-up is, you know, you guys have talked about lives and yield as the key growth drivers. How should we think about the ASP entering next year? I mean, as engagement-based pricing becomes more prevalent and utilization improves, can ASP become a much more meaningful contributor to growth or should we think about pricing as broadly stable? We recall you talked about the ASP being flat in 2026, some on a contractual basis. So just want to see if there's any natural lift as those flat ASP agreements roll off. Yeah, thanks, Jalendra. And maybe if I could just quickly add to Dan's comments on gross margin. While we do see gross margins leveling off of it, it's definitely targeting 85%. we still are committed to continue to improvement in the operating margin line we're trending towards at the midpoint of the range we just gave around 30 and the investor day we said we'd be at 35 plus so we think uh 900 basis points improvement this year if we hit that midpoint is on a really good path to that 35 plus despite the gross margin leveling off on the asp comment that you had um we expect roughly flat uh asps this year and again in 2027 when dan mentioned the taking off of migraine and ap and aaron as well on when migraine starts to take off when gi starts to kick off and those will be sort of second half 2027 events they won't really impact the billable activities until we get into 2028 so that's i think an opportunity where we can first start to see some asp uplift as we get to 2028 and beyond but 2027 specifically will be a flattish year great thanks a lot yep your next question comes from the line of david grossman from stifle your line is open please go ahead uh great thank you very much um so you know our understanding is that generally speaking you know the more the client believes in the roi the more likely they are to assist in marketing you know hinges services and helping drive yields higher are there any stats that you track or can share that may stratify the client base and help us understand you know what percentage of the portfolio is fully engaged which are partially engaged and what percentage maybe never will fully engage just based on how they they view employee privacy and and just maybe what the evolution of that may look like over the life of a client Yeah, I would say that we have a number of metrics that we look at when we are selling and launching our clients. But we are up meaningfully year over year in terms of touch points, and we secure these marketing touch points well in advance of the actual sales season. So we are well on track and really even above where we wanted to be at this time in terms in terms of communicating and the programs for 2027. And you're right to say that generally speaking, the employer's faith in the return of the program correlates well with their approval of marketing. It's not a perfect one-to-one correlation. Sometimes there's just simply conflicting calendars or communication blackouts that employers have. But as we continue to demonstrate strong outcomes, clinical outcomes, member experience outcomes, high NPS and especially strong ROI, we gain a lot of credibility to where our clients want to make sure that their members are involved in the job. And Aaron holds his team accountable quite robustly toward ensuring that we secure those marketing touch points. All right, great, thank you for that. And then just, I think this just came up a moment ago, but you raised your yield assumption for the year. You kept flat, you know, lives flat organically, it appears. You know, that said, you spoke about adding three Fortune 15 clients, you know with very strong, you billings and sales. As you look at the growth algorithm going into next year, is there anything that would suggest a departure from the operating model you laid out a few months ago in June in terms of the relative contribution from yield and eligibles? It sounds like you think pricing is gonna be flat. So really just the relative contribution between yield and eligibles, you know, next year versus what we've been seeing this year. No, I think you're reading it right. We are, what you've mentioned a few months ago, we're I think definitely overachieving on both yield and lives. So the relative weighting and contribution from each of those areas is probably gonna be roughly the same, but both better than what we thought just a few month ago. And as you mentioned, the ASP or ARPU or however you wanna think about that language, that's roughly gonna be flat again in 2027. So growth coming kind of equally from yield and lives again. All right, great. Thanks very much. And Jim, Aaron, congratulations. Appreciate it, thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ryan McDonald from Needham & Company. Your line is open, please go ahead. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a great quarter, everyone. Maybe just to ask about some of the early readings you're getting from the migraine and the GI programs, whether it's on a standalone basis in terms of sort of net new members that you're engaging with in those populations, how are the yield trends trending in GI and migraine relative to core MSK? Or if you're able to sort of cross-sell and go multi-program with existing MSK members on the new programs. What are you seeing in terms of like increased level of engagement in terms of number of active sessions or something along those lines? Thanks. Thank you. And earlier, our MIGMAN program, we launched early access in May, and our enrollment and engagement is absolutely tracking to our expectations. We have a very robust roadmap to build on the baseline and we like the enrollment on migraine about one in six people have a migraine, about 20% of women, maybe 10% of men, adults are afflicted with migraine. So there's a very, very large TAM and we're seeing very, strong clinical outcomes and the bulk of our lives are yet to launch. They will be launching in Q1 of the 800 clients and 9 million lives that that have upsold or enhanced their Hinch Health partnership to include migraine will be launching in Q1. And that's where, through the first half of next year, we'll have a much better read of our migraine incremental yield. But we're very, very optimistic around where things are trending right now for migraine enrollments. Yeah, thanks, Ryan. I might just add on to Dan there. We've said a couple of times, dating back to our investor day, that we expected migraine to add about 10 to 20 basis points and yield for us in 2027 we still stand by that it's tracking quite well towards that and we also said that at scale a few years down the