Seagate Technology Fiscal First Quarter 2027 Conference Call - SEAGATE TECHNOLOGY HOLDINGS PLC

Welcome to the Seagate Technology Fiscal First Quarter 2027 Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Shani Hudson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to today's call. Joining me are Dave Mosley, Seagate's Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Gianluca Romano, our Chief Financial Officer. We've posted our earnings press release and detailed supplemental information for our September quarter results on the Investors section of our website. During today's call, we'll refer to GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Non-GAap figures are reconciled to GAap figures in the earnings press relief posted on our website and included on our Form 8K. We've not reconciled certain non-GAAP outlook measures because material items that may impact these measures are out of our control and or cannot be reasonably predicted. Therefore, a reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP measures is not available without unreasonable effort. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that today's call contains forward-looking statements that reflect management's current views and assumptions based on information available to us as of today and should not be relied upon as of any subsequent date. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements as they're subject to risks and uncertainties associated with our business. To learn more about the risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may affect future business results, please refer to the press release issued today and our SEC filings, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on form 10-Q, as well as the supplemental information, all of which may be found on the investor's section of our website. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call up for questions. To provide as many analysts as possible the opportunity to participate, please limit yourself to one main question and a brief follow-up. With that, I'll hand the call over to you, Dave. you, Shanie, and hello, everyone. Fiscal 27 is off to an outstanding start. September quarter revenue grew by more than 60% year over year, and non-GAAP EPS expanded by nearly three times to a record $7.68. We also achieved record gross and operating margins, demonstrating the earnings power of our business and ongoing demand strength for data storage. Both the data center and edge IoT markets delivered double-digit sequential revenue growth, up 18% and 13% respectively, reflecting ongoing demand and pricing strength. These trends support our expectation to deliver strong sequential revenue, growth, and gross margin expansion throughout fiscal 2027. Our confidence is supported by an extremely strong demand environment with visibility extending beyond 2030, and an aerial density-driven technology roadmap poised to capture this growth. In the September quarter, we shipped a record 198 exabytes of near-line capacity into data center customers, and we expect a meaningful step-up in the December quarter, supported by the continued ramp of Mosaic 4. As we stage new generations of Mosaic products and ship to a broader customer base, quarterly exabyte growth may vary. At the same time, we expect our technology roadmap to support near-line exabyte supply growth in the mid-20% range on a compound basis. Overall, we delivered another very strong quarter, including record free cash flow generation of nearly $1.5 billion, driven by durable demand, our continued technology innovation, and disciplined operational execution. Additionally, we significantly strengthened the balance sheet, achieved our primary debt reduction objectives, and regained investment-grade status. With those goals largely achieved, we are shifting our focus towards capital returns, with share repurchases serving as our primary vehicle, complemented by dividends. This month, our Board approved an increase in the quarterly dividend to $0.76 per share. Importantly, this capital allocation strategy reflects our confidence in the cash flow potential of the business, as well as the multi-year demand visibility afforded by our customer agreements. Demand strength continues to be driven by data center customers, which accounted for 90% of our shipped capacity. Within Data Center, cloud near-line products achieved a 12th consecutive quarter of revenue growth, while enterprise OEM revenue reached its second highest quarterly level in over a decade. Data growth is profound across a wide variety of applications. Behind these trends is a growing recognition that the value of data extends well beyond its original use. In a recent discussion with Seagate, a leading hyperscale customer observed that their customers are increasingly discovering new ways to extract value from data long after it's initially stored, strengthening the incentive to retain it. And AI innovations are amplifying this dynamic. As AI adoption expands beyond model training and toward inference and agentic applications, persistent data becomes increasingly important. These systems rely on vast amounts of historical data to make informed decisions and take effective actions, while constantly generating new output that must be governed, retained, and reused. Estimates suggest that billions of AI agents will be deployed worldwide over the next decade, executing hundreds of billions of actions daily. At that scale, agents will continuously consume, generate and reuse data we believe future storage demand will increasingly be tied to this new data life cycle and compound again as physical ai applications proliferate as the volume of persistent data grows storage demand can extend well beyond the initial infrastructure build out these positive demand dynamics play directly into the strength of hard drives which deliver the scalable reliable and cost efficient foundation for data retention Hyperscale customers have long recognized these benefits and continue to pursue higher capacity storage architectures. Our engineering teams work closely with leading cloud providers to align our product roadmap with future data storage requirements and simplify the adoption of higher capacity drives. A recent example is Microsoft's qualification of a joint Seagate and Broadcom solution that combines our hammer-based Mosaic drives configured with SMR technology and Broadcom's connectivity infrastructure. Microsoft already deploys Hammer drives, and this recent qualification validates the SMR-enabled solution at hyperscale. Customers can benefit from additional capacity gains that SMR provides, however, broad adoption at higher drive capacities have been limited, given the meaningful architectural and software changes required. This joint solution provides a