Q3 2026 Yelp Inc. Earnings Conference Call - YELP INC

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Yelp Incorporated's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. A reminder that participants are in a listen-only mode. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I will now hand the conference over to Kate Krieger, Director of Investor Relations. Kate, please go ahead. Good afternoon, and thanks for joining us on Yelp's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Yelp Chief Executive Officer Jeremy Stoppelman, Chief Financial Officer David Schwarzbach, and Chief Operating Officer Jed Nachman. We published a shareholder letter on our Investor Relations website and with the SEC and hope everyone had a chance to read it. We'll provide some brief opening comments and then turn to your questions. Now, I'll read our safe harbor statement. We'll make certain statements today that are forward-looking and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Please note that these forward-thinking statements reflect our opinions only as of the date of this call and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. In addition, we are subject to a number of risks that may significantly impact our business and financial results. Please refer to our SEC filings as well as our shareholder letter for a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results. During our call today, we may discuss adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBIDDA margin, and free cash flow, which are non-GAAP financial measures. These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. In our shareholder letter released this afternoon and our filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our investor relations website, you will find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP financial measures, as well as a historical reconciliation of GAAP net income or loss to adjusted EBITDA, a calculation of net income margin and adjusted EBITA margin, and a historical reconciliation OF GAAP cash flows from operating activities to free cash flow. And with that, I will turn the call over to Jeremy. Thanks, Kate, and welcome everyone. Yelp continued to advance its AI transformation in the third quarter. Our team made local discovery more conversational, delivered new tools to help businesses succeed, and expanded the reach of our trusted content through new partnerships. Together, these efforts resulted in the recent rollout of more than 30 new features and updates, along with substantial advances in our AI voice offerings. At the same time, consumers and local businesses continue to face a challenging economic environment, contributing to increased pressure on advertising revenue. Third quarter net revenue decreased by 1% year-over-year to $371 million, with a net income margin of 9% and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 25%. Underlying our top-line results, services ad revenue decreased by 2% year-ever-year, and RRNO ad revenue increased by 13% yearover-years. Conversely, other revenue grew 82% year over year to a record $34 million, driven by continued traction in our AI-driven revenue streams. Moving to our product initiatives, we have reconceived how consumers and businesses connect on Yelp through Yelp Assistant, a conversational experience that provides answers and enables actions. In the third quarter, we made Yelp assistant more personalized and expanded the actions consumers can take with it. Yelp assist continued to be an important driver of project submissions in the quarter, generating approximately 10% of request to quote projects and contributing to overall project growth of approximately 10% year over year. More recently, we added keep me posted reminders, integrated with OpenTable, and rolled out a check for me agent, which can check restaurant wait times for consumers. In services categories, we enhanced booking functionality by integrating the scheduling and booking tools pros already rely on. Looking ahead, Yelp Assistant will soon leverage users chat and search history to deliver more personalized answers and recommendations across categories. We are also delivering AI tools that help service pros and other local businesses grow, operate, and succeed. Yelp Host, our internally developed AI-powered call answering service for restaurants, continued to scale, reaching an annual run rate of 2.5 million calls handled in October, up 15x since October of 2025. Yulp Host was among the first voice solutions to deploy GPT Live, which supports more natural, fluid conversations. In testing with a major restaurant client, food order conversion increased by 13% since its implementation in September. We believe Yelp Host is a best-in-class product based on customer feedback, and we are expanding our go-to-market team to capture the significant opportunity ahead. We are making similar product and go-To-Market investments in Hatch. We substantially improved Hatch's voice AI and deepened the integration with Service Titan. These efforts contributed to continued business momentum. Hatch's annual run rate revenue reached approximately $37 million in the third quarter, up 55% year-over-year and 6% quarter-over quarter. Looking ahead, we are expanding the platform to serve additional services categories while enhancing our suite of products. Beyond AI tools for businesses, Yelp's trusted content is increasingly powering local discovery across the broader AI ecosystem. In the third corridor, we saw robust demand for our data licensing products, including from our partnerships with OpenAI and Meta. More broadly, personal AI agents have gained considerable momentum in recent months. As these agents increasingly act on consumers' behalf, we believe Yelp's trusted local content makes us an essential partner for connecting consumers with local businesses. In summary, we made significant progress in transforming Yelp with AI in the third quarter. While the macro environment remains challenging, we're confident in our plans and believe that our