KOL Investor Event - SOL-GEL TECHNOLOGIES LTD

Good afternoon to our guests that took the trouble to visit us here and to everyone that is listening to us and the soldier team that are also watching us in Israel and is our biggest support when we are along this journey. First of all, I would like to thank our great guests, the scientists who agreed to speak to you. They will be introduced later, one after the other. And we, the team of soldiers and the management team that is here, are very excited to talk to you about the prospects that we see in revolutionizing the treatment of Golin and introducing such a profound change in the life of Golin patients with our new drag SGT 610 so thank you again I will now start our presentation many of our investors are familiar with the presentation because it was in our company day but we introduced several changes that were meant to respond to frequently asked questions by you guys over the last months or two, and I hope that this presentation will add clarity in those aspects that were maybe not fully clarified until now. So to introduce ourselves, And to introduce the, ah, sorry, sorry. Introduce ourselves, Sol-gel is an experienced dermatological company, specializes in severe or if you will, rare diseases in dermatology. SGT 610 being the first product that is now approaching approval. This is our team. You see the team, all very serious-looking people. And one thing that makes me feel a bit apologetic is that we have only one lady here. And in fact, when I stepped up as the CEO last year, I was concerned about it. And I was asking myself, how can I make a change? But all these people are so talented, so experienced, so diligent. There was no one I could replace. So what slightly corrects the situation is that our VP of Clinical and Regulatory Affairs, Dr. Ofra Levi-Hakam, has two jobs, both of regulatory and clinical. and in reality I can tell you she does a job of two executives high offer and this slightly corrects the imbalance but we are fully aware that a right company these days should consist of more balanced gender ok now again so just in highlights what we are going to talk about our drug is of course first and foremost is targeted at goal in patients. I'm saying first and first because in the future I believe there will be additional indications, maybe even bigger than that, but right now we concentrate on goal in patients the mechanism is a well known mechanism, it's the blocking of the hedgehog signaling pathway and the development history as we know is that we acquired the drug from Pelopharm Pelopharn did not fail in the study or did not meet the statistical significance that they expected we made a lot of due diligence a lot of employees, several independent statistical teams, as well as world experts, and decided that the data that we will review later is really compelling, and we are biased as we are, we are quite convinced that this drug will be a success. In terms of the designation, it's an orphan drug and a breakthrough and will be the first drug to treat goal-in patients after so many years. So we are very excited about this. Now let us start with the data. This is the raw data of Pelleform Phase 3, with one addition, is that we are showing here only the observed data. namely only patients that completed 12 months treatment. So this was not the data that was submitted to the FDA, but it's the data after we eliminated those people, patients that didn't comply, that didn' t show up, that don' t have the final data. I'm making note of it because this was the source of some questions that we've been asked about the past. The Pellepham data shows this one, and you show that one. This is the data that our experts have done, our statistical team, based on the raw data of PellEPHA. So what did we learn from the Pellепham study? What observations led us to believe that this is going to be a great drug? So here is the first graph. This is a post-hoc analysis and showed that patients who have the PDCH1 mutation do not respond any better than placebo. This is a very surprising observation. Although it makes sense, it is still surprising because other studies made on hedgehog inhibitors didn't make this distinction. We know that it is valid for our drug, and we suspect that it's valid for other topical hedgehog inhibitors if in the future someone will think about developing. But this is very, very important and makes much of the change in our study. Patients without mutation has the very same response as placebo. Let's go further. I'm accustomed that someone else does this job for you, so I apologize. And here, this is one of the changes that's introduced. in order to overcome this block of 10 BCCs that people feel that this was somehow just a drug for people with 10 Bccs and more. So here is the data, and please listen to the definition. In the post-hoc analysis, a greater number of BCC at baseline was associated with larger treatment effect favoring pathogenic overall vehicle. Large treatment effect means the separation between the drug and placebo. So what you can see here is, first of two things. First of all, had we patients that have less than 10, 10 onwards, 8 onwards, 6 and up, had the very same efficacy, Very same efficacy as those of 10 and onwards. The same efficacy. And had we used a larger patient selection, namely from six BCCs onwards, we would have reached the same p-value, more or less. So 10 was used for some reasons, maybe for statistical considerations, to increase the likelihood of success in the study. But the drug efficacy is equal for two BCCs, for three BCC, for five, and for ten. The efficacy is igual because the mode of action is equal. We just inhibit the hedgehog system, we inhibit the transcription factors downside to PTC-H, and the proof is the reduction of the levels of GLE in the tumor. So the drug doesn't know if it's 2 or 10. It's the same efficacy. What is different is the response of the placebo patients. What we have realized is that while the drug is always the same, patients with a mild disease, mild stable disease, do not grow new BCCs, and therefore it is impossible for the drug to overcome the placebo and to show its advantage, because the drug is supposed to prevent BCCs to grow. If the BCC do not grow in the first place, there is no way for us to show the advantage of the drug. So, again, just I would like to hammer this because all baseline BCC's respond to the drug, but the difference is dramatic in placebos, though the placebo of low BCC number, they simply didn't grow in this particular study. Not in real life. In real life, patients with one or two or three can suddenly experience a breakup of BCCs. But in this study, these were mild patients with stable disease, and therefore we were not able to see in that small group of patients the advantage of the drug let's go further so now on the right is the graph that convinced our management I to do the deal with party the gym and for me and my family to invest a little bit a bit significant bit of additional amounts in order to support the study. So everything is in this graph. You see, despite the small number of patients that qualify, despite the high standard deviation, despite all this, we show a dramatical difference between the drug and the vehicle and the statistically significant one. What I would also suggest to take note of is that you see that the graph of the drug is almost leveling off. If we continue this graph for another three months or six months, it probably will be level off at about three because it's already asymptotic, as the technical word is. But here the slope is growing. is growing so in all likelihood three months from now it would have been eight against three so it will be the protective effect will be five BCC's it means five most surgeries they spared so this is a very powerful demonstration of how effective is the drug and it also you may recall we may go back to this slide when we talk about again about how many the patient selection you see that one year is not enough to capture the full protective effect of this drug that is the biological process so a good company when planning study and that is something that the FDA has also suggested, we'll come to it in a moment, has to find the ways, have to find the selections that will be able to reveal the potential of the drug within the limitation of number of patients, the severe disease, and with the limitation of time. In one year, we have to show as much as possible. So if we take patients that maybe will take them two years to respond because they have stable disease these patients are not suitable for that studies so this is the reason with this that convinced us to to go on with the product let's go sorry again now this is something interesting with it that maybe will give some color to the interaction with the FDA and to as a back on to our confidence that the FDA will be forthcoming and agrees to our thinking so maybe it's so important I will read it with your permission we recommend says the FDA conducting a new adequately powered randomized vehicle control trial to support the efficacy of product. However, it may be possible to identify study design elements from the completed trial that could be modified in the future trial to increase the power, such as identify more sensitive patients' population among goal-in patients, or including a broader population, such as subjects with non-goal-in high-frequency BCC. What you see here, what we did is precisely what the FDA recommended. We started a new study with what we believe is the more sensitive patients, the patients that are likely to respond to the drug, and again I wouldn't say that we are aligned with the FDA because FDA can do whatever they choose right, but certainly it is something that is in the spirit of the recommendation of the FDA so this is a summary again of what if all the improvements that we introduced in the studies two of them we refer to patient selections we use facial BCC 3 and above it was the previous study and our study was 10 and above PTCH mutation was not mandatory in the a platform study and it is mandatory in our study and that's it in terms of operational improvement we introduced several important changes that we think will improve the accuracy of the study reduced false positive or false negative and as we already know has also reduced the number of dropouts patients as a result you know every patient that drops out costs dearly to the statisticians so the fact that we have only 10% dropout is a part of is the result of some of our measures taking first of all because we're talking about goal in patients with many, many, small red dots that may be diagnosed either as BCCs or as rosacea or something. It was very important to use the dermatoscope, what we call here it's called dermoscope, in order to make the right differentiations. We know for a fact that it works, because in the previous studies we We experience a lot of what we nickname as zigzag effects, namely higher number of visits, then the second visit low, and then high again. We have, this doesn't happen in this study. So we made it mandatory to use a dermatoscope. We introduced a very qualified and central photography review board, namely every diagnosis is then revised by the specialists for the review board. If there is disagreement, they negotiate the primary investigator and the KOL from the review board until they come to the agreement. If no agreement, it is the decision of the review board member. And we simplified the number of visits. There were too many, and this was very tedious, to only six visits. The rest is virtual. This is just another summary, and you see everything that was already