blueprint for implementing SMR storage to unlock additional capacity games on top of our hammer-based Mosaic platform. Beyond hyperscalers and CSPs, demand is expanding among a broader set of enterprise OEM customers that are managing increasingly large data sets. We are engaging more directly with many of these customers and developing reference architectures that pair proven compute and storage hardware with flexible customer-selected software. These solutions offer a path to scale persistent data capacity improve storage economics, and drive platform efficiencies. The strengthening demand environment is extending our customers' planning horizons, which is reflected in the supply agreements we now have in place. The vast majority of our near-line exabyte supply is now allocated under long-term supply agreements through calendar 2028, with some cloud customer agreements extending through calendar 2030. Our strategic planning discussions extend even further. We are working closely with customers to address their growing storage needs across this time horizon by executing our Mosaic product roadmap. As we transition to Hammer-based Mosaic products, we are investing in additional tools and technology necessary to offset longer manufacturing cycle times and maintain stable unit production. For Seagate, increasing capacity per disk is driving Exabyte growth. Our bill-to-order contracts establish specific configuration and pricing terms for near-line shipments through calendar 2027. As we move through the next few quarters, we expect to begin finalizing configuration and pricing term with customers for the Exabyte supply that we've allocated to them for calendar 2028. Pricing continues to improve, reflecting both the execution of our value-based pricing framework and higher external component costs. We expect a stronger demand environment, evident in customers' multi-year commitments, to continue to support these healthy pricing dynamics. Taken together, these agreements provide customers with greater supply assurance while increasing visibility for both parties. They also reflect customer confidence in long-term demand growth and the increasingly strategic role that hard drive storage plays in the modern data ecosystem. Supporting this demand growth requires storage solutions to deliver scale, efficiency, and economics. These very attributes serve as the foundation for our technology strategy. Increasing storage density within the same data center footprint is the most cost-efficient way to maximize bytes per square foot, as one large hyperscale customer put it, and our HAMR-enabled roadmap is designed to deliver on that objective. Advancing aerial density is our north star. We are scaling drive capacity through aerial density rather than relying on higher drive unit production. We believe that this is the most efficient way to help customers manage their extreme data growth and retention needs. The same approach supports profitable exabyte growth for Seagate. We are executing well on the product roadmap milestones that we've outlined. We continue to expect HAMR to represent roughly 50% of our nearline exabyte shipment run rate exiting calendar 2026, with Mosaic 4 representing roughly half of those hammer shipments. Mosaic 5, which offers up to 44 terabytes of capacity, is continuing to ramp with two leading CSPs. We are on track for additional qualifications to complete over the next couple of months across multiple global CSPs and OEM enterprise customers. Product development for our third generation Mosaic 3 product remains on track. These drives can deliver upwards of 50 terabytes of capacity and leverage our highly efficient 10-disc platform. We continue to expect customer qualification shipments to begin towards the end of calendar 2027. Reflecting on our ongoing advancements in photonics, we recently demonstrated 8 terabytes per disc in the lab, providing further evidence that HAMR and the MOSAIC platform can deliver on customers' growing capacity needs and reinforces our conviction that increasing exabyte supply through aerial density growth is the right long-term strategy for both our customers and for Seagate. Wrapping up, our results demonstrate both the durability of demand and the effectiveness of our strategy. Data creation, retention, and reuse are compounding demand for mass capacity storage. And based on the long- term visibility we have with customers, we believe we're still in the early days of a multi-year growth phase. Our technology roadmap combined with disciplined supply management and a value-based pricing strategy and the operational leverage in the business gives us confidence in our ability to deliver strong profitability, cash generation, and shareholder returns. I'd like to recognize our global team for their execution in delivering a record quarter and a strong start to fiscal 27. I would also like to thank our customers, suppliers, and shareholders for their continued trust and support. Now I'll turn the call over to Gianluca. Thank you, Dave. Seagate posted very strong results for the September quarter, exceeding the high end of our guidance range for both revenue and earning per share, while continuing to establish new profitability records that translated into our highest ever free cash flow generation. September quarter revenue was $4.2 billion, dollars up 17 percent sequentially and up 61 percent year over year non-gap gross margin came in at 57.8 percent up 510 basis points sequentially non-ga operating margin increased 610 basis point sequentially to 50.7 percent and non-gov ups was 7.68 cents up 35% quarter-over-quarter and 194% year-over year. Sustained data center demand continues to drive strong company performance. In the September quarter, we shipped a total of 220 exabytes, up 21% year over year, with data center representing 90% of that total. Data center revenue was $3.4 billion, up 18% sequentially and 63% year-over-year, and representing 81% of total revenue. Data center shipments totaled 198 exabytes, up 24% year over year, and represented 90% of the company's overall exabyte volume. As Dave noted, we are staging Mosaic 4 products ahead of anticipated customer qualifications, and we expect capacity shipments to meaningfully step up in the December quarter. Global cloud customers accounted for the vast majority of data center revenue and extra buy demand, a trend that we expect to continue as we ramp Mosaic4 volume. At the same time, demand across the enterprise OEM data center markets has continued to strengthen. As AI applications transition more toward inference and agent-based workloads, customers are seeking scalable, high-capacity storage solutions across hybrid cloud data center environments. In the September quarter, revenue from these markets increased for the sixth consecutive quarter, with double-digit growth both sequentially and year-over-year. Complementing this trend in our data center business, our edge IoT markets also delivered solid revenue growth. Revenue totaled $784 million, representing 19% of total revenue. This was an increase of 13% sequentially and 52% year-over-year. Moving on to the rest of the income statement, non-GAAP gross profit increased significantly to $2.4 billion, up 28% quarter-over quarter, and more than doubling from $1.1 billion in the year-ago period. Non-GAap gross margin expanded to 57.8 percent, up from 52.7 percent in the prior period, reflecting favorable pricing execution and an improving product mix as we ramp Mosaic 4 products. These factors more than offset cost headwinds associated with certain externally sourced components. Looking ahead, we expect continued benefit from our value-based pricing strategy and product mix to support quarterly margin extension for the rest of fiscal 2027. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $300 million, or about 7% of revenue. The strong demand environment, combined with disciplined expense management, drove substantial operating leverage, with non-GAap operating profit up 33% sequentially to $2.1 billion, representing 50.7% of revenue. Other income and expenses totaled $38 million in the September quarter. Following the debt reduction we completed earlier in October, we anticipate other income and expenses to decrease further in the December quarter to approximately $25 million, benefiting from the lower interest expense. Non-GAAP net income grew to $1.8 billion, with corresponding Non-GAP EPS of $7.68 per share, based on tax expense of $328 million, and a diluted share count of approximately 232 million shares. Turning now to cash flow and the balance sheet, operating cash flow was $1,7 billion, and capital expenditures were $211 million for the September quarter, or 5% of revenue. For fiscal 2027, we continue to expect CapEx investment will remain within our target range of 4-6% of revenue as we support the ongoing transition to MR technology. Higher profitability and in-line CapEx resulted in free cash flow generation of $1.5 billion, up 32% from the prior quarter and more than tripling year-over-year. We expect cash generation to further improve throughout fiscal 2027, supported by sustained demand, operational efficiencies, and complex discipline. During the September quarter, we retired $1.2 billion in debt, including the remaining convertible notes and approximately $1 billion in high-yield debt. We exited the quarter with gross debt of approximately $2.4 billion and a net leverage ratio of 0.2 times. Following the close of the September quarter, we retired an additional $750 million of high-yield senior notes, reducing principal debt to approximately $1.6 billion. As a result of our actions, we expect to be net cash positive exiting this calendar year. We have now delivered on our goal of strengthening the balance sheet and are now focused on returning more of our free cash flow generation to our shareholders. During the September quarter, we returned $568 million to shareholders through dividend and share repurchases, roughly two times the amount returned in the June quarter. We are also increasing our quarterly dividend by approximately 3% to $0.76 per share, reflecting our confidence that strong cash generation is sustainable. We exited the September quarter with $4.4 billion, remaining on our existing share of purchase authorization, and expect to significantly increase share of purchases starting in calendar 2027. We ended September quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $1.3 billion and total liquidity of $2.6 billion, including our undrawn revolving credit facility. Turning now to the December quarter outlook, we expect another quarter of strong sequential growth underpinned by continued demand momentum, a significant increase in extra buy shipments, ongoing execution of our value-based pricing strategy. We expect December quarter revenue to be in a range of $4.8 billion plus or minus $100 million, which represents a 70% year-over-year improvement at the midpoint. Non-GAAP operating expenses are expected to remain flat at approximately $300 million. Based on the midpoint of our revenue guidance, non-GAAP operating margin is expected to expand towards the mid-50% range. Non-GAap EPS is expected be $9.20 plus or minus $0.20, based on a tax rate of about 16% and non-GAP diluted share count of 233 million shares. Our September quarter results and December quarter outlook reinforce our expectation for annual revenue growth to meaningfully outpace fiscal 2026. Durable demand, increasing mosaic adoption, and healthy operating leverage are supporting ongoing revenue growth, margin expansion, and strong cash generation. Together with our increasing focus on capital returns, we are well positioned to increase long-term shareholder value. Operator, let's open the call out for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. In the interest of time, we ask that you limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you have further questions, you may re-enter the question queue. Once again, that was star then 1 to ask a question. The first question today is from C.J. Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead. Yeah. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. first question regarding exabyte deceleration in the september quarter and curious you know given your inventory days moved up to 97 from 83 was was there kind of staging involved pre-building that's supporting your outlook for the accelerated exabytes into december and and then maybe you know as you think about calendar 27 you were kind of in the mid 30s range you're you're you know reiterating kind of the mid-20s long term curious you know given the ramp of mosaic whether you know we should be kind of in the in that 30 plus range or or do you think uh we will revert to uh that compounded number you know at some point in calendar 27. hi cj thanks for the question yeah uh if you think back to the june quarter we had a pretty appreciable step up in the september quarter we were relatively flat to your point and the quarter we're in now the december quarter will step up again so we are on a trajectory that and i think 25 is a really good number for that um we're driving product transitions and we have to stage them quite quite a ways out in time we make sure that we lock in with our customers on what they need to when those things have to hit their dock and and sync up with all the other parts that that they need to build the data center so uh pretty happy with the progress and still uh units staging very aggressive aerial density and product transition technologies so that we can get to those higher exabyte levels yes today we have few customers that we qualify most like for in the next quarter and therefore we are preparing manufacturing for uh for those calls and and the volume that we can shift to them in the december quarter and later Perfect. And as a quick follow-up, Shalmukha, on the operating margin guidance in the slide deck approaching or towards the mid-50s, you know, should we be modeling 50 percent, or are you suggesting something else? No, I think we're suggesting… 55 percent, sorry. 