Mirum Pharmaceuticals Reports Third Quarter 2026 Financial Results and Provides Business Update - MIRUM PHARMACEUTICALS INC

Good afternoon, and welcome to Mirim Pharmaceuticals' third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Joel, and I will be your operator today. All lines are currently in a listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for Q&A after management's prepared remarks. I would now like to hand the conference over to Andrew McKibben, SVP of Strategic Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, Joel, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to Meram Pharmaceuticals' third quarter of 2026 conference call. I'm joined today by our Chief Executive Officer, Chris Pietz, our President and Chief Operating Officer, Peter Radovich, our Chief Medical Officer, Rob Myers, and our Chief Financial Officer, Eric Bierkhold. Earlier today, Meram issued a press release announcing the company's results for the third quarter of 2020. Copies of the press release and our SEC filings are available on the Investors section of our website. Before we start, I'd like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, we'll be making certain forward-looking statements based on management's current expectations, including statements regarding Merrim's programs and market opportunities for its approved medicines and product candidates and financial guidance. These statements represent our judgment and knowledge of events as of today and inherently involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed. We are under no duty to update these statements. Please refer to the risk factors in our latest Form 10-Q and subsequent SEC filings for more information about these risks and uncertainties. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Chris. Chris? Thanks, Andrew. Third quarter was another strong period for MIRROR, both commercially and across our clinical programs. We generated $186 million in third quarter net product sales. We are increasing our full year net product sales guidance to $715 to $ 720 million. We've also had great progress across the portfolio since our last earnings call. Positive phase three is your one data for Brilovitug, positive expand data for the Marley, the approval and launch of Etebrios, and another positive Eteebrios readout in younger patients. Our recent progress feels quite meaningful as Merrim approaches its eighth anniversary. It's remarkable to think about what this team has accomplished in eight years. We started Merrim around a simple idea that by identifying important opportunities in rare diseases and combining great medicines with relentless execution, we could have a meaningful impact for patients and build an enduring company. Eight years later, we now have four approved medicines, a commercial business approaching three-quarters of a billion dollars in annual net product sales, and a late-stage pipeline with multiple opportunities to drive our next phase of growth. Coming up, we have two more potentially registrational readouts approaching with the Gorlovotug-04 study in HDV expected this quarter and the Blitzabat Vantage study in PBC expected in the first quarter of next year. Together, these are part of five potential approvals and label expansions ahead of us as we work towards realizing the greater than $4 billion peak revenue potential of the Miriam portfolio. So, eight years in, we're entering our next phase from a position of real strength, and we're excited to touch on some highlights and updates today. with that i'll turn the call over to peter peter thanks chris the third quarter was another excellent quarter for barron's commercial business with 186 million net product sales but marley continues to be the primary growth driver the third-quarter net product sales of 133 million including 100 million in the united states our biolastic medicines also provide a steady growth generating 52 million net products sales for the court Continued growth across Liv Marley and our bile acid medicines has allowed us to increase that outlook throughout the year, and based on our performance through the first nine months, we are increasing full-year guidance today to 715 to 720 million. This is a testament to our high-impact medicines and a high-performing team dedicated to getting them to patients. For a little more color on Liv Marley, in Allergy Health Syndrome, uptake remains steady and durable, supported by new patient starts, persistence on therapy, and weight-based dose increases. PFIC continues to be an important driver, particularly among adults, where we believe there are at least 2,000 addressable patients in the United States, though the substantial majority of these patients remain undiagnosed. awareness of later-onset PPIC and increasing use of genetic testing will continue to help improve diagnosis rates. And we are expanding our commercial efforts on this front, which should lay a strong foundation for 2027. This expansion will also enable our other upcoming potential launches for Lidmarli, Polifspat, and Olimpetone. I'm also happy to say that our fourth medicine, atabrios was approved in