Ventas Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call - NATIONWIDE HEALTH PROPERTIES INC

you Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Ventus Inc. Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I will now hand the conference over to BJ Grant, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. BJ, please go ahead. Thank you, Chase. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Ventos Third Quarter 2026 Results Conference Call. Yesterday, we issued our Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Release Presentation Materials and Supplemental Information Package, which are available on the Ventas website at ir.ventosreek.com. As a reminder, remarks today may include forward-looking statements in other matters. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and a variety of topics may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated in such statements. For more detailed discussion of those factors, please refer to our earnings release for this quarter and to our most recent SEC filings, all of which are available on the Ventos website. Certain non-GAAP financial measures will also be discussed on this call, and for a reconciliation of these measures to the most closely comparable GAAP measures, please And please refer to our supplemental information package posted on the Investor Relations website. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Debra Acuffaro, Chairman and CEO of Ventas. Thank you, BJ. I also want to welcome all of our shareholders and other participants, including our newest Ventas colleague, Andy Watula, to the Ventas Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Ventas delivered strong enterprise results and growth in the quarter as we execute our 1-2-3 strategy. Our senior housing operating portfolio, now in its fifth year of double-digit organic growth, powered our results and our significant shop investment activity enhanced our outlook. In an environment of rapid change, the Ventas investment thesis remains consistent and clear. Our $60 billion enterprise generates performance from nearly 1,500 physical assets, serving the need-based secular demand of a large and growing aging population. Ventas is one of the rare growthy businesses that is neither AI-focused nor AI-correlated. In addition, our strong and improving financial profile provides stability and opportunity amid volatile capital market conditions. As a result, we are well-positioned to thrive in a variety of economic environments. Within that context, our team remains focused on using our high-quality portfolio, differentiated platform, operating expertise, deep industry relationships, and data advantages to fuel our momentum and deliver outperformance at scale. Our excellent results demonstrate the power of our enterprise and our position as the world's second-largest owner of senior housing. U.S. shop same-store cash NOI grew 17% in the quarter, contributing to our 11% total company same- store cash NOIs growth. The first prong of our 1-2-3 strategy is capturing organic shop growth through rate and occupancy. Strong rate growth was coupled with shop occupancy outperformance in the Q. Same-store average occupancy grew 120 basis points sequentially, driven by Ventas OI. This continues a multi-year trend of materially outpacing industry benchmarks. In fact, our shop portfolio has grown occupancy at twice the pace of the NIC average since 2023, generating nearly 600 basis points of incremental outperformance during that period. And yet our U.S. shop properties remain only 89% occupied, supporting a multi-year runway ahead for durable occupancy rate and NOI growth. I want to thank our Ventas colleagues and operators for their strong execution and commitment to outstanding senior care and services in our communities. Our third quarter normalized FFO per share of $0.99 represents 10% growth year-over-year, and our credit profile continued its significant multi-year improvement trend as we ended the quarter with net debt to EBITDA in the low four times. We are pleased to again increase our full-year FFO per share guidance to $3.89, primarily because of our 2026 investment activity. The VENTUS strategy is built to capture unprecedented, durable demographic demand. Now more than ever, individuals and their families are attracted by the benefits of safety, socialization, and support provided in our senior housing communities at a cost comparable to aging at home. The baby boomer generation, a cohort of nearly 70 million individuals and the wealthiest generation in history, began turning 80 this year. And we are just now stepping into the period of enormous growth in our customer base as the U.S. senior population is expected to expand 28 percent over the next five years and remain elevated for over a decade. Yet construction starts of new senior housing units hover at record lows, with a paltry 1,000 units being started in the quarter. With at least a three-year start-to-finish development cycle and increased construction costs, we should enjoy these powerful tailwinds supporting our growth for the foreseeable future. Our business and team at Ventas are built to meet this moment, capitalize on these trends, and continue to outperform the industry at scale. The second prong of our strategy, of course, is to aggressively expand our shop footprint through attractive acquisitions designed to enhance our enterprise growth rate. Our investment momentum is strong, and year-to-date we've closed more than $5 billion of shop investments, which are expected to produce double-digit to mid-teens, unlevered IRRs, and year one average yields in the mid-sixes. Our pipeline remains