One Drone, Then Hundreds: My Launch-Day Talk with Mobilicom's Oren Elkayam on SwarmiX $MOB - MOBILICOM LTD

Hey everyone, Tim from AlphaWolf Capital welcoming you to a place where we try to find companies that have a positive impact on humanity, as well as potentially providing a positive effect on an investment portfolio. today we have an update from oran elkiam from mobilicom they had a very interesting news announcement this morning and as i'm sure many of you have noticed the drone space has been under pressure recently i think that's temporary in nature man as a matter of fact everything microcap is under pressure it seems like. Warren has an exciting announcement and I do believe this company has made some significant strides in becoming an American manufacturing company and has a very important role in the drone space which is cyber security and we'll get to that in just a moment. Before we begin, here is my standard disclosure. I have provided consulting services to certain companies discussed on this channel. Interviews featured on this channel are never paid for promotion. 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Before buying or selling any security, please conduct your own due diligence and consult a licensed financial advisor. hey everybody today i am sitting down with oren elkeam from founder and ceo of mobilicom the ticker symbol is it's on the nasdaq and the tickER symbol is m o b mobilicam builds secure data links ground control stations and cyber security software that keeps drones and robots connected and secure so uh there was a very interesting announcement today uh which i'm privileged to be able to cover i think i'm one of the first is uh you are the first yeah swarmix which uh kind of caught me off guard uh orin you are you're always full of surprises man i gotta tell you the uh yeah can you can you kind of um well first before we before we go into swarm mix let's let's give the the viewers who maybe aren't familiar with mobilicom uh give them your version of what mobilicam does so one thing that i would first thank you for having me and it's always a pleasure to discuss with you um what mobilicon does so we first we We don't do the drone, we don't the platforms. We are doing the essential pieces of software, cyber and hardware, which are the guts and the soul of the drones or robots. So those are the elements that allow them to operate, to communicate and to safeguard themselves against different cyber attacks. So we are the gods and brain behind the drones robotics that you see in the defense and high commercial and market. Okay. So one of your priorities is cybersecurity, right? I mean, that's like your top, one of the top priorities that you have. Yeah. Right? Yes, definitely. We believe that cybersecurity is a crucial factor from the moment that you have autonomous platform that can make decision by themselves because they have an edge AI computer. And then on the other hand, they're carrying a bomb or some explosive things and they're making decision by themself and they are connected to the external world. They are easy to crack and therefore, they'd be manipulated and that becomes the most vulnerable issue within the drone. So cyber is a topic that is not handled well enough in the industry today. And you'll be surprised that small-sized drones or robotics, what we call in the United States Group 1, Group 2 drones, which is widely distributed across every different platoons, are going to have the biggest cyber issue. There is a standard that was released that Mobilicom helped with the industry and so on. But the installation right now is zero. So non-protection on those platforms and the standards that was passed mandate to move to dynamic, active cyber protection on every platform, every autonomous platform. And we believe that from the end of 2027, according to the standard, that will become mandatory. And then the entire work that Mobilicom was advocating for, that making our life and the platform safe and secure, thanks to the such solution like Mobilicum provide on the cybersecurity, is essential for the industry and actually for the American market, making America safe from the fact that our assets will not be penetrable easily by adversaries and be used against us. so we strongly believe the cyber is critical like it was critical in other markets it will be extra critical in this market as well completely agree so i essentially what you're saying is with right now there's vulnerability to having the drones that are maybe carrying a kinetic that you know are being used and they could be hacked and sent back right to the person that deployed it right true true yeah yeah that was just a scary thought yeah true all right so help me understand swarmix what what what was it that made you decide to to build swarmix so the decision like many things that we are doing is not coming from you know ideas that we have we We are questioning our customers, the top-tier blue-chip companies that we are working with, and we met with six of them. And we are discussing with the government and trying to understand how the market will look like in three years' time. What are the challenges? What are their systems? What are they? What are some of the evolutions that we're going to see? And we're entering a new era with drones, robotics, and autonomous platforms. We're shifting from operation of one-to-one, one ISR drone that gives intelligence or reconnaissance and piloted or controlled by one pilot or large-train munition that is attacking some targets on the ground operated by one or a few of them operating multiple of one-to-one operations and so on to masses deployment. And that means that the entire systems are moving to how do we deploy large masses operating together? For example, how do you deploy how do we have man-on-man operations, ISR operations, where you have teams on the ground, on foot, soldiers, and vehicles, which are standing out. And then in front, standing in, we have robots on the grounds, like dog robots, humanoid