55, sorry? Well, we are suggesting something that is between 50 and 55. So, of course, it's another improvement compared to what we have done this quarter that was already above the 50 percent so we are we are very happy on how we are managing the operating margin in particular you have seen continuous improvement in revenue in gross margin very stable opex so this is resulting in sequential strong improvement in operating margin and now we are approaching now even higher results that that we have uh guided for this december quarter and as we said in prior calls we expect to improve even more in uh in the rest of the fiscal year very helpful thank you thank you the next question is from eric woodring with morgan stanley please go ahead hey guys thank you so much for uh for taking my questions um really sean pricing obviously in the quarter i'd love any commentary that you could provide there just on how to look forward on that on that price per terabyte metric but but separately also just to address the cost per terabyte um declined you know over the last four quarters you've done something like 15 annual cost declines or year over year cost declimes um you just did kind of mid single digits so can can you maybe help us understand any temporary factors that are impacting that related to the mosaic transition or or when we should expect that uh that metric to uh accelerate and then quick follow up please thank you yeah thanks eric it's uh it's a uh complicated question so on the pricing side you know i continue to believe that that's very dependent upon demand and demand continues to be very strong uh not just in quarter but you know you look two three four quarters out. People are demanding that we go higher in exabytes as well. So it's a great long-term relationship that we have with the customers. And we're able to predictably go through these product transitions and accelerate our technology the way we talked about. And I don't see that changing. In the past years ago, we would see product swaps and things like that, people saying I don't need product in quarter. We're seeing none of that right now. Absolutely everything we can make above and beyond our plans is being spoken for. On the cost side, you know that we control our manufacturing efficiency of our critical technologies, and that's the largest driver of our costs. We get a lot of efficiency, especially in cost per terabyte, if that's a metric, as we transition platforms. But during some of the transitions, We get early costs, things like scrap that go up. It doesn't dissuade us from driving the transitions. We continue to drive them very hard, and then we go work those things down. Right now, I see more opportunity because the future transitions look even brighter than I would have said 90 days ago. So I'm pretty excited about that. Yeah, Eric, I would say our cost decline for what we produce, so as a media, is continuing to be very, very strong. So we are happy with that. the cost of the external component as you know compared to a year ago is now much higher and therefore nobody is at least a partial offset of our internal cost reduction from an higher external component cost so we have to see where the external components cost will go in the future but what we can control is uh is actually performing very well now when we have enough visibility and we have the time to include that cost increase for the external component into our pricing of course we do it and this is also why you have seen a little bit higher cost increase sorry price increase to our customers in in the current quarter but sometimes it's not it's also predictable so we need a little time to adjust Okay, super. Thank you very much for the feedback there. And then, Dave, maybe just going back to CJ's question at the top of the Q&A, I just want to make sure I understand the kind of product staging dynamics in the September quarter. I just wanna make sure there's no kind of right tail risk here in terms of any yield issues that we need to be thinking about anything in terms data center readiness. I want to just make sure that there's none of those that are impacting and this was generally just product transition leading to the slower sequential exabyte growth as opposed to anything, maybe that would be a little more concerning. Thank you so much. Yeah, there's none. The big step up in the June quarter tapered off a little bit in the September quarter, just timing, and then it'll be another big step of the December quarter. And then, you know, as we get through these product transitions, we'll see exabyte growth. Awesome, guys. Thanks so much, good luck. The next question is from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. Please go ahead. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I guess the first one was really, you folks reiterated the 4% to 6% of revenue for CapEx in fiscal 27. Is that a sustainable framework to support mid-20% Exabyte growth longer term beyond fiscal 27 as well, especially given the fact you talked about longer tooling needed to offset the longer hammer manufacturing cycles? Could you talk about what the right framework would be longer term, And to the extent you need additional heads or media capacity, how do you kind of weigh between building it organically versus acquiring it? To first order, there's no way we can acquire the hammer technology, the leading edge technology, so we have to do that ourselves, exactly to your point. Yes, we see that 4% to 6% model being plenty for us to continue to grow according to our plans. actually the latest acquisition of new tools is really helping us drive aerial density because we get to buy remarkable new tools that are maybe more capable than what we're replacing in the factory. So that's cause for optimism. We are using some legacy technology from outside as on a case-by-case basis that'll help us pivot some of our manufacturing technology to HAMR. But I definitely think that 25% is the target for our exabyte growth. We can do that predominantly through the aerial density transitions that we're driving. Some of those components get, we've talked about this in the last couple of quarters, some of those components get a little bit longer time in the factory. And so therefore, we have to adjust our output uh and accordingly but we