initiatives will position us to drive shareholder value over the long term. With that, I'll turn it over to David. Thanks, Jeremy. Turning to our third quarter results, net revenue decreased by 1% year over year to $371 million, $1 million above the high end of our outlook range. Net income decreased by 12% year-over-year to $35 million, or 63 cents per share on a diluted basis, representing a 9% margin. Adjusted EBITDA decreased by 6% year-over-year to $92 million, $17 million above the high end of our outlook range, representing the 25% margin. As Jeremy mentioned, consumers and local businesses continue to face a challenging operating environment. Services ad revenue decreased by 2% year over year to $238 million, while our R&O ad revenue decreased by 13% year over year to $99 million. A decrease in services locations was partially offset by a 3% increase in RR&O locations, largely driven by multi-location advertisers. This resulted in an overall decline of 1% year over year in paying advertising locations to 509,000. Ad clicks declined by 8%, and average CPC increased by 2% year-over-year in the quarter, in each case primarily due to softer consumer demand. Moving to other revenue, other revenue increased by 82% year-over-year to a record $34 million. This strong growth was driven by the inclusion of revenue generated by Hatch, as well as significant growth in revenue from data licensing and food ordering. Turning to expenses, in 2026, we are maintaining a disciplined approach and shifting resources toward high return areas that we believe will transform Yelp. In particular, we see a large opportunity in other revenue through AI-driven offerings such as Yelp Host, Hatch, and data licensing. As these revenue streams continue to gain traction, we are targeting an annual run rate of $250 million of other revenue by the end of 2028. At the same time, we sees substantial opportunities to unlock operational efficiencies and increase employee productivity with AI. We've already seen AI tools drive meaningful improvements in product and engineering velocity, and we are bringing new products like Yelp Host to market faster than ever before. We reduced stock-based compensation expense as a percentage of revenue by 3 percentage points year-over-year to 6% in the third quarter. We anticipate SBC will be below 6% of revenue in the fourth quarter, one year ahead of our end-of-2027 target. To create long-term shareholder value, we have evolved our approach to capital allocation. We plan to invest in future growth, pursue strategic acquisitions through a combination of cash and financing, and return more than 50% of free cash flow to shareholders each year through share repurchases. As previously disclosed, in the third quarter, we repurchased $25 million worth of shares and an average price of $26.14 per share, bringing our total repurchases for the year to $200 million and contributing to a 15% year-over-year reduction in diluted shares outstanding. We subsequently paused our program to pay down our revolving credit facility. With $339 million remaining under our authorization as of September 30th, we expect to resume repurchaces in 2027 subject to market and economic conditions as well as business requirements. Turning to our outlook, we anticipate that the challenging economic environment for consumers and local businesses will persist in the fourth quarter with increased pressure on advertising revenue across categories. At the same time, we expect our investments in our strategic initiatives will continue to drive strong growth and other revenue. As a result, we expect fourth quarter net revenue will be in the range of $347 million to $352 million. For the full year, we are updating our range and now expect net revenue to be between $1.455 billion and $1,46 billion. Turning to margin, following strong expense favorability in the third quarter, we expect expenses will be modestly higher in the fourth quarter as we focus our investments in key areas including Hatch and Yale Post. As a result, we suspect fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA will be in the range of $57 million to $62 million. For the full year, we are narrowing our range to the high end and now expect adjusted EBITDA will be between $320 million and $325 million. In addition, we expect to recognize the tax benefit of approximately $30 million in the fourth quarter related to previously unrecognized tax benefits, including related interest, which will benefit net income but will not impact adjusted EBIDDA. In closing, Yelp's third quarter results reflect growing traction across our AI-driven offerings. We continue to believe in the opportunities ahead and our ability to deliver long-term shareholder value. With that, operator, please open up the line for questions. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Alex Veliante with Goldman Sachs. Alex, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to dig into the other revenue opportunity a little bit more, and specifically in the context of some of the consumer AI agents that have launched recently, such as Muse and things like that. How might you see Yelp playing a role in that landscape if we see consumer adoption of some of these tools increase? And given your existing data licensing partnerships with both OpenAI and Meta, how might the monetization structure look like in that world going forward? Thanks. Hey, Alex. This is Jeremy. Thanks for the question there. Yeah, we're really happy with other revenue growing 82% year over year. You know, we've had a lot of success now for about a year with various LLM search players. That whole space, the quality of conversations continues to be strong. The quality of deals that we've done has been strong. And I think that carries forward into the personal assistant realm. Yeah, there's obviously Meta, and we have talked historically about, I think it was last quarter, our deal with Meta AI. And so that really gives access to Meta all of our data across all of their properties, including Muse. And from their engagement and what we're seeing, they're really leaning into it. And I think if you step back and look at the personal agent space, you really need high quality local information. You need to know the reputation, all the subjective information that we have in terms of reviews. You obviously want photos to be able to showcase to users, and you really accurate listing information where the business is in fact still in business as well as the hours is absolutely critical. You can imagine if somebody is coming up with an anniversary idea and gets sent to a restaurant that's no longer in business or you're outside the hours that it's open, that's going to be a real deal breaker for that user. It can result in, obviously, bad feelings and potentially bad press and all that. So I think for anyone building in a personal agent space, they're going to want to look at Yelp unless their name is Google. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Robert Coolbreath with Evercore ISI. Robert, your line is open. Please go ahead. Robert Coolbreth, Evercore, ISI, Great. Thank you very much. I wanted to ask about expense favorability that you've experienced, not just in Q3, maybe pronounced in Q2, but maybe over the past few quarters. Just the impact on the key drivers there. And then when you look forward to Q4, just here, the level of certainty that you have in terms of, you know, increasing investment levels sequentially. And then I also wanted to ask a little bit about organic search trends and any changes there as well as paid project – paid search project acquisition. Thank you. David Plylar, CFO Alphabet and Google Thanks, Robert. This is David. I will cover your questions. So in terms of expenses, we saw favorability in the third quarter and we did see favorability in the first half of the year as well. And just to step back for one second, very much 2026 for us has been an investment year. And we made the acquisition of Hatch in February, and we mentioned that we were significantly increasing resources there, both on the product and engineering side, as well as sales and marketing. And then we've seen real traction on the Yelp host side, and we're leaning in there as well. And we're continuing to invest in Yelp Assistant to make that a great conversational experience. And as you saw from our recent product release, we're adding features quite rapidly that increase the capabilities of that system. So, as we go through the year, we're always evaluating how to deploy our capital, and we also remain very ROI disciplined. So the expense favorability comes out of, in particular, some optimizations that we've made around marketing spend. We also, because we're leaning into more innovation, we've seen more cap dev or capitalized software development as an element. And then there's always just a variability of a variety of expenses that are harder to forecast, like healthcare expense. So that's a combination of things. In terms of the fourth quarter, we do anticipate that expenses will be a touch higher than they were in the third quarter. And obviously, we look to execute against the plan that we have and the guidance that we've given for the fourth quarter? Yeah, I can handle this as Jed. I can handle the paid projects. I believe that was the question. We have spent over the first three quarters of the year on paid project acquisition, particularly for our multi-location services segment. I think the name of the game here is making sure that we're very disciplined in terms of how we're buying those projects. Where we see green shoots, we're going to lean into it, and where we're not seeing, you know, the return, we're not going to spend as much. So, you know, we will look for pockets of opportunity where that makes sense, and make sure we're very disciplined in doing so. Got it. And anything on organic, either, excuse me, AIO or AIM, penetration of relevant queries. Thank you. I guess I'm not totally, this is Jeremy, not totally clear what you mean on... Oh, just from Google, the relevant local search queries that would drive some level of traffic, obviously, to Yelp. Have you seen any increase in penetration of AI or AI mode? Anything notable there? Thank you. That's it. I see outside historically, you know, that's obviously been a great source of traffic for us. We continue to get quite a bit. That said, you know we're diversified across multiple channels. We have some great partnerships like with Apple that drives considerable traffic as well as our own direct traffic. We had very successful popular app that drives a lot of direct traffic as Well. So in the quarter, you know, I know there was a lot discussion around Google dialing up AI overviews without having impact. We saw some impact, but stepping back and looking at overall results, somewhat muted in the big picture. And I think part of that stems from the queries that we typically get a lot of our most valuable traffic from are highly monetizable. And as a result, Google seems to be a bit more cautious with those queries. And so it's a bit mehr muted in dialing up or cautious about dialing up its AI overviews. And so we did see some impact there, but again, not as dramatic as reported elsewhere. Got it. Thank you very much. Your next question comes from the line of Jason Krayer with Craig Hallam. Jason, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. This is Thomas on for Jason. When you look at AI-enabled tools that you've rolled out, I know you talked about 30 updates and features as of late, but as particular in the services segment, which solutions are helping drive most durable engagements with consumers and customers, and can you elaborate on any notable dynamics you're seeing between those? Sure. This is Jeremy. So, you know, within services, one of our big investment areas has been, for a while, Yelp Assistant, and we continue to build that out. Originally, it was designed specifically for services, but it's become cross-category. We continue to add agentic features like Check For Me, which can actually do an outbound call