robots, and vehicle robotics. And in the air, you have reconnaissance drones and attack drones. So you have a cluster of large magnitude of amount of users that are fusing a lot of data between them and want to spread and share that across all users. That's one operational scenario. In other markets, we see other large deployments moving for loitering munition operated from hives. Each hive can send 20, 30, 50 of those simultaneously. So you're controlling a large fleet of those assets in attacks or what we see as protection measures. Anti-UAV solutions. You see the UAVs coming in Ukraine from Russia and attacking. Every attack is by 30, 30 of those spontaneously on Kiev or other places. And then you would like to have interceptor drones taking down those UAVs. So you will have managing canisters that can shoot from the hives, 50 to 100 of those. So we see different examples of anti-UAV protection with drone interceptors or loitering munition from hives or man-on-man operation in higher scales. And you understand that we have to deploy large operational scenarios that involve many of those together. And in fact, one of the things that people told me recently is to go and witness and see The Lioness, which is a TV series running, I think, I don't remember which channel, that shows in the first two chapters the evolution of what we will see tomorrow. Obviously, it's a fiction movie, but that shows you exactly how drones will be operating in the battlefield of tomorrow. So I recommend everybody to see Lioness and explore what I'm saying as evolution. You know, in the past, we spoke about Terminator as what we are headed to. Oh, yeah. But Lioness shows you that in real terms because they are showing how it will evolve. So that's the problem. This is the new era. Masses operating together simultaneously, men and men, and large clusters operating. And that's new deployment that we'll see from a year from now. And that is the shift that we see in the industry. that's uh yeah you're i'm sure you're familiar with physical ai yes right so kind of what you were talking about there with the the different you got the drones you've got the the dogs you've got the cameras on the on the soldiers getting all of that stuff to communicate together that's that's kind of a where the physical ai thing comes in right yeah physical i refers to robotics like humanoid and others like the dogs and so on and that means that there is a lot of ai um managed or automated systems which are robotics and they call it physical air because of the robotics managed by ai which mostly they refer to uh humanoid robotics but dogs robotics or vehicular small robotics are in the same space. And that's true. Man-on-man operation will have those on the ground. And in addition, we'll have attack or surveillance drones in the sky and men operating together in vehicles or on foot together with all of those. And the Lioness movie will show you that in order to survive in this market for the future in the battlefield, the robots will be standing in front and the people will be in the back. Otherwise, they will not survive the new battlefield, the new era that we are seeing in mass deployment of those elements together. And that's why we invented the Swarmix, to understand this is where the industry is going. This is the challenges that we see from defense forces. The question is how we help to support that vision and what we are bringing to the game. And that is SwarmX that we released today. Okay, so I know that there, and I'm sure you're aware, there are other Swarm software companies or technologies out there. What makes yours differentiated from anybody else's? So we took the challenge of looking on the future and understanding the needs of the large customers and government that are deploying that. And SwarmX is unique by the fact that it's dreaming 10x on what we see today. For example, if today regular mesh networking capability that interconnects all of them is supporting 50, 80, maybe 100 megabits per second, SwarmX can support 1,000 megabit per second of data fusion from all sources and distribution across all players. If you are operating Swarms of 5, 10, 20, SwarmEx is talking about operating hundreds together. If we are seeing support in frequencies that has one band or small multibands, StormX will operate across 2 GHz to 7 GHz spectrum, give you the capability to coexist many of those operators, fleets and so on simultaneously on the same area without interfering each other, but also overcoming the biggest problem today, which is electronic warfare jamming interception. interception, because you have larger frequencies that you can jump and avoid jammers beyond the capability that most of them have today, which is somewhere around six gigahertz. So going to seven gigaerts is way above what they are doing today and give wide spectrum agility to avoid jimmers, interceptors, and so on. And on top of that, SORMX also incorporates edge computing with the SORMBX. So, it's not just a very sophisticated, high broadband, multi-mesh, large capacity and volume entity. It also enables you to run applications and cybersecurity on companion CPU, edge CPU that is embedded inside. So, replacing multiple units by one and giving all of that an incredible C-swap. So if you're looking on the SoRex solution, so the embedded solution, which is an OEM module that you can see here, it's only 70 grams that is doing these amazing 10x capabilities on communication, network, mesh, spectrum, but also companion CPU in it as edge computing. And all of that in 70-gram lightweight solution that can meet the market in small space, power, and size, but also affordable pricing for elements and platform that are one-time use, are consumable, which is where the market is going. And working with that, we have what is designed for the American soldiers, which is the element that goes on the ground stations or on the vests of the soldiers that give you the ability to master all that in a ruggedized military grid. So we have