september for adults and pediatric fop patients ages 12 and older and our u.s launch commenced in october the tebrios is a natural addition to our rare genetic disease business the fop community is uniquely engaged and the response to the approval today reinforces our belief that itabrios can address a significant unmet need for patients and families living with FOP with the convenience of oral dosing and a mechanism designed to address the underlying cause of the disease. Our near-term focus is on patient identification and access and we're encouraged by the strong early engagement of patients, caregivers, and healthcare professionals. Overall, I'm very happy with the progress we made this quarter. We are growing our existing medicines launching our fort medicine and laying a strong foundation for multiple new potential indications and launches in 2027 and beyond with that i'll turn it over to rob rob thanks peter it's been an exciting couple of months for miro significant clinical progress across rare liver and rare genetics we are now working towards five potential regulatory submissions across the portfolio. NDAs for Velixivad and PSC and PDC, a BLA for Grilobitog and Hepatitis Delta, a label expansion for Etebrios and FOP, and an SMDA for Liz Marley based on the EXPAND study. Starting with Velixovad and PFC, we continue to make progress toward our planned NDA submission in the first half of 2027. We remain confident in the strength of the NISTIS results and the potential for Velizovad to address an important unmet need for patients with PSC, and pruritus. We look forward to submitting our NDA and we'll provide an update if there's any material change in our plans or an FDA's prior feedback. We've also recently reported positive results from three important studies across the portfolio. In FOP cohort two of the pivotal progress study extended the encouraging atembriose results into children ages six to under 12. The results were consistent with cohort one with reductions in heterotopic ossification, encouraging improvements in joint mobility, and a safety profile consistent with that observed in older patients. The mobility findings are particularly encouraging in a progressive disease like FOV, where preserving function by intervening early is especially important. Our next step is a planned SMDA submission in the first half of 2027 to potentially expand endotabrios to children ages 6 to under 12. Cohort 3, evaluating zolingocertib in even younger children, continues to evolve. Now, turning to the liver portfolio, EXPAND was another positive phase 3 study for lumbar, meeting its primary endpoint and all pre-specified secondary endpoints, particularly encouraging results in biliary atresia. These findings further strengthen the body of evidence supporting IVAD inhibition for pruritus across a range of underlying cholestatic liver disease. And in hepatitis delta, the positive phase 3 ASR1 results provide important validation for berlovotum, demonstrating meaningful improvements across key measures of virologic and liver disease activity. We'll build on this momentum at AASLD later this week, where we'll present new data across our rare liver disease portfolio, including the full ASR01 results and longer-term berlovutum data, as well as additional analyses from VISTUS and LIDMARLY data in rare cholestatic liver disease. Without getting ahead of these presentations, we're particularly excited by the growing body of evidence with Herlovita showing deepening virologic suppression and continued improvements in ALT normalization and liver stiffness with longer treatment, including in patients with cirrhosis, a population with particularly urgent unmet medical needs. Looking beyond ASLD, we expect the Azure Fold readout this quarter, an important next milestone for the Brovatog program and our planned BLA submission in the first half of 2027. Overall, these recent clinical successes, together with the regulatory milestones ahead, give us strong confidence in the potential for our portfolio to deliver meaningful new treatment options for patients. With that, I'll turn it over to Eric to discuss the financial. Eric? Thanks, Rob, and good afternoon, everyone. Our third quarter financial performance reflects our ongoing operating priorities. Continued top-line growth with focused investment in bringing our late-stage programs through several potential approvals and launches. As Peter mentioned, net product sales for the third quarter were approximately $186 million, compared with $133 million in the third-quarter last year. Through the first nine months of the year, net product sales were approximately 522 million, which I'm excited to point out already equals full year 2025 revenue. In the third quarter, the cash contribution margin from our commercial business was in the high 50% of sales, and cash used in operations was approximately 4 million. Total operating expenses for the quarter were approximately $245 million, cost of sales of approximately $28 million, SG&A expense of approximately 70 million, R&D expense of approximately $94 million, all on a cash basis, in-process research and