told, I was talking about. In addition, you see there were 41 sites, 184 patients were screened, and then enrolled only 113 that met all the inclusion and exclusion criteria and finally 102 completed just 10% which is something that we already know and we are very happy about it. The endpoints in the same age was of the last time primary is the number of new BCCs and key secondary number of new SCB which means those BCC that grow to become surgically eligible BCC. We will be monitoring also other, because this is an important treasure of data, other parameters but they are not part of the endpoint of this study. Here is the milestone, top line next month. NDA, don't pay attention that it's Q4, it's going to be next month, and NDA submission will be in April, and then approval over Q2, and and then approval somewhere after six months because we have the orphan drug status and breakthrough status, and launch in the beginning of 2028. We have strong IP protections that we believe will be an iron wall at least until 2045, we plan to continue with new applications. Now about the market opportunity. We work, our planning is based on 11,000 patients in the United States, out of which, after eliminating 10% of patients that do not have significant BCCs, despite the fact that they are diagnosed with ghrelin, and other pediatric patients that right now are not included because of safety reasons, but we believe that given the fact that our absorption, topical absorption, is one hundredth of the absorption of the blood level that we reach is 100, 1% compared to the absorption of hedgehog, oral hedgehogs, we believe that we will be able in one year or more to also add, get pediatric use and also pediatric patients. We'll do it gradually. We'll start with patients that are close to the normal heights because all hedgehog may affect the height, the growth of children. And then gradually go down as more safety data is accumulated. But here in this conservative calculations, pediatric patients were eliminated. and then we figured something like 80% adherence that would be part of our job to maintain it. And based on all this, we reached about 600,000 eligible patients based on the demographics of today. and expect, at peak sales, 65% penetration that will lead us to 4,000 patients. In Europe and the rest of the world, there are obviously more patients than in the United States. We know that there is a significant market. We are approached by patients from all parts of the word, where can I get your drug? But as you know, and I will not elaborate about this, there is a pricing issue and we have to first make sure that whatever commercial decision we take outside the United States probably because of price control in the other markets will be lower than the price of the United States. We want to make sure it will not have a negative repercussions on our American business and And therefore, we are not calculating them in our forecast, which is 860. The price will be comparable to very expensive topical drugs that were introduced, and still half of the price of that paved the way for, I would say, for expensive topical drug. The past topicals, irrespective of their efficacy and importance, were always assigned the low price category. This is no more the case. So the question is, how are we going to commercialize ourselves in the United States? There are obviously several models. One is to license a drug and get royalties. This, of course, is not the right model for us, because we want to keep the majority of the economics. And we decided to go independently, to launch in the United States. America first. The rest will be done probably with partners. And the reason why we think that a small company like us can do it successfully is that all the features of this drug, commercial features, are suitable for independent commercialization. The drug is expensive. The contribution for us is very high. The costs are low, given the fact that the target doctors, patients are maybe something like 200 centers of excellence, something that a team of 20 FTEs, assays reps, would be sufficient. and the other thing that we expect based on all our interaction with physicians mainly but also with patients, that the uptake will be very high, very fast. And why that? Because sometimes rare drugs come to the market with a very complex mode of action that the physician may not be familiar, may be skeptical, and therefore it will take time to educate him. This is not our case. Doctors know perfectly well about the efficacy of all hedgehogs, but most of the patients cannot tolerate it. So they are waiting for a drug that will be as efficient, or have close efficacy to all hedgehogs, drug, but do not have the side effects. And I believe that this is our situation. So when we come to the doctor and say, here is the drug that works very well and showed clinical data and has no side effects, we are sure that the doctor will be keen to try it. And if the success is as we expect we've done our job so this is a i know that i'm a time pressure to go quickly so how are we going to commercialize it my commercialization plan has four pillars one the first pillar is increase their awareness. We know that every drug, every drug in this, and especially in particularly, particular orphan drug, that doesn't have a therapy, both the disease, sorry, every disease that doesn' have a drug, the disease itself, and the patients go under the radar because there is nothing to give them. That is how it works. The moment a drug is made available, we will see an uprise in the number of patients and the interest. So first of all, we have to increase the awareness, use all the modern measures and social media and we'll take the right experts to first of raise the awareness. The second thing is to identify them. Awareness is not enough. Again, social medias and other measures including, of course, the relations with the physician will enable us to identify and then establish a direct contact with the patient. Ideally, we would like to know each patient. We're talking about 1,000, then 2,000 then 3,000. Not millions and not hundreds of thousands. We would like know each one by its name and to send the Christmas card each year, Christmas greeting at the right time. So and continues this close rapport with the patient. Here, we are planning to collaborate with the Golan Society. And they plan to establish regional centers excellent that will provide patients with comprehensive treatment of the disease rather than the situation today where they have to run to different places to get treatment we would like to integrate ourselves into this system to be part of the system will of course will support it also financially and so in order to make this happen as soon as possible, and increase the support to these patients, facilitate genetic testing, and everything that has to be done for the purpose of promoting the drug, but also for the of assuring the best treatment to the patient. And then the last thing, which is no less important, and we'll have a specialist that will handle this, is the retention. This is a chronic drug, and here Golan will not be any different than other diseases patients chronic drug. Especially if they see that their condition is improving, they tend to say, okay, now I'm okay, and then maybe be less strict about usage of the drug. We will be there to support them, to encourage them there, and to use all kinds of measures, webinars, and others to hamper the fact that, like in many chronic treatment, you have to adhere to the prescriptions. So adherence is a very important part of the business. It is sometimes easier if you reach a certain level to ensure adherence, to which increase your revenues by ensuring adherence. They then look for the patient number 4001. So that will be one thing, and as part of the work of ensuring, starting with the first pillar of awareness, is the first pillar of awareness. We already applied for an ICD code for Golan disease. So far, it was part of a more broad code of several genetic disorders. So we already started this proactive work and didn't wait for the approval. No signal. I think I'm close to my, so here is just, no, so this is the, what I've been speaking about right now, the broad and intensive commercialization effort that will start already now to create. And people ask us about the future of drugs. So there's many, many, if you say, ghost engines. One of them is simply the human body, because unfortunately all parts of the body body afflicted with BCCs. The most sensitive one both aesthetically and in terms of incidence is the face and therefore we started with the face but there are other areas that need protection. Each one has its own challenges but we are definitely going step by step to cover the whole body with this drug so this is just within the same patients the one important gross engine the second one is high-frequency BCC's which is as important maybe it's more prevalent maybe less devastating in terms of the number of businesses but very important market because it's a bigger market here the big challenge will be to select those patients within the high frequency BCC that have high enough incidence. We will have to use, again, very sophisticated social media analytics in order to identify them for the studies. In the real life, again the difference It will be that doctors will not be that stringent in terms of the number of BCC, but it is important for us for the success of the study to identify the right patients. And then the other thing is size reductions. The data that we have so far from the previous studies suggest that we can reduce the volume of the BCC by about 50%. We have to verify this in this study. Although it's not an endpoint, we will monitor it. And if that will be the case, that we can reduce the size, there is an important market out of the 3 billion, 3 million. You see, I'm already thinking only in the billions when thinking about soldier. But within 3 million procedures of the BCCs, there are about 100,000 that could be labeled as difficult to treat. Namely, simple mass surgery would not do the job, either because the tumor is very close to sensitive areas, like the eyes or something else, or because the patient is fed up and say I cannot endure more surgery. So for this, our product could be a very good solution. It's topical, it doesn't cause side effects, and actually we are starting and a study this month, maybe it's already started, for downsizing BCCs in sensitive areas of the face in the framework of neoadjuvant therapy, namely you first reduce and then perform the surgery. But the data that we will gain is both for the concept, let's say, of the neoadjuvant, but also – yes, I'm finishing – but also for the phase that relates only to the size, reducing the size. So there's much potential. We believe this product could be a pivotal element in the treatment of every BCC. But first of all is the few thousand patients that will provide us the first billion dollars of sales. And then we'll, as they say, first take Manhattan. Then we take other parts of the business. Thank you very much. I apologize for not controlling myself, and I am. Hi. I would like to introduce Julie Brenizer. Julie is the Associate Director of the GSA, the Golden Syndrome Alliance. Prior to this, Julie was Executive Director for five years, the President of the Board of Directors. Her early career began as a physician assistant. Julie and her two children are affected with Goulden syndrome. Julie's work with the GSA focuses on collaboration with the industry to bring potential treatment to clinical trials. Julie speaks nationally and internationally, raising awareness of Goulding