different portable or nomadic or handheld devices in their pouch operating the missions. And then we have embedded solution into robotics. And that's part of the SwarmX suite that gives you capabilities, which are 10x on everybody, everything else that exists in industry and supporting the vision of tomorrow, but make it available to date. so i just gotta you know you you amaze me or uh because it's like i wouldn't have thought we had that technology available to us today right the 10 times that that the small the uh the chip and it and it being uh affordable right i mean that that i wouldn't have thought but but you're kind of like shocking me right now right i mean one of the things that i do know talking to the other uh drone companies that technology is changing so fast in the drone space that like by the time you even have the ability to to start manufacturing it's already out of date, it seems like, right? True. And therefore, every solution has to be software upgradable so you can have different generations of software upgrade with traditional features and changes. And that's one thing. Another thing that we see as a challenge is, can you scale and produce it in masses? And can you make it in America for America? And that is one of the things that we solve in SwarmX, but also in the scalper. One of the promises that we made for our investors and the Pentagon, they gave us the challenge of producing things in addition to what we do in Israel and the Philippines, also in America. They asked us to do it in 2027, but we took a Monday to do it earlier in 2026. By end of this year, we can produce all of that in our site in Phoenix, Arizona, closer to you, obviously, to support the American, not just having an American company with American product, but also made in America and produced in America. And we are proud of that. We can enable this industry with the ecosystem of things that we first need the requirement of the current administration and the Department of War, but also being self-sufficient in the American market. So we are prouder of that." And you should be. I mean, you've come a long way since we first met, Oren, right? I mean you scared the hell out of me the first time we talked, Every time I give you a new challenge, so I urge you to see the Lioness first two chapters and understand where are Swarmics, which you've seen the TV fiction movie and series, but now you will see why Mobilicum is enabling that with real world existing products that are coming to fulfill this amazing era of revolution with drones, robotics, and AI. physical ai that you mentioned all of that together so can you give me an example what you know what give me example of one customer that maybe uh bought one thing from you and but then that led to other stuff because you now have how many tier tier ones you had you had one and then that's kind of grown right yes they have a monthly cadence of deployment into the marines We are proud in the fact that it's not just technology that is integrated and tested. On a monthly base from the beginning of this year, we have deployments at cadence into the Marines. And I think that we already deployed well over 2,000 systems, and they are used by the Marines, there is first battalions that are using those. And as you know, the Marines have about 80 battalons in total, and we want to enable that to as many as they need, obviously. Example for deployment that we have with one of the customers, which is Rafael. Those of you that are not familiar, it's one of nine tier one design means that we have. We are very proud. We promised the market that we will finish this year with eight to 10. We already have nine to date. So we are progressing ahead of our schedules. And they are using the Skyroper Micro. This is a small, tiny communication device that allows you to operate, navigate, as well as collect the feeds of video and data from loitering tube, loitered drone, coming from a tube for the soldier. And that is used by, developed by Rafael and so on. So they started with that, embedding that on the ground station and on the aerial station. But then we are landing and expanding. So they had to take the control system. So the control system is a tablet-based operation that you can see the video live feed and give directions to the data, and it's embedded with our radio behind, and that's a tactical unit that operates the mission. So we continue with that. And not just that, they are also utilizing our ICE software. The ICE stands for Immunity, Security, and Encryption, which gives you, other than the cyber and protection, ability to operate in those contested, interfered, jammed environments. So it's a license per unit. So they started with the Skyhopper micro, added the control terminal, and the software solution. and we are expanding our footprint within the customer. So land and expand is our strategy with a one-stop shop approach that Mobilicom has with multiple product to this market. So, I mean, you've got a lot, there's a lot packed into this interview. You've got to have Phoenix, Arizona, that by the end of the year, that's up and running? So by the year we will have the first batch coming from Phoenix, AZ. This is our goal and we're standing to that goal. It was intensive work to do that, and I'm glad that we've done it. We've seen the recent changes. There was the bill that was released with the FCC Trust for Drone Initiative that Mobilicom was announced as one of four companies which are critical for American drones robotics. And thanks to that, we have more time and more ability and flexibility, but we chose to be more ambitious and set the goal for this year. And I think that it was great because you've seen that in August, they raised the tariffs to 100% of drones, tariffs of everything that is coming outside of America. And that's great for companies like Mobilicom that can now produce in America and make the margin, although it's more expensive to make in America. So we are supporting what we believe is crucial for America