can do that all within the four to six percent window got it that's helpful and then you as hammer ramps up especially with mosaic 4 becoming a bigger percent of exabyte for you folks uh what's the why do you think about cost for bid cost for bid declines as you get through that transition uh i get that the four-to-six percent range right now isn't the optimal one but i'm just curious as hammer rams up for you what's what's the right cost-per-bit decline long-term? Yes, as I said before, the cost for the components that we produce, of course, is continuing to decline. And when you go from a three terabyte per disk to a four terabyte disk, you have a major impact in term of cost- per-terabyte decline. As I said, before, right now, there is also an impact from external components. So you need to separate the two between internal efficiency and technology improvement that is driving cost reduction and the overall cost per terabyte that is, of course, also impacted by the external supply chain and the external component cost. So you have seen a very good decline in the prior quarter, a little bit less in the September quarter. We need to understand the various drivers for the different components because we buy a lot of different components externally. But overall, when you go even longer term, the technology is what is driving cost per terabyte. And having a technology that continues to generate more terabyte per disk is exactly the way that we want to follow in order to reduce the cost per terabyte and improve our profitability. The next question is from Krish Sankar with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Yeah. Hi. Thanks for the question. Dave or John, I just want to follow up on the earlier question. I understand the dynamics of the cost with the product transition, but if you just look at it from a high level, you know, 50 percent of your exabytes exiting the series is going to be hammered, which is growth margin accretive. And like your peer, you know, you're sticking to 10 platters, not going to 12 or 14, which in theory, I think you said increases cost. So I'm just wondering, why don't the cost downs be even better going forward? Or would you consider moving beyond the 10 platter with any technical reason for not doing it? And then add a follow-up. I'll start at the end. There's no technical reason. We're not moving beyond 10 plattors. I mean, I take the platform and we get leverage, cost leverage, to your point, going from product generation to product generation, we don't have to transition the mechanical piece parts and pay for new tooling and things like that. So we know the platform, we like it, we're going to stay on it, but there's no technical reason why we can't start adding platters. Actually, from a qualification perspective, it's much simpler, especially with our customers to just qualify one thing that they don't Have to, you know, go through any new risks on except for just the technology transition. They don't have to change the dynamics of how many heads and disks are in the drive. From my perspective, I probably should have said this on one of the earlier comments as well, there's not a significant cost increase in the hammer technology from one generation to the other. So the cost per terabyte takedown, you can pretty much calculate it if you go from four to five, for example. And we are driving five very very hard right now all right well there's a quick follow-up i understand you're maintaining your capital intensity four to six percent um you know obviously your peers talk about going into like eight percent in the next couple of years so obviously the distant third player talking about adding capacity in japan so i'm just wondering um is the four to six percent still a good bogey to use for the next few years or uh should we worry about any potential share loss or is the demand so much greater in supply that it should not matter well i don't really speculate on what our competitors plans are i'll just say relative to ours i think four to six percent is just fine um you know i have a lot of respect for everybody in the industry but their technology solutions may differ from ours and and you may see that over the next few years from our perspective demand remains really strong and from a supply side we continue to believe that bringing meaningful hdd capacity to market is a really complex process that requires substantial investment in r d and technology it's an intricate supply chain balance and and you know the idea of just plugging in a few machines i mean it's orders of magnitude more difficult than that it really requires tight coordination throughout our supply chain. So most of our, as I said in the prepared remarks, our near-line Exabyte supplies are already allocated through calendar year 2028, and we're having conversations much further out than that. So we have a lot of confidence that our customers are going to be there, and we believe supply will remain fairly tight for our products over that period. So we're just going to keep focusing on our technology roadmap and try to get products out and up, meet exactly what the customers need when they do, and I'm not really worried about anything else. Thanks a lot, Dave. The next question is from Asya Merchant with Citi. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you for taking my call. You mentioned a lot about KB cash adoption contributing to demand. So, you know, given that, how should we think about, you know, unconstrained demand and the impact to exabyte demand given just this trend that you're seeing on KV caching. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. I do think we are watching a lot of new technologies come out that are increasing the value of data very quickly. And so, and, you know, I know a lot people toss around the letters AI. It gets really confusing. What I would say is the data sphere is growing leaps and bounds anyway. Just look at video on the Internet or video analytics, for example, in places like our factory. It's growing very quickly. And then AI is an accelerator of that dynamic. The ability to take data from the application layer and move it down to the storage layer and then promote data from the storage player back up, we've never seen the systems be as efficient as they are right now. with software not in the way with you know compute technologies are much faster than they were in the past and and architecturally things like the KV cache plug between those two layers only accelerates it even faster so very excited about that I don't think any of us has ever lived in a world where things are this efficient above the storage layers and I do think that'll drive a lot of future demand for us yeah we are seeing a demand for storage in not a different part of the cloud growing very rapidly