line for each of the gi and migraine programs they'd each be producing about two percentage points of yield each so that's again at scale it's not a 2027 statement but a few few years down the road when we have tens of millions of lives and have some strong yield going. We expect each of those to be strong contributors. Appreciate the call there. Maybe a follow-up for Aaron. You know, it was interesting from the prepared remarks you talked about within the three new Fortune 15 clients and one full population expansion. I guess it's kind of interesting to us in terms of sort of your penetration within the entire employee population at your clients. I guess if you think about the client base today, what percent of the population are you only serving maybe a portion of the member or employee population? How material could that expansion to full population opportunity be just within the existing covered lives you serve? Yeah, good question. The vast majority, we have full population access. This was a very large Fortune 15 company where we were rolled out to two of their three health plans and were able to secure that third health plan here in Q3. Does that help? Yep. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jessica Tasson from Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, guys. Thank you very much for the question. I'm going to share my question and follow up concurrently. So I know as of Investor Day, Hinge was expecting to have its strongest selling season ever in 2026. We're really excited to hear that the selling season accelerated in 3Q. Sequential client ads look great. Congratulations. So Jim, definitely transitioning to the board on a high note. But I think you were instrumental to Hinge's channel partnerships across PBMs and TPAs. So first, maybe can you discuss how important those channel relationships are to Hinge's record 2026 selling season, whether they're more or less important to the Fortune 15 versus SMB? And then as a follow-up, can you talk about any impending renewals of those channel partnerships and Hinge posture heading into those renewals that I think start in 27? And maybe how are you preparing Aaron to take over those negotiations? Thanks and congrats and feel better, Dan thank you I feel better thank you Jess so I appreciate the kind words but the reality is it was really a team effort you know Aaron purely the team of our health services team that is remarkably you know talented and actually you know really played a tremendously active role in those health plan negotiations so while you know I'd like to think I contributed you know reality is a lot of people that are all still here doing great work uh we're we're a big part of that so um i'll let aaron you know touch on some of your questions around renewal and retention through our health plan channel but i've got all the confidence in the world and team that's still in place that we're just going to keep building on the success that we've seen in the last six years yeah i would say with 60 plus health plan tpa and other ecosystem partners we're always in some kind of cycle of renewals and have 100 percent uh health plan retention uh we work incredibly hard to ensure that we are supporting these health plans um and operationally everything is running smoothly um so you know we work through those renewals regularly and uh i think there was a perfect question of do we view them as more important um as we continue to grow and i would would say equally as important. Health plans are definitely these preferred partnerships that we have are proving to be very meaningful for not just our MSK growth, but as we add on additional products like MSK and GI. Some of the health plans that we've added in the last 12 to 18 months have really started to bear fruit. So, you know, we have more health plans where we're listed as preferred partner than than ever before i think that is a big reason why we've had a record-breaking year thus far um i would also add you know enterprise space we talked about those three uh large wins in the expansion but we're still only 30 35 penetrated there and as i'm starting to turn our attention to 2027 where we see uh a growing pipeline building uh with very large enterprise uh clients that will be making decisions in the coming months and quarters ahead that we're already focused on maybe one one other thing i'd add that's kind of um related to the health plans is the smb segment where you heard me uh you know talk about a little bit this summer at investor day uh you started investing in this space really about 12 months ago uh and you know we already have closed a million lives um through q3 in this segment so we're going to add additional sales capacity there for 2027 and continue to streamline that sales cycle uh you know looking at more broad-based demand generation campaigns automating parts of the sales cycle there because we are just uh seeing really an untapped part of the market that that we're capitalizing on right now and you know health plans uh enable a lot of that so thank you for the question and i'll just and i i'll just add it and thank you very much just that you know we we take our health plan partnerships very seriously and and part of delivering for our employer clients and our health plan partners is just making sure we bring to market a a product of substance and both our core product and any other products that we launch and then it's a having a maniacal focus on clinical outcomes a great member experience and lowering costs and being very intellectually honest about our ability to deliver that triple aim and we've i'd like to think we've earned a lot of credibility with with our employer clients and a lot of creditability with our health plan partners um that that we are taking an intellectually honest approach to to delivering that triple a and only bringing products to the market of substance that will meaningfully move those and and you'll see it when we publish our results for migraine and you're going to see our substantial enhancements two cylinders already great product for gi care as well and of course we're not we're taking our eye off the ball in msk i think we're actually widening our lead on in msk and we want to continue to widen our lead at msk because it's driving such phenomenal free cash flow and great outcomes but it's allowing us to expand into other areas as well thank you thank you your next question comes from the line of craig heddenbach from morgan stanley your line is open please go ahead yes thank you uh just following up on the comments just now on the smb market in terms of