development of $13 million, and stock-based compensation depreciation and amortization expense of $40 million. Our investment in R&D reflects the breadth of activity across our expanded late-stage pipeline, as well as the planned manufacturing expenses for our HDB program. On a cash basis, R&d was approximately 50% of revenues, as expected. We expect this level of R&DPend to continue for approximately two more quarters. In total, revenues this quarter exceeded expectations while expenses are unplanned. We also took steps this quarter to improve our capital structure. In September, we repurchased $20 million in aggregate principal amount of our 2029 convertible notes for approximately $62 million in cash, thus further reducing both future dilution and ongoing interest expense. As follows, the financing we completed in the second quarter when we issued $690 million of zero-coupon convertible notes due in 2032 and settled 75% of the outstanding 2029 notes. Together, these transactions have reduced the outstanding balance of our 2029 by over 80% while preserving substantial financial flexibility. As of September, cash, cash equivalents, and investments were approximately $500 million. Our commercial business continues to scale, and our balance sheet gives us the resources to support our upcoming launches and late-stage clinical programs. With that, I'll turn the call back to Chris. Thanks, Eric. Speaking to the stock of where we are today, Miriam is at a strong inflection point. The commercial business continues to outperform, driving an increase in our four-year guidance. We've launched Atebrios as a fourth commercial medicine, and including the Atebrois supplemental NDA for younger patients, we have five upcoming approval opportunities to further accelerate the commercial business. The strong performance commercially paired with our pipeline advancements positions us to be cash flow positive next year. And as we wrap up our prepared remarks, I want to direct attention again to the upcoming Berlovatug datasets being presented at AISLD this weekend. With data maturity now out two years from the early program, we'll be able to share more of a complete picture of what Berlovitug can achieve for patients with hepatitis delta. And as we approach our eighth anniversary, I'm incredibly proud of what this team has built, but even more excited about what's ahead as we enter a unique period of commercial growth, multiple launch opportunities, and strong financial performance. And finally, as always, I want to thank the entire Miriam team for their exceptional execution, the patients, families, and physicians whose partnership keeps us focused on what matters most. We have a lot to look forward to. With that, operator, please open the call for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question is from Josh Skimmer with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Just a couple quick ones. First, are there any Takeda purchases of Liv Marley this quarter or expected in the next quarter as part of the revised guidance? And then second, for the Kinedal or the Cobham Satexleet franchise, at least combined, you're starting to get to levels that I think historically you've suggested might attract generic interest or competition, not necessarily breaking out the relative contribution of each but how how should you how should we be thinking about modeling the exclusivity of that franchise thanks for the questions first i can hit on the uh the bile acid franchise and i um you know we are really excited with how these have grown um just as a quick reminder on the backdrop on exclusivity uh you know for uh cole bomb that uh has now is beyond its orphan exclusivity time period but the tax lead does have orphan protection they're both contributors here and we're both of them we actually we've not seen an entrance that's really all we have visibility to at this point to speak to so see the trends we're seeing for the near term in any case to roll forward and I'll ask Eric to maybe speak to cicada dynamics thank Chris yes so we have very minimal revenues from Takeda this past quarter and we don't really expect any new orders in Q4. Thank you. Next question. Your next question is from Kalpit Patel with Wolf Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi there, CalPIT. Your line is now open. Please go ahead with your question. We will move on to the next question. Your next question is from Brian Scorny with Baird. Your line has now open, please go ahead. Hi, team, could you provide a little more color on your confidence in the timing of the planned PSC submission? What's the next regulatory touchstone you should be looking for here? This is Luke, by the way. Thank you. Hi, Luke. Thanks for the question. Yeah, on the PSC situation, for the time being, really nothing changed in what we can speak to and the status of the program. underway and as we spoke about previously multiple different touch points as we work towards a potential submission in the first half of next year I think we're really confident in the data sets you know Rob's called out some of the abstracts at ASLD that touched on IBD