syndrome and the burdens of this multi-system disorder, as well as advancing drug development for diseases. Julie, please. Thank you all for being here today. It truly means the world to me. As Ofer said, my kids and I have Gorlin syndrome. They are 34 and 33, and this is something that we have and will be monitored for every year throughout our lives, and there are lots of manifestations. Basal cell carcinomas are the biggest burden that we face every day. We have no FDA-approved treatments for any of the manifestations whatsoever. And as you'll see, we desperately need something, particularly for the basal cells. And honestly, patidigib will be life-changing for us, life-changing. And I know that sounds dramatic, but it's true. This is a collage of my face from 2 to 65. A couple of photos here to point out. In the bottom row, second from the left, I'm bald from using the hedgehog inhibitor, AeroVeg. And in the bottom room on the far right, I am recovering from having a basal cell removed and a skin cancer of a BCC with a skin graft on the tip of my nose. My story isn't all that unusual for people with Gorlin syndrome. And I hope this, by telling you today, you'll have a feel for what it's like. I was diagnosed when I was 12. At that point, I had three large jaw cysts removed with two surgical procedures. I had had manifestations since a newborn, but we didn't know that at the time. And my first BCC was removed then. And since then, I've had over 1,000 removed. I'm seen by a dermatologist several times every year and have never, ever left one of those appointments without having at least one biopsy and one excision, along with a scheduling of a Mohs procedure for more extensive removal. All of these were painful. All of them left scars. That started 56 years ago when I was 12. Separate from all of these BCCs, I've had 19 major surgical procedures for the other manifestations of Gorlin syndrome. A brief fact sheet, you'll hear more about some of these later. It's also called basal cell nevus syndrome or basal cel carcinoma nevUS syndrome. Incidence is approximately 1 in 31,000. It's an autosomal dominant disorder, which means that you'll have a 50-50 chance of passing it on to your children. and the de novo mutation or spontaneous mutation rate is about 31%. It can affect every organ system of the body, and there are over 100 possible manifestations. The most common are the basal cell carcinomas. Jaw cysts, the odontogenic keratocysts are the second most common, and the psychological burden of anxiety and of living with this disease is next. and again we have no FDA approved treatments. Some of the other manifestations I just want to mention pits on the palms of our of our hands and soles of our feet. Medulloblastoma is a malignant brain tumor in infants and toddlers. Hydrocephalus, large skulls, meningiomas are benign brain tumors, ovarian and cardiac fibromas, cleft lip and palate, the list really goes on and on. Before I dive into the psilogel product, patidigib, where it'll have the most impact for us and our quality of life, I want to touch briefly on something that Maury had in one of his later slides where it could help, and that is with the second most common manifestation, the odontogenic keratocysts, the OKCs. In my teens, we were told that these were, are benign but malignant in their recurrence rate, which is over 40%. Surgery to remove them has to be aggressive and extensive to reduce that recurrence right. And you may lose permanent teeth. You may have permanent lip numbness as a result of these surgeries. So we need something to help reduce that recurrence. And just to explain these slides a little bit, the image on the left there, The sinus, where you see a gray bubble, that is an OKC in my son. The image on the right is an MRI of another individual, and the sinus should be black. It's solid gray. It's totally opacified with an OKc that required very extensive surgery. The scans on the left were taken 18 months apart, and they show on the top, you can see the arrows pointing to a cyst. On the bottom, the image shows three cysts. 18 months later, one is a recurrence, and two others had to be removed. Since then, that in the upper jaw has been surgically resected. So historically, the cysts were packed with something initially called Carnoy solution. That's banned now, because it had chloroform in it. Not good stuff. 5-fluorouracil has been used by impregnating the gauze, packing it into the cavity, and that's had variable success. So my hope is that the use of patitigib, gauzes impreginated with patitigibe, will make a difference for us. And just briefly to give a bit more context, I've had a total of 8 OKCs removed so far. My kids have had nine and eight, and we've all had at least two recurrences. So I'm going to talk about the basal cells now. They're really a menacing presence, and I just want you to be prepared because some of the slides that I'm about to show may be disturbing, and they show why we need this product. as investors and and analysts you look at numbers in terms of dollars as a patient a parent and an individual representing people with gorlin syndrome i look at them in terms i look numbers in terms the volume of car basil cell carcinomas for the majority of us these are big and it's not just a basal cell. It's hundreds and hundreds in private places, in sun-exposed places, in non-sun-expose places, and they never stop developing. As you view these images, remember that we have no FDA-approved treatments, and some people feel that what's available to us is barbaric. So let me briefly run through these photos for you. Top left is the red areas and oozing areas are basal cells. The next image, I'm on the left there having completed a six-week course of Effudex on my scalp. That's why my hair is so red and short. The woman next to me holding her infant son both have Gorlin syndrome, and she is aiming to have more children, and so she has stopped all treatments to prepare for it. The rest of the images show people with many, many basal cells. These are images of children and adults undergoing various types of currently available treatments. The boy on the bottom right is in the recovery room after having jaw cysts removed and at the same time while under general anesthesia he had a number of basal cell treated with laser by his dermatologist this is a difficult slide to view for me for lots of reasons the bottom row is a family affair that's my son on the left me in the middle and my daughter on the right two years ago she had a Mohs surgery of a lesion right here and it ended up being a three and a half inch by four inch defect that required significant plastic surgery to reconstruct it. For everyone affected and involved, the disease burden is obviously tremendous and never goes away. Just like the sun rises and sets, the BCCs never stop developing. So back in 2021, the Gorlin Syndrome Alliance completed a global survey and one of the questions we asked was about the number of BCCs that you have developed. On the left, you see numbers of Bccs on the face, neck, and scalp. Forty-five percent of the respondents at that time had over 50 BCC on their face, necks, and scalps. The slide on the right represents respondents with BCCs on other parts of their body. 42% had over 50, and 5% had over 1,000. So what are our options? There are lots of them. All of them are difficult. Allof them are particularly with the number of BCC's that we have. The surgical ones all cause pain, permanent scarring, and disfigurement. The topical ones often are painful, messy, they scar, and they can take weeks. And the oral hedgehog inhibitors, they're great, but for most people, the BCCs come back, and they're hard. Chemo, they are oral chemo. You lose your hair, you lose your ability to taste many foods, the muscle cramps vault you out of bed in the middle of the night, so sleep is heavily disrupted. And immunotherapy is available, Libtyo, though it hasn't shown success in people with Gorlin syndrome. All of this put together, all of these treatments, end up causing us to lose, on average, 25 days per year to treatments and life and recovery because This takes time, and those numbers are from a global survey that we did a few years ago. We desperately need more options, ones that don't cause a scar. Ideally, they are not painful. There are no injections. And while recovering, there's no oozing or scabbing like you saw in some of the images earlier. Soljo's product, Pititijib, offers just this. No scars, no oozing, no injections, fewer physician visits, less time lost from life. There's nothing else that does that, nothing. Over the last five years, the Garland Syndrome Alliance has surveyed the community three times asking a question about what would make a difference. One of these was during our externally led patient-focused drug development meeting for the FDA, the affected audience was asked, would a preventive treatment that reduces the development of new basal cell carcinomas by 30% with no challenging side effects be an improvement on your current options? Ninety-four percent said yes. A patient-preferred and clinically meaningful reduction of the volume of BCCs by 30 percent would be, is hugely desired. We're born soldiers fighting lifelong battles. We didn't enlist in them. We desperately need something that slows or interrupts the constant tide of basal cell carcinoma development and reduces the size of those that are present. We are not, nor will we ever be cancer survivors. We live with it every single day. And we're considered never cancer-free and never in remission. We can never ring the bell indicating that our treatments are done. None of the treatments we have now are adequate. It's simply not possible to keep pace with the rate with which we produce BCCs. Another way to say this is that the rate of BCC development is greater than that of removal. Those of us living with Gorlin syndrome view life through a lens of not knowing that we will, or knowing that will always have cancers developing, always have appointments with dermatologists, skin cancer surgeons, and other specialists. As one parent wrote, the act, the ache of knowing a future I cannot shield her from is deep and penetrating. It comes with a morbid assurance of constancy. There will never be a time when she won't have to worry about cancer, when she can pause the march of cuts across her body. Ptitegib can change this for us. Thank you in advance for helping us keep scars off these cute little faces. I would like to introduce Dr. Ervin Epstein. Dr. Epstein was a practicing dermatologist for more than 50 years in the San Francisco Bay Area. He led an academic research lab funded by the NIH for 45 years. Dr. Eppstein has also served on the board of numerous dermatological organizations, including the American Dermatological Association. His publication have appeared in the New England Medical Journal of Medicine, Nature, and Science. Dr. Epstein. I don't believe I've followed our previous speaker before. Tough act to follow. Very, very moving. I've been interested in this disease. It's 1970, 50 years, but never had the experience of living with it like she did. Very remarkable. In addition to what was said before, I think, I am a co-founder and consultant to Pella Farm, the preceding company that developed this drug, and I've been a consultant to SolGel since they took over the baton. My topic is overall the study of the story about hedgehog signaling and hedgehog inhibitors in BCCs, and specifically the BCCS are driven by excessive hedgehog signaling pathway activity, and that patch mutant BCC's are susceptible to smoothen binding hedgehog inhibiters, including most particularly patinogib