to have ecosystems of solutions being made in America, self-sustained, without the help of any nation outside of America. And that's what we Believe that we should be done. And I think that it's important for the American markets. You know, look, it's becoming more and more important. I mean, now this is expanded into robotics. And I'm not just I'm talking like humanoid robotics. I'm Talking about vacuum cleaners, right? I mean, because, well, believe it or not, vacuums are connected to the Internet somehow and it's collecting information on people. Don't use them. Why is a vacuum connected tothe Internet? I don't understand. Right? I mean that is one thing. It's a spying device, the best spyingdevice from your home. And the second thing is all of those semi-autonomous cars that have radars, lidars, and cameras around them. And some of them are coming from Chinese manufacturers. We've seen many of them deployed and delivered to the European market. And I'm sure that it's not safe. And whenever they are driving in government locations or defense locations, they are taking videos and footage and voice and everything and sending them back to China. So, I urge you in the industry, don't use it. You are helping the enemy. So, don's use it, and if you're buying, buy American. Yeah, and you know, I got to tell you, I went and saw, well, you know who they are. I went, and saw Red Cat's facility with their autonomous boats, and I got to tell, you man, it was really quite a trip. And I saw something on the way out that I have not seen. It was a John Deere Marine motor made in the USA. And it actually gave me goosebumps because I can't remember the last time a motor was made 100% in the U.S.A., right? And I just think that is so fantastic for this country. I see things. I'm very optimistic about the future. I know you think I'm maybe too optimistic, but I see so many good things that are happening. And I guess I'm just not a doomsday guy, right? I think things are going to get better, and I think we're going to be stronger for it. I understand you we have to be fearful and manage to control things and definitely not use things that we don't know the source therefore using things that are produced and made in America by trusted parties that were validated by the government definitely for defense is something that is must do okay so I'm proud that we are making those changes in the industry and it's about time that we have a self-sustained economy with every regards to you know ai robotics autonomous platform that we are using so i'm in favor of that and i fully support that yeah if i go if i look back at history back when we did do a lot of manufacturing the one of the reasons that you wanted to buy american there was two there was one you were likely helping one of your neighbors stay employed and then number two typically it was better quality product right made in america actually meant that it was made well yeah you know you all remember the big crisis of 1929 and when europe needed the help of america to get out of the situation with the uh nazi regime america did everything that it's the powerhouse could do and produce huge amount of airplanes and ships and ammunition and so on to help europe and that american production that scaled and helped us first get out of the depression and and the uh in 1929 financial situation so thanks to us production in my skills everything to support european market and the war in europe that help us to obviously build a huge economy over here be self-sustained and as you said be proud of american great products yeah i'm using an american startup car electric car and and i'm proud of it yes it's you know it's in development there things that are coming but i love the fact that i'm using an american car which is showing bright capabilities of autonomy and so on but it's produced over here yeah and i i i think it's awesome right and then you guys are uh you guys are part of that and and you're part of it in an industry that i think is just really starting i mean it's just starting robots and and drones i mean the uses for them not not just for war, but commercially, right? I mean, there's a lot of possibilities for the things that are coming. And I think you're going to be a part of all of that, right. Yeah, I think that the needs for commercial markets is scaling to large deployments, especially after that part of 108 rule by FAA is going to Be approved and released is expansion on the commercial market, which I believe will be bigger than the defense market. and that will be another catalyst for the industry to grow and cybersecurity by Mobilicom for the autonomous platform will be essential in the commercial market even faster and better than what we see in the defense market. So yes, I truly believe that we are on a new era and things are moving very fast and we have to be agile, innovative and close the gap very fast and do it on American markets by Americans which make us first proud but second step sustained so one of the things you know program a record was a thing right but but as of late i'm i'm I think i'm understanding listening to hey Seth and some of the other things that are going on it appears to me that the program of record record the previous programs those are kind of going by the wayside would you say that that is true or not true i can say that companies and oems manufacturers that i'm speaking with are frustrated from the fact that there is great understanding of the gap and the needs and sometimes there isn't even a budget but the procurement process that we used to have in america with programs of record and other channels are taking three four five years usually more than five years, and that it doesn't help us to progress as fast as needed. We see the Ukrainians. We see how fast they are moving. They are bringing innovative ideas into the field, into the battlefield in several months. They do it in three to six months from idea to battlefield. That helps them innovate faster and scale the industry faster. We