even with a bit faster than what we were expecting so as we were discussing before our demand is stronger and stronger house a big supply demand gap is probably growing at this point but as we said we are really focused on our technology transition and we will ramp more of our 40-terabyte drive in the next few quarters, and this is how we want to address demand. Okay, and just as a follow-up, could I just even ask about physical AI? I know that's probably a little bit longer term, but are you seeing any of that demand currently translate into, you know, meaningful inflections for your exabytes? Thank you. I would say not yet directly, but we're hopeful. I mean, we've had conversations for a long time with autonomous vehicles companies and people that are moving data around in the world. The interesting thing to us about physical AI is not only the need to store the data for training, but it's also the need to store that data to make sure you've made the right decision. And that storage will probably be closer to where the data is actually created, which is the edge. So there's maybe new products that are coming on the horizon. And it's still very early days in this, but I think there's a lot of innovative companies out there driving for value-add solutions out at the edge, and we're watching them carefully. You know, I think this could be a further driver of storage that we haven't really contemplated yet. Thank you. The next question is from Mark Newman with Bernstein. Please go ahead. Yeah. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the numbers. I just want to look a little bit deeper at this price and cost to gross margin. I mean, you've had another very, very strong quarter of gross margin appreciation, and it's obviously based into the guidance as well. But when I look at the price, it seems to be accelerating significantly from what was something like a mid-single-digit Q&Q to something like mid-teens Q& Q this September quarter. And I mean, while your cost, still slightly confused about that, appears to be actually up Q&q, you did point out about some of the component costs coming up. I understand that could be part of it, but is there anything else that we should be aware of perhaps on the mix or something else that may have changed things to may have boosted the price or hurt the cost temporarily that we should be aware of? And I have one follow-up, thanks. No, thanks, Mark. So the first thing I would always say is that I'm really happy with the bottom line. We continue to drive the operating income really well, the free cash flow really well. As you get up into things like gross margin and then above its price, there could be some in-quarter dynamics going on about our product transitions. I've mentioned scrap already. As we drive these hard product transitions, we have to incur some of that scrap. And we actually incur a little bit of manufacturing, I'll call it lossiness, when that happens as well. The yields on the product transition may not be where we want. We go take a quarter or two, and we go beat those back into what the old yields were. So there's a little lost capacity in that. From my perspective, the pricing dynamic is really still about long-term demand. It's not about in-quarter demand, it's about long term demand. And we're having great conversations with our customers about staging these technologies, making sure that we get through the product transition and that their systems are ready that product transition as well because they have to make sure their architecture is ready for the higher capacity drives and and we do that very carefully and uh and make sure making sure we don't build too early for those transitions make sure we just time it right uh it's very important because the the size of the supply chains that we have out in the world are enormous and it's And in order to make sure you're doing what the customers want today, tomorrow, and next year, and the following year, you have to make sure you sync up the number of squared sets that you will with those customers. We're working all of that very hard. And I think that all plays into the pricing and the cost dynamics that you talked about. Yeah, no, that's correct. I think pricing and cost dynamics are always somehow correlated. And when we have visibility on some external cost increase, we try to pass that to customers, including that in our pricing. Sometimes the timing is not immediate because we have contracts in place and we have commitments. But over time, that additional cost from the supply chain, if any, is going to be passed to customers. This is why pricing now is increasing a little bit faster than what we have seen in the past is also to cover that additional cost. As I said before, there is nothing unusual internally. Our cost for producing as a media is declining as we were expecting, but there are additional costs from external components. and as you said before gross margin is actually the improvement of gross margin is actually accelerating because of pricing more than offset that increasing cost so i think we are we are managing this external component in cost increase in the right way in a way that is actually accelerating the profitability of the company I really appreciate that. And a follow-up on price, given all that and the huge price increase you've been getting recently, I mean, should we expect this type of quarterly ASV growth to continue in the mid-teens range, or is that more of a runoff? And I mean I appreciate strong pricing will continue, but that was extremely strong pricing you just printed. So I'm just curious if that's realistic to consider that to continue at that rate. As we talked about on supply, there will be step ups as new contracts come up all the time. I said in the prepared remarks that we don't see any demand destruction at all. If anything, we see a lot more demand creation kind of quarter over quarter. And we're projecting where this is going to be three or four quarters from now then we get into the negotiations with the customers on the exabytes that we've kind of allocated for them we locked down the configuration and then lock down the pricing and i don't see the trend changing too much right now yeah every quarter is a bit different every report is a big difference uh of course everything is included in our guidance. So you see a strong revenue upside. Part of that is coming from Exabyte, as Dave said before. Part is coming pricing. And I think you can model another step up in gross margin. And of course, that is at this point mainly from pricing because now we discuss about the cost and the offset from the external component cost increase. Really great. Thanks very much. The next question is from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Yes, thank you. I wanted to