robust, and we are actively advancing actionable shop investment opportunities to build on our success and expand our shop business. As a long-term industry participant with nearly 1,000 senior housing communities, we have built a significant competitive moat, including our relationships, platform, data, team, financial strengths, and operating experiences. These advantages, coupled with our right market, right asset, right operator framework, drive our investment decisions, keep our win rate high, and help our acquired communities and operators outperform after closing. With the recent global move in interest rates and geopolitical uncertainty, our competitive position has strengthened even further. To close, the entire Ventos team is unified and excited about the opportunities for a multi-year growth and value creation ahead we remain focused on winning together and delivering out performance at scale as we help people live longer healthier and happier lives and now i'm pleased to turn the call over to justin thank you debbie good morning and thank you for joining us the third quarter reflected continued strong execution across our senior housing operating portfolio and our investment platform i'll cover four areas our shop results the oi platform supporting them the pace and quality of our external growth and the outlook for the business let me start with the shop results same store shop cash noi grew 16 percent year over year led by our u.s portfolio 17 percent. Revenue grew 8.3 percent, benefiting from both occupancy and rate growth. This marks the 17th consecutive quarter in a row of double-digit shop NOI growth. Average occupancy increased 120 basis points sequentially and 290 basis points year-over-year overall and 320 basis points in the U.S., led by independent living, which is up 340 basis points. Growth was broad based across markets, community types, and operators. REVPOR grew 5%. This compares with 4.7% last year and 4.4% the year before. We continue to achieve stronger pricing in communities with higher occupancy, demonstrating the value proposition to the resident. Operating leverage is also visible in the results. Same-store cash NOI margin expanded 190 basis points to 30.7%. Incremental margin flow-through was 53%, which has also been trending positively. As occupancy rises, a greater share of each incremental revenue dollar converts to NOI. This performance reflects how we have built the portfolio in the right markets, with the right assets, and the right operators. Furthermore, our communities that are currently 95% occupied delivered 7% REV4 growth. Our shop communities across 48 states, Canada, and the UK are weighted toward markets with favorable fundamentals, including Texas, New York, California, Florida, and North Carolina. Projected uncapped net demand in our U.S. markets is roughly 1200 basis points over the next few years and residents in those markets have plenty of resources to cover the cost of their expected stay the communities are large scale averaging about 115 units with a mix of roughly half independent living and the other half being assisted living and memory care we have completed nearly 400 community refresh capex projects in 2020 and we work with nearly 50 operators ranging from emerging regional names to institutional platforms who are all locally focused occupancy and rate working together remain the primary driver of performance within the nick top 99 markets our occupancy outperformed the industry by more than double with 130 basis points sequentially we have consistently beat the market since the first quarter 2023 cumulative outperformance is nearly 600 basis points we attribute this to our operators execution at the community level supported by the ventas oi platform our u.s shop portfolio is just 89 percent occupied which leaves substantial room to grow we expect strong performance ahead driven by occupancy gains rate growth and operating leverage as price and volume work together we see this as a multi-year growth opportunity. Now, I want to touch upon the Ventas OI Data Analytics and Insights platform, which has proven to be a significant competitive advantage. Our competitive advantage rests on our right market, right asset, right operator framework, strengthened by the Ventos OI data analytics and insights platform, which is focused both on driving operational performance and investment execution. We choose operating partners for their market-leading care and service, product expertise, leadership close to the community operations, and collaborative culture. Our management agreements align our interests and support long-term investment in each community. In a highly fragmented industry, success requires managing at scale across markets, communities, and operators. Ventas OI enables that scale through collaborative oversight, combining our team's operating expertise with proprietary data and best-in-class analytics to inform operational upside, guide refreshed capital, and refine the portfolio, all in support of delivering outperformance. We believe this combination of platform, people, and execution at scale creates a competitive promote that is difficult to replicate and essential in order to successfully grow and operate in the fragmented senior housing industry. It also strengthens relationships and opens growth opportunities for operators who deliver out performance. We are growing in terms of number of operators and expanding existing relationships with high performing operators. For instance, we have expanded investments and communities under management with three quarters of our operators this includes our top five operators who together