are unable to do it In America because of the long procurement process that we are used to from the past. There are initiatives how to do It faster. There is some capabilities that the government is doing and accelerating the program, so we are happy. There is frustration in the market that they are not deploying as fast as they want, but I do hope and believe that that will be solved, and we'll see higher, faster pace of deployment and generation and innovation cycling faster and faster. I mean, I see it as being a very positive thing, especially for the smaller companies, right? Because I think it gives them an opportunity to do exactly what you just said, which is be agile, adapt, and then produce and then scale, right? I mean, that's essentially what you have to do. Usually, large innovation in a short time in greenfield markets came from small companies. It's, you know, when IBM CEO said in the past that we need only five computers worldwide to run the markets. but Apple brought the home computer and sold it to the masses. So we see that it was no company back then, few people from the garage that invented that, and it's built Apple that we see today. Not because IBM and the rest were there, because they didn't believe in this innovation. So we See that happens every time again and again and again. We see that in cyber, we see the robotics, those small companies with large innovation, eager to revolutionize the industry. and, you know, have the urgency to fight the big companies that are doing it. And there is great examples from our industry as well. We see that. I think you're a perfect example of that, right? We are a perfect sample, but newcomers like Andrew and others show again that what in the past was imaginary, that could be large company winning over the large OEMs in the defense. and, you know, if I may say, kick their ass and win and bring better technology faster to the government, this is what we see. So excuse me for the language, but I think it's good for America. You know, we have to move faster. Our adversaries are not standing still. So small companies, agile companies funded by VCs and strong investors are building the future of innovation and therefore the greatness of America in this field. And we are proud to be part of that. Yeah, I like to bring up, and now that this robot or the vacuum thing has kind of come to surface, I'd like to bring up the example of Dark Wolf, right? Because I think of that every single time for security reasons. Can you just explain what Dark Wolf is real quickly and then how Mobilecom performed throughout that process? So Dark Poof used to be the only company that the Department of Innovation under the Department of War used in order to test, evaluate, and screen companies' development products to be safe from Chinese or other elements that could espionage or take information from America. And then they dismantled the product down to the PCBs and dissected them to make sure that there is no hidden elements that they've seen happening in the past. They are operating some software and cyber testing for those solutions, validating the companies, the people behind them, and so forth. And that's essential. We met our proof when the Department of Innovation chose to do the blue UAS screening for Mobilicom's products and bringing us into programs of record. They had to do some cyber testing and then evaluate our products for NDAA. NDAA and that was a very lengthy process. It took them more than six months of actual testing. We delivered units and so on. You cannot participate in the process, they do it independently. What we got eventually is a report, which in our case was amazing. It was their testing, you know, how severe are the findings and what are the critical factors they found. So there is critical medium level and low level of findings mobilicom is zero zero zero and basically they said to the uh department of war hey we don't need the next phases you better immediately sign them to the blue uas and the trusted uh drone because we have zero requirements from them so uh i think it was the first time i i was proud when the head of this division in in Darkwood came to me in one of the events took my hand and said I made some of his people frustrated because they couldn't penetrate that and this is what we are aiming to do you know is trying our best to do security and cyber and protecting the assets because eventually it will be tested in the battlefield and can use against us if our adversaries are controlling that or trying to penetrate that so it's super important to take care of the cyber and security of especially unmanned platforms autonomous platforms okay let's talk about revenue here real quick right you you need to get to cash flow break even right now do you i i know that you have a lot of stuff in the hopper and we just talked about the fact that the procurement is uh is is it's kind of up in the air right now right i mean there's there's there's some gaps that haven't gotten down to the lower level people yet and um i think they're working through that process but where where do you where do you have to be to be cash flow break even especially with with phoenix coming on now does that increase your expenses your capex and how are you how are your situation there um so just for the break-even point mobility coming out to the break very critical point we have to make revenues of about 12 million dollars a year about three million dollars per quarter which is roughly selling on a yearly base between three thousand to four thousand products general products of mobility which is not much as the industry will make one move further especially with mobility uh we can get there and the fact that we already building ahead of time the production in phoenix that will enable the department of afford to allocate more production to Mobilicom on U.S. soil for more projects, give us better opportunity to scale faster with the government here based on their requirements. So that's only helping us. And the