gel. So the question is, how did we get here from Gorland syndrome to the hedgehog signaling as a driver of all BCCs? In 1960, Robert Gorland, who was a dentist, was the last person to describe the Gorland Syndrome in the same way that Columbus was the first person to write the Gorlan Syndrome. He was the latest person to prescribe Americum. He got the credit for it. He published in the New England Journal instead of in the dermatology journals. He deserves all the credit he can possibly have. In 1980, 20 years after he described it, Christine Neuschlein-Volhard and Eric Wieschaus published the results of a massive fruit fly mutagenesis study. So they zapped fruit fly larvae and looked to see what kind of mutations would develop. And they found lots and lots of them, remodeled the whole disease, and included the hedgehog phenotype. And why did they call this phenotype hedgehog? Because other names were already taken, including particular... The other one. And in 1996, we, as part of the Global Village, identified the patch mutation as being the site of the mutations that underlie most cases of Gorlin syndrome. So that raises the question, what is a signaling pathway, right? Who knows? Who's comfortable with what is the signaling pathway here? Wow, 0%. That's terrific. Anything I say, you'll believe. So to me, I think the easiest way to think about it is it's the nervous system of the individual cell. You bake a cake. You put your hand on the cake. You say, oh, my goodness. There are signaling receptors here in the palm that say, hot. They send that message up to the back of the spine, and the spine sends out signals saying, move your arm, dummy. It changes the behavior of your hand based on the information that they find from the outside. That's what these signaling pathways do. They monitor the environment of the cell, and then they tell the cell how to behave differently and change their behaviors in accordance with what they find outside. And what specifically is the hedgehog signaling pathway? Specifically, it is one of the major pathways by which this amazing thing happens. I don't think anything is more amazing in biology. A single fertilized cell turns into the multicellular newborn and it does it in nine months in the dark with no instructions this is how it does its its thing specifically what is it and on the molecular molecular side these are old pictures but they're the easiest the modern modern ones are harder to understand so on the left the pathway is inactive. And on the top, you see at the outside of the cell, at the cell surface, on the left is a protein called smoothing, and on the right is a protein called patched. You see that? Yes. Please nod. Thank you. You're good. You nod. And when the signaling pathway is inactivated, the patch inhibits signaling by the smoothen. okay that's inactive and on the right when hedgehog comes along outside the outside of the cell in the environment it stops inhibiting smoothing so smoothen acts and tells goes sends the message to the brain of the cell eventually known as the nucleus and that sends out new messenger RNA, which does make proteins, change the behavior of the cell, go make an eye, go make a head, go making a hair follicle. So that's the basics. For those of you who want to be more in the weeds, there's this funny signaling pathway cartoon. You see there's a little excrescence on the outside of the shell, a little, as we in dermatology call them, pimple. And this is a signaling hub that does a lot of the signaling work of the cell. And what PATCH does is it keeps the protein of smoothing outside of this. Because if it gets in, as shown on the right, then it sends a signal to the brain, to the nucleus, we've got to do something different, guys. So these are out of date, but they're easier to understand than the more modern ones. So I said earlier that BCCs are driven by excess hedgehog signaling. That's the crucial thing. That's what I want to leave you with. So there are four series here of data that argue for that. The first and functional one, foundational one, was in 1996. our lab plus a dozen other labs in the Global Village identified that most cases of Gorlin syndrome, which has lots of BCCs, of course, as you've just seen, is that the patch gene has the mutations which underlie the Gorlin's syndrome in most cases. In the United States, in the EU, at least in our study, the Phase II trial that you've seen discussed before, or 85% of clinically diagnosed patients with Gorlin syndrome have a mutation in patch that you can readily identify by current standards. Less than 5% have a SUFU mutation, a downstream inhibitor, a downstream block, and at least 10% we don't know where they are. Okay? So that's the main thing, is that if you look at patients in their families, the gene that's passed down from one to another that's mutant is patched one. Secondly, if you take that information and you're a mouse person, you make a mouse that has an abnormality that upregulates head drug signaling. And these mice get basal cell carcinomas. And in fact, despite it being by far the most common of human cancers, there was no mouse model before this of basal cell carcinomas. But when you make a Gorlin mouse that has a mutation in patch one, then they get lots of BCCs, especially if you treat it with ultraviolet light or radiation, which will give BCC to all of us. Third is the hedgehog signaling pathway as assessed by the amount of messenger RNA that codes proteins that are downstream effectors of the hedgehog signaling pathway, if you look at that, they are upregulated in all human BCCs, whether it's sporadic or in people with heritable disorder. Okay, okay, not all have been tested, but enough have been testing that you can say it's pretty much all of them and be pretty confident. Finally, oral hedgehog inhibitors, as we've heard before, and I bet most of you knew about that, are very strongly effective in inhibiting VCC formation, remarkably so, as shown, I think, yes, in the next section, which is a paper that we did looking at Eravage. This is not results with oral, it's a result with oral hedgehog inhibitors, but not patinogib. But the patinigib results are published in what's used orally has about the same results as does Aravage. But this is Aravange. And on the right, you can see what happens if you take Flopzivo, and on the left, you can seewhat happens if we take Vizmotogib, and each line of the spider plot represents an individual patient. So on the upper right, you can see that in the placebo, lots of new BCCs were developing during the course of the year of the trial. They all went up. And in the ones on Vismotrigem on the left, they didn't go up. Probably the ones that went up were the ones we personally missed seeing. And below is the results, not in preventing development of new VCCs, but in shrinking existing VCC. So you can the one on the right, the left, they all got smaller. And in fact, that study shows that if you take one pill of Aravage for a year, you have an 80% likelihood that all the BCCs that are there at the beginning, maybe 100 of them, are gone. If you look at the skin and if you biopsy the skin and look at it out of the microscope, they're also gone. But when you stop it, they come back. So, the other question is, why do we think that small molecules could inhibit hedgehog signaling? It is a, what I think is an absolutely great story, and I would recommend you go, wait till we're through, but afterward, go to your, go on YouTube, thank you, thank you very much. Go to YouTube and look up the mystery of the one-eyed sheep. Here is a one- sheep on the left. And there was an epidemic in the 50s in Idaho of one-eyed sheep being born, as well as a bunch of other bad things happening to them. And government, remember the federal government went out and did things that were good? They went out, and they found out that it wasn't an infection. It was that the pregnant ewes were eating the corn lily, the California core lily. And on the right, in the middle, is the picture of the flower, and on the left is the weed. Later, inthe 60s, somebody came out and found that they actually isolated the alkaloid that produced this mutation in the sheep, inl the lambs. Here is, how many people go to the movies here? How many people have time to do that? You see this handsome-looking fellow? He is Polyphemus, right? And this is a picture of him as shown in the recent Odyssey. And he is doing this handsome looking dude is eating some of Odysseus' men. And since he was a cyclops and named Polyphemous, this alkaloid was named, of course, cyclopamine. And patinogib is a derivative of that material. So the object here is to reduce the burden of basal cell carcinomas. Right? Okay. So here is a cartoon that shows that reduction, how you can reduce new basal cell carcinomas. On the top line, there's no reduction. And you can see that the normal skin on the left is converted into a beautiful basal cel carcinoma on the right. You all see that, right? Good. In the middle is prevention. Like if you did gene therapy on a patient with Gorlin syndrome and you eliminated the very first starting of the BCCs, there would be no basal cél carcinomies. That's probably not what we're doing. What we're probably doing is the thing on the bottom, which is interception. We are preventing them from getting big enough to bother. And that's the same with Aravage, because when you stop it, they come back. So here you can see on the left that the head drug inhibitor in the middle is inhibiting the development of BCCs. That's interception, this is a concept. Elizabeth Blackburn introduced 15 years ago and a concept that other people have been talking about. And indeed, it's a very hot thing in oncology these days because there have been papers in the past year that have been very exciting, showing a reduction in the development of new lung cancers and a reduction of the development of new pancreatic cancers and people who are going to get these otherwise. So this is a big deal, and we're right in the middle of that kind of thing. But we bring a history of being dermatologists where we've been using 5-fluorouracil to treat precancerous squamous cell carcinomas for 60 years. So this is just building on that well-trodden path. So these are the four bases on which this lies, and if it works well so orally, surely it'll do the same topically. How could we mix? Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. I would like to introduce Dr. Kavita Sarin. Kavitha is a professor of dermatology and the director of the Stanford Skin Cancer Genetics Program at Stanford Cancer Institute. She received her medical degree from Stanford University School of Medicine and holds a PhD in genetics from Stanford university. Their lab applies cutting-edge sequencing and imaging technologies to better understand skin cancer and rare immunologic skin diseases. Dr. Sarin, please. Thank you very much. Well, Julie gave such a moving presentation on the life of someone affected with Gorlin syndrome, and I think that probably shares more than even what I can share, but I will share the perspective of a physician who treats patients with Gordland syndrome. And I think the commonality you'll find between all of our talks today is that there's just really a desperate need for treatment. My one disclosure is that I've done some consulting with Solgell on their genetic testing program. So as Dr. Epstein mentioned, Gordand germ is an autosomal dominant tumor predisposition syndrome. What that means is that if you have Gorlin syndrome, your children have a 50% chance of inheriting the syndrome. The estimated prevalence has a wide range from 1 in 31,000 to 1 in 256,000. I will tell you personally, it is much more likely to be closer to the 1 in31,000 I will see a lot of patients who have not been diagnosed until adulthood until they come into our clinic with Gorlin's syndrome. There's a severe under diagnosis of Gorlin syndrome, and because of that, an over-surgery-ization of patients. And 20 to 40 percent of patients come in newly diagnosed with Gorlin syndrome without having any family member affected with Gorlund syndrome. As Julie mentioned, the tumors can appear everywhere, frequently on sun-exposed areas, certainly on non-sun-expose areas, too. There can be any histologic subtype, and they can be pigmented, and can start very young and not look like basal cell cancers. Over half of patients with Gordland syndrome have their first tumor by the time they're 20, three-quarters by the times they're 40, and they can develop hundreds to thousands in a lifetime. And what's unique, I see a lot of tumor predisposition syndromes in my clinic, but what's really unique about Gordand syndrome is how tightly the mutation is tied to the drug target. So patched one is mutated in 85% of patients with Gorlin syndrome, and I won't go over the pathway. Irv just did a beautiful job doing that, but I think the point is that patched 1 is a direct inhibitor of smoothened, which is the drug target. So it's very rare when an oncologic disease or tumor predisposition syndrome to have both the genetic mutation just so tightly tied to the therapeutic drug target, there is a second mutation that we see, which are SUFU mutations, but that occurs in only about 5% of patients with Gorlin syndrome and is downstream of the drug target, so downstream of smoothened. As I mentioned, I'm diagnosing a lot of patients as adults who have been missed as children, and the diagnosis is primarily clinical, so basal cell cancer is one of the hallmarks of the diagnosis, but especially when we're diagnosing them as kids, a lot times we're diagnosing because they're referred for an oral surgeon because of the donogenic keratosis of the jaw, which can be really devastating, actually, and so then they get referred in for evaluation for Gorlin syndrome. There are other findings as well, as Julie mentioned, but I would say the basal cell cancers and the adenogenic keratosis are probably the two primary ways that patients are getting referred into our clinic. There are radiographic abnormalities, but in this age of genetic testing, I rarely use radiographs to do diagnostic clinical criteria testing. almost always straight to genetic testing at this point. This is an example of a child, one of my kids, with Gorlin syndrome. He's of Indian descent, and I just wanted to bring this up with the photos I've chosen to use today to say this is not just a condition that affects white European patients. I see patients who are Hispanic, I see people who are Indian, I've seen patients of all skin types, and they develop basal cell cancers. And what I want to show you in this patient is that the basal cell cancers don't necessarily look like basal cancers, and this is why they're getting misdiagnosed. If you look at this child, and I hope you can appreciate, both on the face, these tiny little brown spots, they almost look like moles or skin tags, on the face and on the shoulder here in the sun-protected area. Every single one of those is a basal cancer. This young child had over 50 basal-cell cancers on their skin. And then the palmer pits, the planter pits, which don't show up as well. For this child, he was referred in for his adenogenic keratosis, which can be quite devastating. In the course of three years, he underwent surgery four times under general anesthesia for the treatment of adenogenesis keratoses. And I also similarly went in while he was under anesthesia. And similar to one of the photos Julie said, we actually did a different thing, what we called an EDNCS scrape and burn. scraped and burned his basal cell cancers while he was under general anesthesia. And the basal cells cancers in children can look actually even histologically a little bit different than adults, a little bit more like primitive almost while they're young. And this is a patient, even though he meets clinical diagnostic criteria for Gorlin syndrome, that we order genetic testing. And at this point, we're ordering genetic testing for every patient where we suspect Gorlin Syndrome. And why is that? One is for clinical diagnosis. The second is for family testing, because if we know the mutation, then we can test first-degree family members to see if they also may have undiagnosed Gordland syndrome. Also for prenatal testing or family planning. And the third reason is because it could affect both their prognosis as well as their clinical care. There is some data to suggest that the type of mutation you have in Gordand syndrome dictates your care, for example, or the types of conditions you might develop. For example, if you have patched 1 mutations, you might be more likely to get adenogenic keratosis than if you had a SUFU mutation. Patients with a SUFI mutation may be more like to get medulloblastoma. We've also found that treatment responsiveness, and this has mostly been published in case reports, there's not been really great studies done on this, but that treatment responsiveness to oral smoothing inhibitors also depends on the patch versus SUFI mutation, And because SUFU is downstream of smoothing inhibitors or hedgehog inhibitors, patients with SUFUS mutations are more likely to be resistant. So this is the reason why we're ordering genetic testing on every patient at this point who comes into clinic. So once we have diagnosed a patient with Gorlin syndrome, what we really do is shift their view from just surgery to remove every single cancer to monitoring. And this is because surgery, if you have every single cancer removed, just like Julie presented so beautifully, it really can lead to significant surgical exhaustion, functional impairment, disfigurement. And so we really have to shift the mindset. We're not going to try to cure every single basal cell cancer from your skin. We're going to them from becoming life-threatening to watch you carefully and to manage them so what does that look like well we do a full skin exam every three to six months we certainly start discuss photo protection and the way we do our photography is we have this can feel to 2d image full body photography so patients stand kind of like this and different poses and we take full body photography of all the lesions on their body so we can track all the tumors and And our goal, again, is triage rather than treat and cure everything. And there are some good 2026 guidelines, consensus statements on sort of the severity of Gorlin syndrome, but for every patient with Gorlin's syndrome, it's pretty much getting full-body photography and at least every six-month clinical exams. And this is another patient. This is a Hispanic patient on the right. You can see the development of pigmented basal cell cancers. They can look like moles. Sometimes people think they have melanoma. but I just want to show kind of the variety of what these tumors can look like. And while you see two big ones, he actually has numerous, probably on the order of 40 or 50 on the face, and they present as tiny little spots as well. So what are our treatment options? Well, topical, we have sort of three options that we can consider. Imiculamide, which is a topical immunotherapy, 5-fluorouracil, which istopical chemotherapy, therapy, and photodynamic therapy, which is a photosensitizing destructive therapy. All three of these cause a lot of redness and scaling, and we primarily are using them to treat the most superficial type of basal cell cancer. So a miquimod, six weeks of therapy, to a superficial basal cancer can cause inflammation, but can lead to a response in about 75% of tumors. I think it's a little lower with Gordland syndrome. I'm not sure why, but that's the case. 5-FU topical chemotherapy also causes a lot of crusting, irritation, scabbing, but can also help with the most superficial basal cell cancers. And photodynamic therapy is very similar, causes redness and crusting in the areas that are treated, but can work. The reason this is not effective, you know, we don't use this more broadly outside of the side effects, is that it really only works for the most supernatural type of basal CANCERS WHICH ARE THE MINORITY OF BASAL CELL CANCES THAT FORM IN THESE PATIENTS AND AGAIN WE DO USE THIS THOUGH BECAUSE WE WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SURGERIES PROCEDURAL THERAPY SO ELECTRODESICCATION AND CURITAGE THIS IS WHAT I DID FOR THE THE YOUNG BOY WHEN HE WAS UNDER GENERAL ANESTHESIA SORT OF A SCRAPE AND BURN APPROACH TO TREATING THEM BUT IT CAN WORK YOU CAN DO MULTIPLE EACH ONE OF THOSE CAN LEAVE A DEPRESSED SCAR ON THE SKIN and then certainly the definitive therapy for removing a basal cell cancer is excision and Mohs surgery so we'll refer for that those as well we do not use radiation therapy in this group of patients because it's they're photosensitive they're highly likely to develop new tumors in the site of radiation this is an example of one of my patients on oral hedgehog inhibitors oh this is the one I showed earlier so you can see the basal cancers in In addition to the two big ones, which do not change, underneath his left eye, I want you to look at all those tiny ones. And you can see that many of the tiny, small ones actually completely disappear fully and not visible at all under treatment. You can also see some of the hair loss that continues to develop over time in patients. And what you can't see are the side effects. Oral hedgehog inhibitors, the genetics kind of prove out the hedgehog inhibiton. The oral hedgehogs inhibitors I feel like prove it out in clinical trials and in clinical experience. they have very high efficacy in decreasing the number of new surgical eligible BCCs in the study that Dr. Epstein ran and in clinical experience. The bigger problem is the tolerability. So 54% of patients discontinued the drug because of adverse side effects, and those adverse side-effects can affect daily life. They can be like muscle cramps, which make it difficult to work, or do your daily activity. Taste changes. I've had patients stop for taste changes. It's quite amazing how much someone's enjoyment of life depends on their ability to taste food. And so stopping the ability to taste food can actually be a huge and unexpected to me, at least initially, until like talking about reasons why patients will stop treatment. And then there's the hair loss, weight loss, fatigue, and other things. But I would say those three, the taste changes, the muscle cramps, I would say those two are probably the biggest reasons for discontinuing treatment. It's also highly teratogenic, as you saw from the earlier photos that Irv showed, and we don't use this in kids because of the side effects as well. And, while this works for our advanced and metastatic basal cell cancer patients, these toxicities really are very limiting for long-term use for a chronic condition like Gorlin syndrome. So in practice, because basically every 100 percent of patients I put on oral hedgehog inhibitors with continuous dosing will stop 100 percent. There's no one who continues it without stopping. We've moved to intermittent dosing, and that's where we put them on for a period of time and then take them off and put them on and take them off and there is data to support this. This is the MICI trial. The MICI trials examined two different doses of intermittent use of hedgehog inhibitors and found actually very high efficacy between 54 and 62 percent efficacy. So very high efficiency with intermittent hedgehogs inhibitors. A decrease in tumor size and this worked both in Gordland syndrome as well as patients with high frequency basal cell cancer. The problem and I'd say the positive of this is that it significantly reduced the side effects So about 23% discontinued the medication with intermittent therapy compared to the 54% that was with the continuous dosing. But the toxicity is still there. 