some of the investments that you've made can you also touch on is there any kind of early mover advantage that you have or just how you see that landscape a little bit of a compare and contrast versus some of the things you see in the enterprise market Yeah, I think there are more clients in the SMB space that haven't heard about digital MSK than as you make your way up market. So our investments there, I Think, are really paying off. You heard me talk about the broad demand generation efforts to get them more familiar with these capabilities. I'd probably also mention that we're seeing some of our TPA and health plan partners partners are implementing or exploring new models where we're automatically embedded into their SMB book of business or function as an opt-out so our by default us being you know first mover preferred partner is allowing us to capture that market you know again million lives in in really nine months uh is is exciting to us got it and then just as a follow-up question on the member renewals up 25 from a yield perspective can you just touch on maybe any influence that you're seeing from enzo any other product features that are that are helping drive that metric up it's it's really uh it's a great question and it's uh it says confluence of factors it's just you know as we continue to enhance the overall product performance members will trust us for their future care um as well as you know we're also seeing a surge in in member referrals that is not just members coming back uh to receive care say if they have a flare-up in the next year or another joint area is afflicting them the next but also referring their spouse or their co-workers or or their friends uh to join hinge health and that's up you know it was up very strongly last year i think we're up you know nearly triple digits again in that regard this year and so we're really um just both of those are manifestations of just an ever-improving product and that's never getting complacent about the product experience got it thank you your next question comes from the line of scott shown house from key bank capital markets your line is open please go ahead hey guys follow up on that uh selling season smb um commentary i think you mentioned last quarter that you saw some competitive win aways just wondered if you continue to see that uh throughout this quarter and is there anything incremental left in the next two months that you see on the horizon for incremental customer wins whether it be in the large enterprise or smb opportunities Yeah, we're not done yet. We have a very healthy pipeline that we are working to close that's across the board, SMB into the enterprise space. So more gas in the tank that we're working to get over the finish line. But yeah, competitively, nothing new that we saw in market this year and uh we um continue to be be frankly dominating the space at the moment with uh with just outsized wins across the board and really every market that we're in yeah our win rates are up year over year um our again clients are choosing us our clinical outcomes our roi member experience and now increasing our multi-product platform whereas other competitors or players i should say in digital health are just adding random you know condition areas um to their product portfolio uh we want to be very deliberate about what conditions we add and we want make sure that they're all integrated into our into our care program um into one unified care program and that that really makes a big difference um on pricing clients value that our model is engagement based they pay for members who actually enroll and engage and see clinical improvement and financial savings um and again we've uh we probably take it away or or clients have switched over to us from competitors more clients switched to us for competitors this year than maybe all other years combined just to give you a sense of the i don't want to call it a stampede but i'm struggling to find another word to describe it in terms of how many clients have switched over to Hinge Health from our competitors this year, and that's been a phenomenal outcome. Perfect. And then just follow up, on the SMB side, I think there's some confusion here. So just remind us on the incremental margins on these customers and potentially maybe higher ASP caps. I think people are just thinking about this in terms number of lives, but it's good to frame out the incremental revenue opportunities on these smb customers thanks yeah yeah thanks for the follow-up question uh yeah aaron and his prepared remarks mentioned that the uh yield especially the initial yield because they can get up to speed quicker launch cycles faster the time of sale is certainly faster in the smb world so we see meaningful improvements in yield in that area which translates into all the other goodies that you mentioned the margin is better it costs less to actually make the sale happen sort of proves operating margin so there's a lot to like about the smb space we love our enterprise customers we love all of our customers um but the economics in smb are across the board slightly better than the bigger clients thanks yep your next question comes from the line of Stan Berenstein from Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, this is Corey DeVito on for Stan. Thanks for taking my questions. On open enrollment, are you seeing employers approach benefit packages any different this open enrollment season versus prior years? Any meaningful changes in the scope of solutions, type of benefits, or areas of focus? And then are SMBs approaching it any different than your enterprise clients thanks yeah i think uh you know james just mentioned at smb um it's a little bit more out of the box of following our best practices and time to to launch and get live is pretty pretty short and and seamless um but but no conversations continue to be essentially um the same or similar to previous years big focus on uh driving down costs and tackling some of these um these growing inflationary uh aspects that our clients are facing and whether it's existing or new clients they're looking at hinge as a key partner in doing that great thank you thank you your next question comes from the line of john penny from canaccord genuity your line is open please go ahead hi uh john penny i'm for richard close congrats on the quarter um i just wanted to ask about an article a couple months ago where um dan i believe you said um that you were looking and interested in hardware acquisitions um i Just wanted to see if you can elaborate on any specific areas you're looking at or how you're thinking about