touch on pricing as well. Maybe if you could just double click a little bit on the pricing. How much of this would you say was achieved with already contracted pricing versus what's floating, any relative percentages on there? or hyperscaler versus oem versus edge or or by capacity trenches like any any color incrementally just given the sheer magnitude of what we just saw and i have a quick follow-up yeah i think most of it's on the i'll call it the role rolling uh re-upping of the contract swansea uh it's it's not because we're getting more exabytes out or we're pushing more exabyte's out we're running the business very predictably on that front so uh usually when we see a pricing upside it'll be two or three quarters away um because we'll be able to find a way to get a few more exabytes out then we'll say who wants them uh that comes because we are working you know operations really hard and just trying to get it a little bit more efficiency out of our factories yeah we have not changed our pricing strategy. The strategy is the same, but as we said before, when we have visibility for some of the external cost increase, we have to pass that through and include in our new pricing. So when we negotiate a new contract, of course, we also consider the current situation for the external supply chain cost and adjust the pricing according to that but apart from from their change the strategy is exactly the same that we follow for the last three years at this point right okay and then just as a follow-up on the exabyte growth um i understand that you're calling for an acceleration uh meaningful step up again uh next quarter as we think through the fiscal year is it right to think that we should be seeing sort of improving exabyte growth trajectory as we go through the course of the year uh given that some of this product transition uh issues would be behind you and you're still saying that you're meaningfully under shipping demand thank you yeah i i don't think we had any issues with product transitions i think it's all been planned i mean to your point it's the wafer cycle time is quite long so we've we've known exactly what our exabyte output is going to be uh yes you will see continued acceleration of mosaic 4 and then we're going to start leaning into mosaic 5 as well uh so i i'm very happy with the 25 number we're gonna keep driving it as hard as we can thanks the next question is from ben wright says with millius please go ahead Yeah. Hey, thanks a lot. Dave and Gianluca, I want to talk about the buyback and the cash return pace because you say you're going to start in the March quarter. You actually don't have any debt that comes due, I believe, until June of 2029. So you probably start with free cash flow of around a couple billion, maybe $2 billion at the start of this period. What does it imply for buybacks are you going to do 100 of the free cash flow um that we start with in that march quarter of 27 and can that continue you know up until you have to pay down that debt um what kind of percentages of the pre-cash flow are we looking at here thanks a lot then yeah we're we're thanks man we're very happy to be through the period where we dealt with the debt like you said and and we're back to you know being ourselves our model is 75 and uh you know we should be able to get back to that model over some period of time so that's great beyond that it's opportunistic um you know when we can when when we don't think we have any other needs for the free cash flow that we're generating above above and beyond that 75 percent we'll look at it yeah i think that's correct now we had we had the last uh dead approaches earlier this month um but we are also now active in the market in terms of share by back this quarter but we said starting next quarter because we don't have any other debt activity planned we will step up the share by deck program so you will see much more happening on on that side starting the march quarter okay and thanks a lot for that um you know your customers um especially for most of your business are the big hyperscalers Are you hearing anything about, you know, in terms of their ability to purchase on time, are you hearing anything about land power shell delays, or is it more, are you hostage to their timing of when they get chips or land power shell, and how are you managing that, and how would you characterize that? Thanks a lot. Yeah, Ben, that's an interesting question. The answer to your question is no, But we are very mindful of the fact that we don't want any of our products sitting anywhere. And so it's very important that we do not overbuild and we build exactly to what we think the demand is. The demand for X device will strengthen. The more X device in the box makes the data center much more efficient. The customers know that. They want that. In general, the storage layer does not use a whole lot of power compared to the compute layer. It does not used a whole amount of space and it does not uses a whole a lot of money. so you know we can calculate all those things but we just do not want and we don't want to over shift into a channel that necessarily doesn't have the components elsewhere right we want to make sure we spread spread out as much as we possibly can and I think we're doing a good job of that giving our customers that predictability not just for next quarter but for the next few years now so that they know exactly what they're going to have to go acquire and and they know what their footprint is. They know what your data requirements are, but also their data center capabilities are, and we try to time all that together. Thank you. The next question is from Carl Ackerman with BMP Paribas. Please go ahead. Yes, thank you. Obviously, hyperscale demand is robust, but you spoke about near record sales from on-prem enterprise. I'm cognizant that CPU providers said traditional server demand supports 25 of the agentic cpu uh opportunity so my question is um frankly have you seen it yet and as more of these cpu racks become deployed for the next 12 months across both hyperscale and on-prem how is your penetration rate of high capacity hard drives changing due to this agentic CPU demand boom thank you yeah it's an interesting question I would say typically those enterprise and OEM customers lagged quite a bit, the highest capacity points, and they're starting to not lag as much. I mean, so the storage layers are much more data rich, and the products are higher capacity drives than they ever have been before. I think maybe inside of your question, there's some of this, is it truly just an on-prem instance where you may only have one petabyte, or are we talking about people that may be serviced through these channels that may grow to a larger scale? I think we're seeing both, and there's demand for both types