to a restaurant to find out how long the wait might be. Within Yelp assistant this quarter, we added a Keep Me Posted feature. So if you're interested in particular types of businesses opening up in your neighborhood, Obviously, that's great re-engagement when we can, you know, let you know that, hey, we found a new restaurant that met your criteria. So that's been great. Also, on the services side, this is more on the business owner side. We have been working on smart lead reply. And so, you knows, speed to lead is of critical importance to both sides of the transaction. Like, consumers want to hear from businesses. And so getting a faster response with AI is really critical. And so we're going to be offering that. We also, you know, see great request-to-quote volume coming from Yelp Assistant, and so that's been another benefit there. Request-toquote was up 10% year-over-year, so great to see there. Oh, and I guess, sorry, one more to throw in there. You know, in our partnership with OpenAI, you can obviously see just great content now within ChatGPT, and that's all attributed. But from a service perspective, even more interesting is our request-to-quote feature is now fully baked into ChatGPT. So you'll see request-To-Quote buttons when those listings come up, and you can dive right into our flow. That's also partially contributed to our request to quote growth of 10% earlier. That's helpful. Maybe double-clicking on Yelp Assistant. How are you thinking about turning a one-time project into more like a recurring relationship with the customer? Are you noticing any behaviors between, you know, how those products change, driving, you know, repeat usage rather than simply improving conversion on, like, one existing visit? Yeah, absolutely. Our goal is to be as sticky as possible and as engaging as possible, and, you know, that is, you know, part of what we try to solve by being broader than just a services, you know, Yelp Assistant originally was services-focused, but by bringing in higher frequency categories things like restaurant food nightlife even spa salon type uh you know conversations that can drive up the frequency but so can some of these more agentic features which is where we're turning a lot of our attention and i think with the rise of personal assistance it's really raising the bar on the expectation of what something like yelp assistant should be for people and ii think it's a great way for you know normal people out there that maybe aren't going to be early adopters of some of these personal agents to get agentic features right away. They already have Yelp. They've had it for years. It's familiar. If we can bring them into an experience that anticipates their needs, that serves up things right in the moment, or it goes out and actually solves a problem, books that appointment where it makes something that was friction-full, frictionless, I think we have a real opportunity to engage that user and keep them locked in until they have a service request as well. Great. I appreciate the perspective, guys. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sergio Segura from KeyBank Capital Markets. Sergio, your line is open. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe I wanted to start on just the advertising business, You know, advertising revenue decelerated again sequentially, and I think the outlook, you know, implies further pressure in the fourth quarter. So hopefully you could just unpack the trends that you're seeing within that business, you Know, in terms of just traffic, SMB budgets, multi-location, advertisers, anything you're saying there. And then any comments you could provide on October specifically, if you saw trends worsening in October. Thank you. yeah this is Jed I can take uh take the advertising question you know it continues to be a challenging operating environment um you know for a lot of these local businesses you know where there's obviously a lot pressure on the consumer between inflationary effects you know obviously consumer confidence is not where we need it to be um and then borrowing costs you know which particularly hits on the services side as well we're seeing a lot behavior and services specifically around, you know, repair versus replace, and some of those bigger projects are not getting done. And then on the business owner side, you Know, the input costs continue to be very high, both on the labor side and things like diesel gas, as an example. And so those are certainly impacting the local advertising market. You know, we are, you Now, as a result, leaning into a lot of our other products, you Know, I think when you think about R&O, our Yale Post product continues to gain traction out in the marketplace. We've done a ton of investment on the product side there, as well as Hatch. And so, you know, we don't expect the local advertising market to turn anytime soon, but, you Know, we continue to invest on the consumer experience as well, like we talked about to get the system side. And, you Now, we'll continue to, you know, We still believe our audience is very valuable. And you Know we're also going to be making sure that our data shows up on all the places where consumers are, would you know, meet the consumer where they are, whether that's other platforms like OpenAI or Meta, as well as continue to invest in our, in our online. Got it. Thanks, Jed. And then maybe following up on Hatch, I think the ARR growth there moderated slightly versus last quarter. You know, what are you just seeing there in that business in terms of bookings, you know, customer additions, sales productivity? And I know know, you guys made some significant investments in Hatch. So just what's your level of confidence that you can accelerate growth within that business again? Thank you. Yeah, thanks. You know, we're really pleased with the Hatch business right now. You know, it's an annual run rate revenue of $37 million, about 55% year over year, which is in line with last quarter. You know, and we still believe there's a really large opportunity in the