evaluating those opportunities and how you would think about gross margin in that context? Thanks. Really great question. I think too many technology companies, especially in healthcare, focus exclusively on software. But I absolutely firmly believe you will not automate care delivery without also investing in hardware. And we've shown we're pretty good at hardware. Our post-M&A hasn't changed, however. We will build organically first and use M&A when it accelerates our timeline. And our acquisitions, particularly in hardware, have historically been small tuck-ins of technology in a team. And then we build it out into something much larger. And with hardware, we have a robust hardware engineering team here in San Francisco. um they're they're very good we design all of our hardware here and we have manufacturing partners for in asia of course pretty much all consumer electronics or electronics of this uh of this caliber are often manufactured in asian but we do the design ourselves here and own all of our ip and do it end to end we also have a a very high bar for anything that we will acquire and we're really focused on MSK, GI and migraine right now because there's a huge runway ahead of us. And so 90% or so of lives in the United States still do not have access to a musculoskeletal digital MSK solution and we want to win them all. We want every adult in America to have access to Hinge Health one day and we're seeing early traction, very strong early traction for migraine and GI. So just delivering on the MSK migraine and GI, the opportunity in front of us should should turbocharge years of growth and you're seeing that this year almost all of our growth is driven by our core msk market or product and you'll kind of see the inklings and the or the saplings of a migrant gi which we hope will grow into very large trees soon all right thanks um and just for one follow-up uh i believe the the verbiage and the prepared marks for the but the new lives for the 2026 selling season for 2027 i believe it was verbally agreed on um can you just um i guess clarify like what like how many lives are actually contracted as of right now for visibility for jan 1 starts for 2027 we're we're going to share that um in our february um earnings call and you'll get and we share that number on an annual basis i would just say the way that uh 90 plus percent of our lives contract through channel partners um you know essentially that amount of lives will turn into signed clients by the end of the year it's just a very quick contracting process so we'll be we'll working through those confirmation forms over the next couple months in advance for the launching those clients maybe if i pile on here john um this is a reminder we did 4.8 million lives last year so we're comfortably ahead of that number already this year. As Aaron just mentioned, most of those verbal lives, 95% of them end up getting signed by the end of the year, and those that don't get signed at the beginning of next year. Your final point about starting Jan 1, I would broaden that out a little bit. Not everybody starts on Jan 1. I would say it's more of a Q1 launch as opposed to everybody piling on Jan 1. It is a big day for launches in early January, but there's also a lot of launches in February, march as well understood thank you yep thanks your next question and final question will be tomer zilberman from bank of america your line is open please go ahead hey guys um i wanted to go back to the asp discussion uh earlier in the q a um to double click on the you know what you mentioned about the potential asp uplift in the back half of 2027 maybe into 2028 is it mostly a byproduct of increasing the number of billable sessions as you scale these new adjacencies like migraine and gi or is there also an opportunity to increase pricing on the core msk areas um we're really focused on uh on engaging members in their care um look if you uh you're not going to get a great shot or not have a really good opportunity to improve somebody's uh clinical outcomes and therefore reduce downstream um healthcare costs we can engage people in their care and that's why we're so focused on on engaging people with our with our programs because we feel that's that's going to position us to drive those outcomes um and yes asp will follow that as we're able to thrive additional engagement in our um in our msk program our migraine program and our gik program as well as people doing concurrent care that is doing multiple programs at once um it will drive asp but importantly it's going to allow us to to have more a stronger clinical impact across our member base but yeah that's that's why it'll be in the second half 27 likely 28 as these new programs start maturing because they're maturing from a from a lower base and they're they're frankly less mature than our than our than our musculoskeletal care program right now got it uh maybe as a quick follow-up then on margins you know you you printed an operating margin of 33 you came in a couple points above the street i know in the prepared remarks you talked about uh the better than expected revenue performance uh supporting but can you just double click into any other levers that you know supported the growth this quarter was it around your earlier comment that smb provides the better margins or was there any particular area where you saw better cost discipline i think it's largely across the board dan mentioned i think there was a question earlier about um some more ai initiative and efficiency initiatives in the care team and dan's answer that was yes and we're pushing that across the entire organization so whether it was the sales marketing team product development even gna every part of the organization is more efficient than they were a year ago we expect that to continue and do more Thanks. Yep. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time, and I will now turn the call back to Daniel Perez for closing remarks. Again, thank you so much, everybody, for dialing in, for hearing our story, and for learning about Hinshaw's. I want to emphasize we are still in the very early innings of automating care delivery. We've demonstrated pretty good traction in MSK. a lot of runway to run in msk and now we're just trying to plant our seeds in migraine um and gi care as well and i want to emphasize that long term um we are emphasizing not just on growing revenue but free cash flow per share um and we hope you know over the coming decades um you're going to see us impact that as an organization but thank you very much This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.