95% of patients had a drug-related side effect with the hedgehog inhibitor, and 47% paused for some reason. So this helps, but it's not perfect. We need better treatments. So that is pretty much – I'm not going into the immunotherapy because I don't think it works very well in Gorlin syndrome, though it works for other cancers very well. But this is pretty much the state of the art of our treatment arsenal for basal cell cancers in Gorlin syndrome. So I think surveillance and photography is standard. Everyone's going to get it. Everyone has it. It's just part of care. And then the topicals for the most superficial tumors, they have side effects. But for very superficial ones and individually treated, they can be effective. The other treatments, like electro-destrication and cure-a-tache, and certainly Mohs surgery, are much more definitive, but they leave scars and lead to significant surgical exhaustion. And the oral hedgehog inhibitors are a mainstay. Over half my patients on Gordland syndrome are on oral hedgecock inhibitors. But we're limited by their side effects, and even for our patients who do choose to stay on them, they have to live a life experiencing those side effects of the medication. So the gap in our treatment is a tolerable treatment that can lower the rate of new tumors for our patients without the significant side effects, and that's what we're lacking. I would like to introduce Dr. Elizabeth Blingsley. Dr. Blingsely is a professor of dermatology at Penn State University College of Medicine and practices dermatologic surgery and MOSS surgery with Penn State Health. She received her medical degree from Penn State College of Medicine. She does clinical research and tries in cutaneous oncology and Golan syndrome, and she's the past president of the American College of MOSS Surgery. Dr. Blingsley. Thank you very much, and thanks to our previous speakers for really outlining the challenges of Gorlin syndrome and the need for an effective treatment for all these affected individuals. As mentioned, I do clinical research on skin cancer, and I have done recently some clinical trials with Regeneron and Solgel as well, and I've also done some consulting in the area as well. So we've certainly heard that Gorlin's syndrome, the manifestations, These patients do get tens to hundreds or even, as Julie mentioned, can get 1,000 skin cancers over their lifetime. I think the key thing is it's a lifelong condition. We cannot cure these patients. They are going to be developing skin cancers throughout their life. We need a treatment that they can use throughout their lives. As a surgeon, I know the numerous surgeries we cause scarring. We scar these patients as we treat the skin cancers. And because of that, and because it's a lifelong condition, patients often burn out. They develop surgical fatigue. They get tired of the surgeries. They get tried of the pain. They get tire of taking off work. It's a big deal to keep coming in over and over again for a surgery. When they get surgical fatigue, the tumors keep growing, and we eventually see them later on. And the tumors are bigger, and the surgeries are bigger at that point. Julie showed some pictures that were clinically can be disturbing I'm going to be showing similar pictures because sort of what I do I do surgery this is a patient I saw within the past couple months it's a young woman in her 20s and you can see her her skin is sort of studded with basal cells this is not uncommon this was her surgical defect after clearing just the spot on her nose and you can she's got other lesions as well that are going to need treatment. This is what happens when these patients neglect treatment. If they say, I can't do it anymore, I'm tired of surgeries, they grow. Basal cells in general will not spread through the body. It's very, very rare for them to kill a patient. As far as metastases, it can happen. In general, what happens is these tumors get bigger and very locally destructive and incredibly disfiguring. And at this point, it's very hard to surgically treat a lesion like this. This is not an uncommon clinical situation for a patient with Gorland syndrome. The photo on the left shows two small. These are not actually big defects, surgical defects, after clearing the tumor, and this is getting clear surgical margins. But in looking at her, looking up on her temple, there's five more spots that at some point we are going to have to treat. We want to treat them when they're small. So thinking, you know, what is the goal in how we can help our individuals who have Gorland's syndrome? And the goal truly is can we prevent the basal cell development? We're not going to cure the disease, but can we prevent development of basal cells? Can we slow the growth? Can we limit the need of surgeries? Overall, can we decrease the number of surgeries these patients have to go through? So we've just heard a bunch of the options that we have. The topical treatments, we can use them. It really takes a whole sort of smorgasbord of treatment options. The topic of treatments can work. They're not great. They usually work on the lesions that are very superficial and not all of them. The oral medications, as we know, the hedgehog inhibitors can be very effective but are very challenging to tolerate. Photodynamic therapy, again, very superficial lesions, not a pleasant thing to go through, can help for some, but surgery really is the gold standard. Sun protection and education is a constant discussion with our individuals. They need to continually be reminded You need to protect yourself from the sun. But a big part of it as well is support, emotional support, keeping our patients involved. Don't give up. Don't neglect your care. So because I am a surgeon, I'm going to be talking really about the surgical approach. And we did hear about curatage or electrodessication and curatagem. That's a burning that you can do with the scraping, excision, and most surgery. Those are the three main surgical approaches we have. This is curataje. The curette is that instrument on the right there. It's just sort of like a sharp little scraping instrument. We essentially just scrape off the skin cancer. We create a brush burn type wound. Very effective for simple lesions that are superficial. A patient like this, we often usually use it from the neck down because the scars, they're not pretty, but they are fairly acceptable on the trunk. We tend not to do this on the face nearly so much. But you can see even with Gorlin, these are two different patients. you really would be significant scraping and a lot of destruction of all the skin on their trunk and back, but it is an effective way to take care of these. Surgical excision is essentially when we just cut out the skin cancer with a margin of what appears to be normal skin. We cut it out, send it to the lab, they check the margins, but we sew it up while the patient and the patient goes home. And this would be a Gorlin patient. You can see small other scars on her neck. At this point, she wouldn't need most surgery with this, but you can cut out this lesion and sew it together. But Mohs surgery is really used very, very frequently for patients with Gorlin syndrome because it offers the advantage of tissue sparing and a little bit higher cure rate. And what Mohs Surgery is, for anyone who doesn't really know, it's an excisional technique where while the patient is waiting, we actually take that tissue into our lab and we examine 100% of the surgical margin, which is different than a standard excision. So when we're looking at 100% percent of the margin is really how we process the tissue, it allows us to take less normal skin around each skin cancer. That gives us a little bit higher cure rate, but essentially allows us to spare more tissue. We have appropriate use criteria for performing Mohs surgery, and the one we do feel it is indicated is for tumors that are recurrent, they've been treated and have come back, because with other methods, when there's scar tissue, the cure rates drop. Tumors where the tissue conservation is critical. So if you have a tumor on the eyelid margin, on the lip, on the tip of the nose, or on the ear, you really don't have a whole lot of extra tissue to take. So you really want to take it with a small clinical margin. Aggressive histology. Some basal cells, though they don't behave necessarily more aggressively under the microscope, they're more aggressive in that they infiltrate more widely. Mohs surgery is in the appropriate use criteria. And Gorlin syndrome patients are in the appropriate use criterion for Mohs surgery because of the need for tissue sparing. The problem is it takes a long time, so we cannot treat every skin cancer with Mohs surgery. It shows a clinical example of how you can treat a small skin cancer and preserve a lot of normal tissue. It's hard to see, but the picture on the left is a very small basal cell in the eyelid margin. This is not a Gorlin patient. This is just to show you how Mohs Surgery can remove it. A very small defect, so that's nice. That would be very effective. Here's an example of a basal cel on an upper lip. And although that looks like a large wound, it's much smaller than would be needed with a standard excision. But if we go back to our Gorlin patients, if you can see, many of these lesions would qualify. They could be treated with Mohs surgery, but each one of these would be another visit of a three- or four-hour appointment. And it's actually overwhelming to think of treating each one of these small basal cells individually with Moh's surgery. So it's an overwhelming task, although it would work. So from a surgeon's perspective, even though I enjoy doing surgery, I want to decrease the number of surgeries that a Gorlin patient needs to have, decrease the numbers, and also decrease the extent, make the lesions smaller. If we can have a smaller basal cell, it's a smaller surgery, smaller wounds, smaller scar. Patients have different goals. Some patients want all of their skin cancers treated. Other patients want just the ones that are becoming more crusted, more aesthetically bothersome. I'm very focused on when tumors are close to the eye, because we don't want anything to infiltrate into the eye. And it really does take a team approach, working with our individuals, what's their goal for what they want treated. But in general, everybody wants smaller lesions, fewer surgeries. So what would I think is a meaningful efficacy outcome for a new treatment option for treating our gorline individuals? Can we prevent new lesions? Can we cure some of the smaller lesion? we make some of the bigger lesions smaller. Again, fewer surgeries for patients, fewer scars, smaller scars. And also having another treatment option creates an optimism and a motivation for our patients because we cannot lose them. We cannot have them disappear. And in thinking about what kind of reduction would make a difference for a patient, I think 30% reduction in the number surgeries that a patient has to have is significant that's 30% fewer days off work 30% viewer scars this is actually the sister of the the woman I showed you in the very beginning with the wound on her nose and so you can see she's got lots of small tiny basal cells she's not quite as affected as her