lead management space for these home services pros, both on the speed to lead side, which you can think about digital leads, as well as our voice AI solution. You know, since completing the acquisition in February of last year, or this year, I'm sorry, we've been investing in business both onthe go-to-market side as well as on the product side, you know, really in order to prepare for scale going forward. You know our product investments include huge improvements to our voice product, you with the implementation of GPT-Live and the continued fine-tuning of the models to handle even really the most complicated home services use cases. Our customer feedback has been very strong and we believe ultimately the voice product has really leapfrogged in the marketplace, in part due to some of that expertise that we brought over from the Yelp side and were able to deploy on the Hatch business. We've also deepened our service time integration, which which now supports real-time booking with things like adaptive capacity, which is really important to a lot of these pros. And it's worth noting that as more of this consumer communication becomes really AI-driven, including some of the personal agents that Jeremy mentioned previously, Hatch is really well-positioned to help those services businesses handle those leaks. And it has more and more people use these agents. It's going to be important that the pros can kind of handle all of those communication methods. On the go-to-market side, we have added capacity on both the enterprise side as well as the commercial teams. And, you know, we are expanding into additional service categories as well, you know, most recently into kind of moving pest control and lawn care. Those are still very early stage, but we believe over the long term can drive a lot of growth in that business. So, you know, our overall posture is we're going to continue to invest in that business and feel like it's a really large opportunity and that we have the ability to take share as that market develops. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Jed. Your next question comes from the line of Kishan Patel with Raymond James. Kishon, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, this is Kishen on for Josh back. Thanks for taking the question. Given the macro trends affecting services advertisers, how are you thinking about balancing customer acquisition marketing spend going forward? Yeah, I mean, you know, we touched on it before around kind of our paid project acquisition. You know, we're just going to be really ROI focused and disciplined in our approach in terms of, you know, acquisition costs. We obviously are going to continue to invest in the customer experience as well, whether that's on the account management, customer success side, we want to make sure the folks are trained properly in order to use the system, that they're converting on leads. I mean, one of the things that Hatch has taught us is when we step back, you know, getting the lead is obviously a very important part for the service businesses, but you've got to be able to convert on those leads as well. And, you know, that is a big component on whether these folks are going to see ROI. So you look at things like Smart Lead Reply that we're investing in to kind of make those leads more effective than the ones that come in. So, you know, we're going to continue to invest there. And, you Know, from a paid perspective and a marketing perspective, we're gonna be really disciplined in how we're buying in and buying this. Thanks. And then how are you thinking about scaling Yelp's host go-to-market? And what have you learned about which restaurant segments adopt the fastest? yeah on the go-to markets i was first of all we're really happy with the progress you know this is a homegrown product uh that really launched about a year ago um and uh we're really happy the the reception in the marketplace you know we've handled i think in october we're on a run rate for about 2.5 million annual calls um and you know really on the voice solution side And we believe we have leapfrogged the market in terms of voice quality. You know, we've been testing with some bigger clients. And, you know, in one example, we had our food order conversion increasing by 13% after deploying our new voice solution. So, you Know, that was a nice proof point. You know. This is a big step for a lot of these customers to turn over their voice to, you Now, an AI voice agent. And so, it's oftentimes a land and expand. We've got to prove ROI, but we're really happy with the way that's going so far. You know, our food ordering, which is relatively new over the last two or three months, actually started that in June. And it's very nuanced. You can imagine all the different versions of ordering food. Am I gluten free? What do you have on the kids menu? Is it good for kids? How's the noise? It's got to be able to kind of handle all of that at once. And food ordering specifically grew 6x from June to October. so we're pleased and we believe we have a good head start in terms of the quality of our voice product and now we're just going to concentrate and make sure that message gets out there and that's going to be done through our go-to-market team as well as you know marketing efforts behind that you know I believe we haven't moment in time to go showcase what we have on the El Paso side and we're going to pursue that aggressively. Thanks very much. your next question comes from the line of colin sebastian with baird colin your line is open please go ahead hey this is zach i'm for colin i guess i'm just most curious as you scale more the products requiring ai inference are there any efficiencies you're finding or leveraging within your cost to serve across pricing product design or infrastructure efficiency yeah you know i i'll take this one as it relates to kind of internally at yelp you know over the last couple years and you know I would say particularly over the last 12 months we've been really leaning into ai uh in order to drive both