safety for example some of that work coming out of our prep for that NDA submission so just kind of come back to it feel really confident our guidance to submit an NDA in the first half of next year. Beyond that, no material updates to what we've seen or heard. Great. And then on Etebrios, I guess, has there been any difference in the early launch experience as far as compared to your expectations going into it? Yeah, it's early days. I'll hand over to Peter to get some color. Yeah, Luke, as Chris mentioned, early days just launched in October, so we're a couple weeks in, but really positive feedback from patients, caregivers, physicians. I think high receptivity to the value proposition we see with the Tervios. So we're really excited, but obviously early days to get to any more detail than that. All right. Thanks, Steve. Your next question is from Gavin Clark Gartner with Evercore ISI. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi, this is Yesha for Gavin. We were just wondering if ahead of the Q1 Vantage readout for PBC, there were any blinded baseline or trial conduct metrics you're expecting to share, in particular, maybe like baseline itch severity, background therapies, discontinuation rates, anything along that realm? Thank you. Thank you, Yesha, for the question. I think maybe Rob can speak to a little bit of the trial design, but probably not too much on the actual data to speak to at this point yeah yeah really uh not much to report at this point and we're still tracking towards uh reporting uh the data in the first quarter of uh next year premature to talk about baseline characteristics you know aspects of study coming up at this point thanks so much your next question is from Kalpit Patel with Wolff Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the questions. Two from us. For the guidance raised, is most of that related to the adult PFIC patients that are growing for Livmarly, or are there other areas that are contributing to that growth? And then for the second question, for the PSC IBD subgroup data that you'll be presenting. Can you comment if those data have been submitted previously to the FDA or are these new analysis that need to be sent? Thank you. Thanks for the question. I mean, I can just touch on the PSD one briefly and then hand the guidance question over to Peter. I mean these are new analyses, so kind of more in-detail review of data that FDA had not seen previously. Yeah, Calvin, on the guidance question, we do see strength across the portfolio, continued growth in allogeal syndrome, bile acid products doing very well. But, you know, adult PFIC is the biggest driver, and, you know, we have line of sight now after several quarters of this cadence of 10 to 15 million quarter-on-quarter step-up for that to persist through this year and through next year as well. Okay, thank you. That's the question. your next question is from ryan deschner with raymond james your line is now open please go ahead thanks for the question and congrats on the quarter um i'm curious on um sort of your expectations for the relative um launch trajectory for etebrios um and if you didn't expect at least early on any sort of uh any signs of a bowl is kind of coming in for that to sort of slow down later on in the early launch. Just curious on your thoughts there. Thanks. Ryan, thanks for the question. I'll let Peter speak to that and probably even speak to the kind of broader portfolio as we roll into next year. Yeah. You know, the Etebrios early adoption and inbound interest has been really, really strong, and we're excited about that. I think, you know, if I were to compare the ETEBRIOS launch trajectory and adoption curve to the barley, it probably will be faster. You know, I think if you take Liv Marley, we're in Allergy Hill Syndrome. It's been about five years since the original FDA approval, and about 50% of addressable patients with Allerhythial Syndrome have, you know, gone on Liv MarLEY, and we're still seeing growth quarter over quarter. And I think If you were to think about that as a comparator, we would expect Atebrios to be faster in adoption dynamics. The one thing I'd add on is, you know, as you look at Q4 and even into next year, the cadence and growth we've seen for total revenue in this kind of $10 to $15 million a quarter, we fully expect that to continue throughout next year. Thank you very much. Thanks for the question. Your next question is from James Condulous with Stiefel. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking my question and maybe just one on TSC and appreciate, you know, there's only so much you can say, but, you know, I think you've mentioned in the past that in the discussion with the FDA, there was nothing really new you felt was new that wasn't in the original VISTA study. And, you know, just curious if that's still the case, you know, from your perspective. And then just like in general, do you expect there to be a sort of formal alignment here kind of ahead of filing or is it just sort of, you know, TBD in terms of, you know how the discussion evolved? thanks a lot yeah james thanks for the the follow-up there you know overall because the situation we're seeking multiple different interaction points uh multiple meetings we're not providing kind of meeting by meeting uh updates so really what i can say is we're pointing towards that first half nda and to kind of remind on the the goal here is given that the data set is so robust and there's a lot to review the goal of the the interactions we're having is to get more familiarity with the data set before submission, not necessarily, in all cases, complete alignment. Male Speaker 1 Make sense. Thank you. Male Speaker 2 Thanks for the question. Male Speaker 3 Your next question is from Jessica Fye with J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Jessica Fy with J. P. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. taking my question. I was looking at the press release and it looks like there's a lot of regulatory submissions going in in the first half of 2027. And I was curious if you could just speak to kind of the organizational bandwidth to bring in additional assets via business development during what seems like a really busy time. Basically, should we expect a little breather on the BD side in the near term while you get all these things into the FDA? Jeff, thanks for the question. Yeah, it is a very busy first half of the year for submissions. You're absolutely spot on with that. We've done a lot. We saw this coming, so we've done a lot to organize for it. And we're in really good shape from a team standpoint on having these efforts staffed and expect that we'll be able to manage through it without issue. In terms of what it means for BD, we continue to be opportunistic. So if the right opportunity comes, we want to be able pursue it. However, you know, more of an earlier clinical stage opportunity would be a little easier to add in at this point, but that doesn't mean we're not continuing to have an opportunistic lens on all opportunities. Does that include commercial stage? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I pass over to Peter to kind of talk about our lens on, again more broadly on cd scope and targets that we like yeah i mean as chris mentioned i think our philosophy is you always have to be active uh and we'll have some full stage through commercial stage uh we think about rare disease as a as a capability in the therapeutic area in and of itself so have the know-how to be successful with rare disease medicine whether it's development regulatory patient finding patient access feel really good about the capabilities we've built there and, you know, kind of look broadly for underappreciated rare disease assets where we think we could potentially add value. Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Your next question is from Yagal Nahomovitz from Citi. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi, guys. Thank you for taking the questions, and congrats on the strong quarter. I just wanted to switch topics onto HDV and the Azure 4 readout. Obviously, that's a second phase 3 trial, which is good. But can you just speak to what additional nuances or additional learnings you might glean from Azure 4 to further drive the strength of the BLA? And then with regard to, you know, the HDV market, could you just talk to what you're watching for in terms of HDV diagnosis rates potentially expanding as you get closer to a launch? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the question, you all. I'll ask Rob to maybe recap some of Azure 4 design and rationale, and then let Peter speak to the market question. Yeah, thank you, Chris. You know, Azure 4 is an important part of the registrational package for Logitug in the U.S. And just as a reminder, it's designed very similarly to 001, with the exception of patients in the late treatment arm crossing over at 12 weeks instead of 24 weeks. And in terms of our expectations, of course, we expect to see complementarity or consistency in the virologic responses and ALT normalization, as well as safety to that which we observed in 001. Then in terms of the question on HTV diagnosis rates and kind of how we see this undeveloped market developing over time, we actually have a small team that's pretty active now doing disease state education and awareness with the providers across the country who manage hepatitis B patients and in areas where they likely have undiagnosed Delta patients as well. And, you know, I think one of the things we've learned as we've been out in the field is there's really been very little testing to date. There's papers that show single-digit percentages of low single- digit percentages of E patients have ever received a Delta test. So I think One of the big pushbacks from providers historically has been lack of therapies for this condition. And I think we're seeing that change now and look to see increased interest in testing over time and excited about the early trends we're standing. Thanks. Thanks for the question. Your next question is from Mike Oles with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on the strong quarter as well. So, maybe just to follow up on Velixibat and the upcoming Vantage data next quarter, can you just