sister something like this where it's small lesions if we can treat them with something that can make them go away other than surgery or shrink them the The scars will be better. The scars would be fewer. Sometimes when these patients have a lot of tiny, tiny, small basal cells, even as you cut each one out, the defects start running into each other, and many, many small lesions can still create a larger defect, which means a larger scar. If we can shrink them or make them go away, that would be ideal. Fewer surgery also keeps that relationship going. We keep talking about the team approach, the importance of motivation and optimism for this patient population. If we can keep them, if we can manage their disease with treatments that are much more acceptable to their life and improve the quality of their life, I think we've made a difference. And it is just one more option. It's not an option that's going to solve it. We need a basket of opportunities that we can use to treat the patients. But if we have something that is well tolerated, the other ones, other topical treatments that are – that we discussed earlier create a lot of redness, burning, discomfort, unsightliness. We need something that can be well-tolerated. We will really increase the motivation. The other thing about something that is used topically and built into a regimen, it also increases a patient's awareness and continual reminder that they need to prevent sun exposure and that every day of their life, for the rest of their lives, they need think about protecting themselves from the sun. So prevention, reduction, and slowing progression are all meaningful outcomes. This would not be a bad outcome for a patient who is affected with Gordland syndrome to come in and have a few small lesions removed. But I'm going to show this gentleman here who's a wonderful young man. This was probably about three months ago. He's in his 40s, and we can't keep him coming back to clinic. He disappears. He comes in, we'll treat him, and then he goes away. He is a caterer. He has his own catering business. He can't take time off of work, and he hates surgery. So he came in because a spot on his right cheek was bothering him, and it was bleeding and, you know, all over his pillowcases and was becoming a little unsightly. So we treated it, and that was his Mohs defect from that day, and we were able to put a skin graft on it, but it was a long day. It was not a pleasant day. He was very concerned about the work that he had to do the next day. We got him through it, but when I brought him back to talk about, you know, now we have to go, he's got this large one on his nose, he said, I'm going to disappear for a while. He was very straightforward. He's given up again, and he would be an ideal candidate for something that could be fit into his work routine, that he would not have to take off work. Can we shrink it? Can we treat lesions? Can we treatment at an early stage and prevent progression so that he's not going to have to undergo another extensive surgery and loses motivation. So management and care, we want to optimize the quality of life for these individuals. We want to prevent the need for so many surgeries. We want a decreased scarring disfigurement, and we need multiple treatment options to really have a long-lasting impact that these patients can have for the rest of their life because they're going to be dealing with this forever. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, thank you all for the presentations. Thank you all for your presentations. A few questions. Dr. Epstein, what is your vision for SGT610 in the future of cutaneous dermatology? That's a big question. And, you know, my hope is that people who need it, who have had BCCs, I've had five, I'd use it, will be able to not have any more. And maybe it'll be 50% fewer, maybe it will be more, but I think that the earlier people use it the more likely it is to be successful. That's the interception I did. And if we can treat one cell tumors, we may have much better cures than anything else for this. and put all the Mohs surgeons out of business. That's okay. I've heard that from other Mohs surgeons that these people are very difficult to treat and getting them off the plate would be a wonderful thing for them as well as the patients. Thank you. Dr. Serin, if SGT610 lives up to its promise, would you expect to use it in patients for whom you currently use oral adjuvant inhibitors? Yeah, I mean, I think what we need is a treatment that doesn't have the same side effect profile. So if it's highly tolerable with a 30% decrease in new tumors, I couldn't see a reason why every single patient, almost every patient I have with a moderate to high burden of basal cell cancers would not want to be on this. And so I would probably prescribe this to the majority of patients, including many who are on oral hedgehog inhibitors. There may be some who stay on oral and hedgehog inhibitors because they may have such a high surface area, including truncal areas, areas on their legs, where they might need the benefit of an oral treatment despite the significant side effects that treats their entire body. But I would say this would be highly popular among almost all of my patients. Dr. Blinsley, do you think patients with low burden of the disease should also be treated with SGT6 then? Yeah, I think with a low burden, because we know that life goes on and eventually even a low-burden should become a high burden. It will be development of basal cells throughout their lifetime. if you can start the use of a topical that has a preventive effect and you can start that early you could prevent significant number of surgeries down the road. What magnitude of reduction in new facial businesses would you consider as clinically meaningful? As I mentioned I think 30% is you know a reasonable acceptable rate because that is 30% fewer visits 30% viewer scars Julie do you believe that patients will be willing to apply preventive drug every day for many many years absolutely no doubt in my mind I'd much rather and I think all of us would much rather apply this knowing that our burden will be reduced than knowing that we have to go for surgery every few months. Maury, how should investors think about the difference between 30% and 50% reduction in new BCCs? Well, the 30% figure has already been addressed by Dr. Bilinski. 30% is an excellent number, and that is something that the doctors will be very happy with. our post hoc analysis showed around 50% so I think that will be even better 50 is better than 30 and 60 is better than 50 so we keep hoping and if we don't reach that high number this study we will do it in our next study we will try to improve it until we reach the vision of nerve, no more tumors, no more surgeries. Thank you. Mori, why does Solger believe that its proposed commercialization model is optimal? Well, I listed the reasons why I think that it is optimal. I just, very fast, I will reiterate, the product, the target audience, the market, the physicians that we have to address are not very large like with, I don't know, simple dermatological products for psoriasis or atopic dermatitis. You don't talk about thousands of doctors, but about very few hundreds. So this is suitable for a small company that wants to retain most of the economics for itself. The price is high and the contribution is high. It means that at a reasonable number of patients we can be profitable. that is not always the case if you look at companies like Acutis they had to bleed hundreds of millions before they became cash flow positive and the other thing that has to do with this we believe that the uptake will be high because all the reasons that you heard today people are physicians, unlike in other cases are fully aware of the mechanism of actions. They know how effective hedgehog inhibitors are and they're looking for a drug that will do more or less the same job with less side effects. So all these factors favor, commercially speaking, economically speaking, an independent launch in the United States. In Europe it will be different because yours is so complex and segregated. And we are sure that with our product knowledge, our great consultants will do a great job and high motivation will do a great work in the marketplace. Thank you. One last question to Julie. Are there other areas in the body than the face that could benefit from the treatment of SGT6? I think the entire body could benefit from the use of this product, particularly the sun-exposed areas. Ideally, we want to reduce scar burden and disfigurement, so those would obviously face, neck, scalp, maybe for some hands and legs, again, those that are most visible. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks for your talks. It was really impressive. Thank you so much. First, for Dr. Billingsley, maybe can you help contextualize that 30 percent reduction that we've kind of heard across the board from patients and KOLs? How does that translate into number of surgeries, fewer surgeries that an average patient that may be on oral hedgehog inhibitors might undergo over the course of one year? So just help us understand what that 30% really means from the patient perspective. That's the first question. And then the second question is for Dr. Stern. We wanted to clarify something that you had said very quickly in your slide deck, which was oral hijack inhibitor efficacy as it relates to patch 1 positive patients versus maybe the SUFU positive patients or patch 1 negative patients. So just to help us to understand in the real world, in your clinical experience, what that It sounds like you're getting differential efficacy in those two patient populations. So as we're looking to the subgroup analysis of the phase three clinical trial design, just help us understand what you're seeing the real world and what that means. So that's the first two, and I have some questions for management as well. Okay, sure. In thinking about what does a 30% reduction mean, some of these patients will get five to ten new basal cells on their face in a year. so if just using word say 10 if they need seven surgeries instead of 10 that's seven that's three fewer visits to the doctor that's 3 3 fewer procedures or if they are even if there aren't ones on the on the shoulders it's just less time being spent in my office undergoing a procedure is that what you're saying just even going from 10 to 7 is significant it's even thinking of it is taking days off work. That's a burden as well. Each visit takes time and recovery. Great, so to your question about the genetic testing. So we do genetic testing on our patients, and about 80% or so are patched one positive. About 5% ballpark have a SUFU mutation. And then there's about 10%, 15% we don't really know. We can't find it. We can figure it out. They clearly have Gorlin syndrome. There's some case report of like a patch 2 mutation. We don't really know why. The patch 1 mutation patients are highly responsive to hedgehog inhibitors, oral hedgehog inhibitors. And actually, if you look at just sporadic basal cell cancers, 90% of sporadic basal cancer are driven by hedgehog activation through loss of patched 1. now there are other ways that a basal cell cancer can develop outside of loss of patched one and that can be through activation of smoothened now these activating mutations in smoothened are not are resistant we've shown that others have shown that are resistant to um to hedgehog inhibitors and so um and they do it through two ways one is through blocking binding of the drug their mutations that block binding of a drug and they're also do it do it though causing constitutive activation. So when the drug binds, it