tariffs that were made, you know, that 100% tariffs on top of everything coming outside, will make it harder for competitors and those that didn't build American solution manufactured in America. So all of that will help us accelerate faster as the government will release those new procurement processes. The Phoenix, Arizona deployments, yes, it's expensive and some investment on our hand, but it's much easier than you think, because unlike other companies that have to design a drone, that have build production site and testing site and more personnel and a lot of capital expenditure on the facility and machinery and so on, Mobilicom is not deploying its own facility. We are utilizing contract manufacturers, electronic contract manufacturers. So we are using those that have that facility and using their capability, we educate them, give them the information, give them their knowledge, the drawings, and the testing mechanism. And by that, they are producing things for us, utilizing their facility. So we've done a long process of more than 10 vendors and then shorted out to five. And then last two and eventually chosen Phoenix, Arizona as their place with the right vendor that meets the Pentagon requirements, meets the entire government regulations. And that's how we do it. So it's an investment, but not intensive. It's very small in comparison, and we can scale 10 times in the same place. And that will enable scalability and delivery of masses that is required, like the Swarmix or the Scarper family, to the hands of the OEMs that need a strong partner making everything locally to support their growth. okay uh well i'll i have a question in my head but i'm going to ask you offline no problem we'll go there uh if there's one thing go ahead we have quite an audience here so people are coming and watching you interviewing me so that's nice live in the show there you go listen David, if there's one thing that you could make stick in people's heads that are watching this, whether it's investors, whether it's potential customers, whoever it is, what would be the message that you would want them to take home with them? I think that first we have to make sure that we are protecting the assets of America and our drones or robotics and so on, like cybersecurity cyber like other markets is critical and let's make it safe earlier as possible because otherwise we are helping our enemy okay so let's making it safe it's not just because of the standard because it's the right thing to do for our safety and the safety of our children second is I think that we have to be independent let build the ecosystem here yes some see that as a hassle having local production or meeting the regulation but i see that as being proud of products producing american solutions for the american market in america and and i think that that's something that we all have to support that in our industry which is creating more jobs and self-sustaining american in this market yep and it's funny because uh i remember when you told me you were you were going to look at at bringing you know manufacturing here and uh it was uh i mean it wasn't even a really a question to you it was just like we're this is what we're gonna do right yeah yeah yeah and it's it goes back to the movie that you created for fourth of july which was american proud movie and i think that i know i remember your movie that you created and yeah we have to be proud again in the flag and and the fact that we want to create uh things in america and producing america with innovation that is coming from here so yeah it's all tied together yeah and i think to me i think it's those are all positive things right what what in order for investors now to to feel as though you are achieving your goals and on the right right path to to success what what should they be looking out for So they've seen us executing on the amount of tier ones, more designers that we are having. They see us have a cadence of delivery on a monthly base to deploy in the market. They see as innovate again and again and pushing the industry forward to enable us to take larger market share and compete for innovation and continue to surprise and bring things to be on the edge of industry is important. All of those will continue. we want to see more scalability more production more customer base and i think that with swarmix and the cyber security will be able to deliver that yeah and i agree i think it's this is an exciting story to keep an eye on and just to be fair the entire drone space has been under pressure for a little little bit now uh i don't see that as is um i don' t think that's the new trend i i think we are still in the very beginning would you agree or in that we're in the very beginning phases of this stuff it's just the beginning i mean if you don't believe me look on the lioness again or understand that we are shifting gears from one to one to many operating together and that's the entire thing is going to accelerate 10 times faster with the deployment of large masses working together so it's going to be exciting uh imaginary things will happen and will be real and i think it's fascinating fascinating story to follow as an investors i think that you have to choose few companies it's not going to disappear it's a market that you know mobilicom is on the crossroad of cyber security ai autonomy and robots and drones each one of these market is accelerating in 10 in in double digits or year over year double digit year of year so let's choose some companies and be part of that and be excited with the revolution yeah absolutely oran i appreciate i know you're busy i knowyou have a lot of a lot of meetings scheduled for the next couple of days i really appreciate you taking the time to do this thank you thank you for having me again and i hope to see you again in the future okay thanks oran hold on one second i'm going to shut this up okay To everyone watching, I want to thank you for taking your time to do that. 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