remind us what the bar is on pruritus and then what you think is sort of a meaningful benefit there? Thanks. Thanks, Mike, for the question. I can make a couple of observations and ask Rob to maybe speak to expectations. The one thing that I point towards is for this study, we have the interim readout, so know what's possible for felixibet really substantial improvements versus placebo you know over a two-point placebo-adjusted difference that is really compelling and competitive if we're anywhere in the ballpark of what we saw in the interim and anything to add on to that you know just that the interim data were quite compelling and I you know as mentioned we see over a two-point placebo-adjusted improvement in the Elixivat arms. We've done a bit of work to validate the adult itch row to show that this magnitude of reduction is actually clinically important. And so, I feel very confident going into the readout next quarter. Great. Thank you. Thanks for the question. Your next question is from Lisa Walter with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Oh, great. Thanks for taking our question, and congrats on the quarter. Maybe just given the recent challenges with the FDA and PSC, just curious if the same group of regulators will also be reviewing your filings for biliary artresia as part the EXPAND study as well as a potential filing for PBC. And if so, what gives you confidence that the FDA will understand those rare diseases a little bit better and your trial designs better versus what we have seen for PSC? Any caller here would be helpful. Thanks so much. Thanks, Lisa, for the question. Yeah, I mean, from a simple standpoint, these are all with the However, knowing who is assigned to the review, something we don't have visibility to at this point in time. What I would say is for Vantage and for EXPAND, really clear dialogue along the way on study design, all of the choices we made in those studies, and some of the quite recent interactions. So I do feel confident in our position heading into those submissions. The one thing I'd add on is what the contrast of that to PSC is that interactions with PSC were really mostly in 2019 and 2020, so a bit more distant just from a time standpoint. Your next question is from Joe Schwartz with Lear Inc. Partners. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Thanks very much. Can you talk about what we should watch for at ASLD for Brilovitug in terms of the full Azure 1 presentation, what our focus should be? And will any updates from the Phase 2 trials be presented to? And then we noticed that the Briluvitug BLA is now described as subject to supportive Azure 4 results. Is that new caution or just standard language? And can you talk about what counts as supportive? And given that Azure First Control Group waits only 12 weeks, would you file on Azure 1 plus the Phase 2b data if Azure 4 were more mixed? Thanks for the question, Joey. On that last point, there's nothing new here. So Azure 1 and 4 have always been the proposed Phase 3 package for Globotug. And the simple way to think of it is the study was designed with FDA before orphan designation was granted, so they were looking for two pivotal. Really nothing different from patient population, overall dynamics here that would suggest a big difference between the two, it's just about having two pivotal, now we do have orphan designation so, you know, hindsight, hard to say how that would have been treated, but that's the case and has always been the plan for the submission. And I'll ask Rob to maybe give the highlights and directions for ASLD. Yeah, we have some exciting data on Verlovitug at ASLD, you know, as you mentioned, we'll present the ASR1 results in full 24-week data, phase 3 data, and as well the 48-week phase 2B component of ASR. And then lastly, we have an abstract on patients with cirrhosis from the original Phase 2 study who've been treated out to two years. And really, that entire data package, it's really robust. I mean, it tells us that we do see excellent rates of virologic suppression and ALT normalization as early as week 24, but that with prolonged treatment, greater virological suppression, greater rates at ALT normalization, including in patients with advanced disease, cirrhosis, and quite significantly elevated ALT. So I think the Berlovatog package is quite strong. Looking forward to our Azure 4 data by the end of this year. Thanks for the color. Thanks for your questions. Your next question is from John Wallaban with Citizens JMP. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking the question. Was hoping to get some more color on how you guys are thinking about your peak sales guidance in HTV and then PBC, PSC. Just given the relative prevalence and moving dynamics in those markets, yeah, what's underlying that billion dollars or is that just a simple guidepost to think of as a starting point? I'm just wondering how granular you guys have gotten internally there yeah thanks for the question john the one thing i say is overall you're meant to be an approach on how we give these on giving uh kind of greater than a certain target uh important ones to put on it as you're thinking about it but peter can speak a little bit to some of the color on how he uh came to these numbers yeah yeah thanks john so So I think in Delta, the guidance of greater than a billion, there's a lot of ways to get there, quite frankly. I mean, even if you just look at the U.S. market today, about 15,000 patients diagnosed with insurance under management, you'd only really need to get a few thousand of those on therapy chronically to get towards that greater than ability guidance. Obviously, we know this is an under-diagnosed disease, and as we commented, very low rates of testing have happened historically in the U.S., and not to mention there's a substantial international opportunity for bilobotib as well. So I think, as I say, the theme there is a lot of ways to get to greater than a billion. And as you move over to VeluxVac, PSC, PBC, you know, similar addressable patient population U.S. for PSC, about 20,000 patients with PSC and pruritus. No competition there. And then PBC, a larger addressable market with about 50,000 addressable patients in the U. S., but a bit more competition. But I think you could kind of do the math a number of different ways to get to the kind of numbers you need to get through to get the greatest ability. A couple. Thanks, guys. Thanks for the question. Your next question is from Charles Wallace with H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. This is Charles. I'm for RK. So for my first question, I was wondering how should we think about the R&D spend going forward, you know fourth quarter and then also 2027 with the placebo controlled portion of you know as your one and four studies completing i'll come back with my second question some of those trends yeah so we we like to measure both national terms and also the percent of revenue and as i am doing my comments of the past couple quarters we've been around 50 percent of revenues i think that's going to continue at about that pace for two more quarters and then subsequently decrease quite rapidly. I think that's going to have a revenue and that's your future long-term flow. Great. And then for my second question, beyond the zero-four results, what additional items questions remain before you can file the BLA in that first half. Thank you. For Brilobitug. Yeah. Thanks for the question on that. For Brilobitug, it really just comes down to pulling together the submission. So all of the workstreams from both the clinical studies and the CMC submission all tracking towards being ready first half, so all that's a lot of document prep and write-up that's left to do. All right. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks for the questions. Your next question is from Joseph Tome with TD Cowan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hi there. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. Maybe another one on HDV. We may have several agents approved for HDV, I guess, currently or over the next couple years here. What do you see as sort of the main differentiating features of Brelovatug based on the data you have in hand that will drive adoption, you know, of the Lovatub over some of these others. And then second, when you think about the potential cadence of VA coming online for Liv Marley, obviously the FDA did kind of ask you to do this based on requests. Is there a pocket of patients ready to come on therapy rapidly or will it be gradual? Kind of how should we think about that launch? Thank you. Great. Thanks for the questions, Joe. I'll I'm going to make a couple of observations on HDV and let Peter add to it and speak to DA as well. The one thing I'd say is, you know, when we put together the transaction of FluJ around the lovotug, what we found really exciting about this program is that you had a fully human antibody, those single treatment that could drive continued improvement over time to some really impressive response rates, both on normalizing liver inflammation and on controlling and lowering viral levels. A lot of that data is what we're looking forward to sharing this weekend at ASLD to show updates on what that can get to at two years. That kind of gives the answer to how we think about our positioning with HTV. I'll pass over to Peter to touch up and add the VA comments. I think it's very well stated on HTV and on the VA question, these patients are at the same centers, the pediatric liver docs that prescribe Lipmarli today for pediatric BFIC and LGL patients. So the patients are there, as you noted in your question, the study was really started as a response to inbound interest from clinicians to use the product in this way. So it's a pretty captive audience who are very familiar with the product, who have these patients in their clinic and under management now. great thank you thanks for questions there are no further questions at this time i will now turn the call back to chris pete ceo for closing remarks great thanks everyone for joining today's call looking forward to a strong end of the year and a busy 2027. good afternoon everyone. This concludes today's call. Thank you so much for attending. You may now disconnect.