still doesn't block the hedgehog inhibitor. Patients with, this is a lot of genetics, but the point is that patients with SUFU mutations are more likely to develop basal cell cancers that are resistant because they don't only develop basol cell cancers through loss of patched one. They can develop baso cell cancers through other genetic mechanisms that are non-responsive to the drug. Patience with patched 1 mutations, where they've already lost one copy of patch 1, almost all of their basal cells cancers are going to develop through loss of that second copy, meaning that almost all of their basal cell cancers are driven at the patch one level, so therefore are responsive to the downstream drug. So even though it's mostly case reports that support the resistance, it's also science, just science. The science supports that the patients with C-flu mutations are more likely to be resistant than those with patch one. Okay, thank you so much. And then a question for Maury. So maybe discuss the powering of the study. what are the assumptions based on the last phase three, and then maybe the implications of the lower dropout rate. So that's the first question. And then a second, if I could venture, are you willing to disclose the baseline BCC count for these patients in the current phase three? Just given the commentary we heard today about really the high risk and high burden BCC account, why wouldn't some of these patients have a very, very high count that are currently enrolled in the study is as we're kind of thinking about what the placebo response or vehicle response could look like the second question for maury and then last we have a little a little clarification on one of the slide decks so that um first question was about the powering so the original powering the one that we submitted to the FDA, was based on the delta that was obtained in the post-hoc analysis of the phase 3, the one that I showed earlier, namely 50% or so reduction of new BCCs. In order for that, with such healthy data, we needed 58 patients, and that was for 90% powering to its statistical significance. During the study, we realized that we probably have a lower dropout, but we decided to continue with the same rate of enrollment, and we ended up with 113 patients minus the dropouts, it's 102. So this is way higher than the minimum number we needed for the 90% power. according to our statisticians that would mean that this power will suffice also for 40% delta namely 40% reduction and if the standard deviations will be lower than the one in the original study which was very high we tend to believe that it will also provide the statistical backup also for lower than 40%. And then the baseline VCC count in the current study? I was strictly forbidden by our R&D VP to talk about anything about the present study, except for what I already shared with you, number of patients, number of sites, and dropouts. So please bear with me. It was worth a try. I would very much like to share with you everything that I know. Okay. And then if we go back to some of the commentary, I think it's slide 12, it sounds like in the middle of the study, Pell Farm amended the study for the number of BCC counts. It was in the subtext. I'm not sure if this is something you can follow. No, that was, in the original study, there were three. I think that was what you were referring. The original study was three, but beforehand there were two patients that still sneaked in with two. So for the sake of good order, we mentioned it. It is meaningless. It's just, it doesn't have any real effect. but since I noted that analysts are keen on finding such small discrepancies, so for good or the sake, we already mentioned it in the small just one or two patients. Had two instead of three, didn't change anything in the big picture. Okay, wonderful. Thank you so much. Sam Slutsky, LifeSite Capital. Two for me, one for the physicians, and then one for management. I guess for the KLOs, if the Soljoe asset were to get approved, how quickly might you expect adoption as you consider the Gorland community, their connectivity, frequency of office visits, and just general awareness of treatments and development? I can go first. I think it will be adopted very quickly. I think there's two reasons. The first is that it's one of those everyone is waiting for a treatment, and so when you have a condition where there is no good treatment and everyone's waiting for one. I think it's kind of like an if you build it, they will come type of scenario where if it's available, people will come. We've seen this time and time again with dermatologic diseases, some that were considered orphan and turned out not to be orphan, completely not to being orphan once the treatment became available. The second is that there are societies like the GSA that can also help spread the word. And then the third is because, interestingly, with Gorlin syndrome, it's not like basal cell cancer, which is spread over many, many different physicians. It's rare enough that there are certain places that patients tend to seek care when they do get referred, so I think that that also helps. I have nothing to add. That's perfect. Okay. And then for management, obviously the Phase III has two relevant inclusion criteria of at least 10 facial BCCs and then a patch 1 mutation. If Phase III is positive, what's your expectations for what the label could look like regarding eligible patients for treatment? and might you expect kind of a broader use case than what the current trial allows for enrollment? Whom do you address? Do you address me? Yeah. It would be also very interesting to hear maybe the spontaneous response of doctors because they can use also their experience and common sense. But let me stop because you asked me. And it is, we are fairly confident, although we cannot be sure 100%, but we are fairly confident that based on the precedence, many companies use this type of enrichment in order to increase the likelihood that the drug that they are testing will reveal its efficacy within the framework of a study and as it was and therefore we're not doing anything that other companies even in acne if we're the most simple one we don't use patients with four lesions on the face we use 10 20 30 because when the patient has two milder disease it will either elapse by itself it may either we will not be able to show the efficacy of the drug so precedence of the FDA it was never enrichment was never translation into restriction in the resistance including the hedgehog, all hedgehog All hedgehogs were always done with restrictions from the first place, not in the second study. In the first study, usually, you know, people do not read all the small words on procedure of the clinical trial. But the Pivotal Myki had six BCC as a minimum, at least one or more surgically eligible. Another study that we located was also using three in the last three years or something like that. this is standard procedure only in our case because it was the second study it attracted more attention such a standard type of enrichment do not get such attention the second thing is that as you as my physician colleagues has emphasized, a patient at the beginning of the study has two or three, may have in one and a half years, in two years he will have many VCCs. So you cannot deprive him from therapy or wait until he will get disfigured with ten VCC and ten surgeries. It doesn't make sense. And the last thing, Every patient that ended the study with 10 was before, he wasn't born with 10 BCC. Before that he was 9, he was 8, he were 7. It doesn't make sense that you wait until he reaches a devastating state in order to try to, we understand it. I think the physician understands it, and I'm sure that the FDA understands it. All right, so we actually have time for one more, so I'll hand you the mic. Thank you. Imogen Mansfield from Cantor. I guess just to follow up on Sam's question with the physicians on the panel, so how do you think about the baseline requirement there of the minimum of 10 BCCs as if you were giving the FDA advice on labeling. So I guess just thinking about the practicalities, if a patient has had Mohs surgery and they had more than 10 in the past, and you wouldn't not do a surgery just so that they would be eligible for the drug. So how do you think about who you think would be be eligible based on the study? Ideally, I would start anybody once they have the diagnosis of Gorlin syndrome. Yeah, I think you're asking for a question of FDA labeling versus physician use, a 30% decrease. If someone gets two tumors a year or three tumors a year, and that reduces their chance by 30%, I mean, think of it as we all jumped on nicotinamide, and that was a 20% decrease, right, for this vitamin with minimal side effects. And you can imagine, and that's just for the general public, right? So you can imagine in a Gorlin syndrome patient, we were going to be 20 times as likely to jump on a medication with a 20 or 30% decrease in treatment, because we know their chronic course, we already know it. So that's what we would do what would be allowed to do based on FDA labeling is a very different or what would Be I guess on label, right? We can still use things off-label, but what would on label based off FDA marketing might be different, but If it's tolerable and it reduces something by 30% in a patient with a chronic condition that's predisposing them to develop tumors I just feel like it's a no-brainer. We would start very early So great and one more question for all of you and also for Julia, I guess as well. There's quite limited data on for across patients what the baseline number of BCCs would mean in terms of this placebo arm and if you have a higher burden does that mean that you would be developing BCC's at a higher rate I mean the evidence from the Pelopharm study goes in that direction but based on your clinical experience and Julie based on I guess your own experience and with the foundation how do you see the number of baseline BCCs trending towards a placebo response is a higher baseline going to lead to more lesions over a year. Yeah, I can take that one too. I definitely think there's going to be a correlation. Now, what that correlation is, I cannot tell you exactly, and that is just because we know that patients with higher burden of basal cell cancers, assuming they have been getting treatment, like they are not completely lost and then suddenly come in for this one trial, which is not the people who are being referred to the trial, they are developing many. That's why they have a high burden. If they were only developing one or two a year and not getting treated, they probably wouldn't even know about this trial. So this is, in particular for the trial, I think this is going to enrich for a vehicle arm that gets more tumors than the original trial. Arithmetic is not the whole thing. It's more important is the slope, the acceleration, the dynamics of it. If a young person ever has one, then another one, you don't wait, start, because you see there is some dynamic. So... Finally, it should be the decision of the doctor, and based not just on pure mathematics, but on the dynamic of the disease and the acceleration. When you see signs of something new, of acceleration, you should start immediately and not speculate about the next stages. Thank you. So that's all the time we have. Maury, I've turned it back over to you for any thank yous and final remarks. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I hope this session was informative and will be available whenever you need for additional questions until the moment that we will get the results. We are always at your service. Thank you. Thank you very much.