efficiency and production quite frankly you know it's one thing to say but you know we want to get more production out of folks uh you know the most obvious returns as you can imagine have come from our product and engineering teams, you know, where the velocity is really accelerated as evidenced by the latest product release. You know, I think we had over 30 products and new features in the last quarter. And, you know, you look at something like Yelp Post, which was a, you know, kind of built from scratch product. And we were able to make it a headway due to some of the advantages we've seen with kind of the AI engineering tools. You know, but we've also been aggressive throughout the rest of the company in deploying AI and solutions. We're very measured. We want to make sure that they're measurable and have impact, you know, and you're not kind of spraying the AI hype around the company. But, you know we do see a lot of pockets where this is making a big impact. You know, some of those examples include, you're like pipeline management for the sales team, all homegrown, real-time coaching, AI tooling, and that's in, you cross marketing, cross sales, user ops, etc. So we're to continue to lean into this AI transformation. I think you see it externally with our products on both the business and consumer side, and we believe there's a real opportunity internally as well to make sure we're driving efficiency and more importantly, kind of more production out of the resources that we do have. Your next question comes from the line of Nitin Bansal with Bank of America. Nitin, your line is open. Please go ahead. Thank you. So as you expand more into AI products, how is your go-to-market strategy evolving? Can you talk about what are the key initiatives and pipeline that could accelerate the growth in the other segment? And on the advertising side, can you talk about some of the puts and takes and key initiatives in pipeline that would drive stabilization in the pipeline growth over the next few quarters? Thank you yeah i can kind of take the go-to-market side on on our uh our new initiatives you know i would say that uh you know our aggressive is our posture is is aggressive in terms of making sure we have the right heads in place to capture the opportunity and the right resourcing to capture the opportunity i think when you look at hatch um you know um as well as host these these are new markets folks are making decisions out in the marketplace and it's really important that we have the coverage across the enterprise segments, across the commercial segments to really take advantage of that. And so we have a ton of in-house sales expertise that we're deploying out to those other initiatives, specifically Host and Hatch, because we believe there's a large opportunity for both of them to have a bright future and we want to take advantage of your next question comes from the line of brian smiley with jp morgan brian your line is open please go ahead hey guys this is vignesh on for brian i appreciate you taking the question i guess it seemed like the rrno ad revenue declined w um even as like the paying ad locations were up slightly. Could you maybe talk a little more on the divergence between this and kind of what needs to happen to maybe stabilize? And I appreciate the cadence on kind of expenses for next quarter, but anything maybe into kind of next year and how we should think about expenses on that front? Thanks. Yeah, I can take the question on PALS and R&O revenue. You know, R&R revenue is down 13%, um and you know our pals were actually up three percent rno this was largely due to uh you know some uh some multi-location customers um that you know uh increased locations but uh didn't necessarily uh increase increase average revenue per location i think stepping back you know rno continues to be pressured uh for a lot of the reasons we've mentioned before you know consumers pressured obviously uh due to inflation and you Know compounding inflation over the last few years And, you know, on the business side, you know, they continue to really face high input costs, you know, and so, you know, we don't expect that to turn anytime soon. It was a nice bump to see those paying advertising locations, but I wouldn't read it in anything in terms of, you know, kind of, you know really sunny days ahead. A reminder, if you have any further questions, please press star 1 to raise your hand. Your next question comes from the line of Shweta Kajuria with Wolf Research. Shweda, your line is open. Please go ahead. I just got on for Shwetha. Thank you for taking my question. How should we think about EBITDA margins as auto revenue scales to $250 million in annual revenue? And for my follow-up, as we think of auto revenue, how is it trending compared to your projections of auto revenues scaling to the $250-million mark by 2028? Thanks for the question. So in terms of the margin profile of adjusted EBITDOG, and it has three components to it, There is the transaction side, which is going to have higher margins because it's really vGen for a restaurant order or order on DoorDash. We have the licensing product, which also is going have higher margin. And then we have the subscription piece, which we expect over the long term would normalize to what you typically see for a SaaS or software or enterprise software product. But in the near term, we're certainly investing against growth opportunities. So that mix has a contribution profile, but importantly, and just to emphasize, as Jed really covered, we see this very large market opportunity for both Hatch and Host. And so we are definitely going to continue to invest in that. And then in terms of the progress towards the $250 million run rate target by the end of 2028, we hit a run rate number in the third quarter of 136 million. So obviously a bit more than halfway there, growing at 82%. So we look forward to continuing to execute against that opportunity. Thank you. We have reached the end of our Q&A session. This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.