of products. So, there may be just on-prem, meaning a small office or, you know, a small enterprise. And then there may some of these channels that are actually servicing, you know, people who are doing software cloud instances and things like that. Thank you. The next question is from Joe Quattrochi with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I was wondering if you could just quantify what was the external component impact on gross margin, and then is that expected to be completely offset and embedded in the December quarter guide? Yeah, it is included in the – in the December guidance. As I said before, there is – the cost related to what we produce, and that is declining as rapidly as we said in the past and then there is the cost of what we buy externally and if you compare to the cost or the same component a year ago today that cost is higher and so is partially offsetting the cost decline that we generate internally but everything is included in the guidance and the guidance is showing an improvement not only strong improvement not only in revenue but also in gross margin in operating margin and of course eps so i think the trend of improvement is the same that you have seen in the past and of course we are managing this additional external cost as well as we can and still generating strong improvements excellent maybe as a follow-up you know apologies for another question kind of ASPs, but just thinking about just the increase in dollar per terabyte, can you help us understand like how much of the was maybe mixed driven by, you know, higher hammer contributions relative to like light for light price uplift? Yeah, let's see. If the product's going to say hyperscalers they're pulling really hard on new capacity points that are much more efficient better tco proposition for their data centers so uh we get the benefit from that um relative to price per terabyte you know that's fairly well blended across the entire portfolio um so some of those contracts with the hyperscalers are more four quarters think of it as four quarters rolling if you will um but and some of the other stuff is a little less than that So, you know, I don't know that you can really look at it different markets, but I think that relative to our ability to actually predict, we're going after the highest capacity points to make sure that we keep those big chunks of demand kind of predictable for us so we can run our factories. The next question is from Joseph Cardoso with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for the question here. Maybe just wanted to follow up. I think in the past, you kind of hinted at maybe an outlook around Hammer exiting your fiscal 27. So, just curious if there's any update there on how we should be thinking about Hammer's share of nearline as we track through the fiscal year, just giving, you know, any shifts and thoughts around constraints on getting there faster, like customer calls, head wafer cycle times, or any other variables. And then I do have a quick follow-up. Thank you. Thanks, Joseph. Everything on the four terabyte per platter is on track, so we're happy with the qualification progress. We're happy the initial units we've shipped to the field and how they're doing in the field. Everything's on track there. 5 terabyte is that we're actually more optimistic than we were last quarter, I'd say. We see the ability to make this transition a little bit faster than we originally planned. And we'll get to talking to that when we get into fiscal 28. We're going to stage that and go as hard as we possibly can because that's yet another improvement for us. And I also see the 5 terabyte per platter extending fairly rapidly into 6 terabyte for platter. So love this platform. uh the technology development is going quite well and we're pretty optimistic about it we'll keep driving it yeah so i'll say there are no changes on uh on our targets that we discussed in the prior report in terms of uh m as a percentage of total near land exabytes for uh end of calendar 26 and then for fiscal 27. no got it makes sense and then you know just wanted to touch on some the comments and the prepared remarks that you guys had around agreements extending through calendar 30, if I heard correctly, maybe just touch on like, is there changes or differences between, you know, the agreements going out all the way through calendar 30 versus maybe the ones that are more near term in terms of calendar 28? Just curious in terms OF how you guys are thinking about or like what's how we should be thinking about maybe more importantly around those agreements relative to locking in exabytes, pricing, et cetera, and maybe how these agreements are influencing your capacity plans. Thank you. Our process hasn't changed. So we're giving visibility to people about what our exabyte growth will be. And then we're saying basically when you get within, say, 12 months, we lock in the configuration that we're going to be building in our factories, and then we lock in pricing. That's what I would call the build-to-order process that we have. As things roll forward, if demand stays strong, as strong as it is, we may see that some of those contracts start, we lock them in at higher prices. That is fine. We also would understand very quickly if somebody was not pulling according to the plan, we could pull back. We don't see any evidence of that right now. I think we're in a multi-year growth phase for data. And the reason I say that is just go back five years ago, the data storage products were roughly shipping half the exabytes on a quarterly basis of where we are today. And then we had this big downturn. So the world's making up for a lot of lost time and there's growth, extreme growth in data everywhere. So I think the next five years will be very strong from that perspective. And the value of that data with some of these accelerated applications is, you know, it's becoming much more valuable. So, I'm very excited about this. I think the customers are as well, so they know what they're planning for, what they are going to install capacity for, and we'll work together with them on that. Thank you. Appreciate the call. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dave Mosley for any closing remarks. Thanks, Gary, and thanks again to everyone for joining us. Look, we're entering fiscal 2027 with really strong momentum ahead of what we believe is a multiyear growth phase for mass capacity storage. We're executing our strategy that positioned Seagate to capture that opportunity through continued technology innovation and disciplined execution with a relentless focus on driving profitable growth and creating value for our customers and shareholders. Thank you, and we'll talk to you next quarter. The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.