represent over 60 of our shop noi i'm proud of our team and grateful to our operating partners for their work every day now turning to investments we continue to scale our senior housing operating portfolio through market leading acquisitions year to date we've closed 5.2 billion of total investments focused on senior housing across 37 different transactions this brings our total external growth since the beginning of 2024 to over 10 billion at cost which represents more than a 35 percent expansion of our shop footprint our recently closed senior housing investments feature an attractive mix of communities that provide various combinations of in-place cash flow yields and growth there are multiple levers to drive outsized growth in these deals. Examples include communities with significant occupancy upside, value-add investments with both occupancy and rate upside supported by planned near-term CapEx investments, and communities that are local market leaders with demonstrated multi-year track records of high rate growth. These and other factors contribute to generating the projected double-digit to mid-teens, 10-year, unlevered IRRs underwritten in each of our deals. From an initial pricing standpoint, our expected year one yields on our senior housing investments are an attractive 6.6% overall. These investments are expected to benefit from the various growth drivers I've described contributing to accretive enterprise growth. On average, our senior Senior housing investments here today have a basis of approximately $346,000 per unit and were acquired at significant discounts to estimated replacement costs. The U.S. senior housing market is setting new transaction volume records this year and our pipeline remains very robust. We are one of the largest acquirers of luxury senior housing communities in the U. S. market and are also engaged in numerous off-market discussions with potential sellers and operators on a wide range of attractive opportunities. Our relationship-based approach to sourcing investments, which accounts for over 90% of our investment volume, provides meaningful competitive advantages as current and prospective partners are attracted to the Ventas OI platform and our way of doing business. Operators want to work with us. We're also encouraged that the recent movements in the pricing of debt capital should reinforce our competitive positioning and create further investment opportunities. To summarize, we continue to offer an attractive value proposition for our residents. We are delivering strong organic growth in shop, adding to our footprint through market-leading acquisitions with Upside, outperforming industry occupancy benchmarks, and continuously elevating the fully deployed Ventas OI platform and the outlook for new investments continues to be as strong as ever. We are confident in our strategy and our team. Now, I'll hand it over to Bob. Thank you, Justin, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with our third quarter financial performance then discuss our balance sheet and conclude with our improved outlook for 2026. i'm pleased to report another quarter of strong enterprise performance normalized ffo was 99 cents per share representing a 10 increase year over year driving the growth was total company same store performance which increased 11 year-over-year led by shop growth of 16 percent i note that the 11 same store growth rate for the company is a record high and is driven both by the attractive mid-teens growth rate in shop and also by shop comprising an ever larger proportion of our overall business consistent with our one two three strategy our outpatient medical and research portfolio or omar delivered two and a half percent same store cash noi growth in the third quarter led by outpatient medical which grew four percent outpatient medical occupancy increased 10 basis points year over year marking its ninth consecutive quarter of occupancy growth center retention remains strong supported by 10 satisfaction scores at the 95th percentile our research portfolio which represents a small portion of our NOI experienced a modest decline in the third quarter as expected. Our triple net portfolio generated over 8% same-store cash NOI growth in the 3rd quarter and was driven by negotiated rent increases. Turning to the balance sheet, our net debt to EBITDA of 4.4 times is our strongest leveraged level in well over a decade and represents nearly a full turn of improvement year over year the strengthening of our credit profile is the result of organic property growth as well as equity funded investments i would note that this improvement was achieved while delivering attractive normalized ffo per share growth year to date we've already closed 5.2 billion dollars of investments focused on senior housing above the four and a half billion contemplated in our prior full year guidance We have funded this investment activity with $4.7 billion of equity capital, together with dispositions and assumed debt. We maintain excellent liquidity of $4 1⁄2 billion, which gives us flexibility to pursue our robust pipeline of investment opportunities. Last, I'll turn to our updated earnings outlook. Given our strong year-to-date performance and investment execution, we are once again increasing our earnings outlook for the year. We have raised our net income guidance to $0.64 to $.67 per share, or $0,066 per share at the midpoint. We are increasing our full-year normalized FFO per share guidance to now range from $3.87 to $3,090 per share. Which represents year-over-year growth of 9% to 10%. The one cent improvement in our new guidance midpoint is primarily driven by two cents from 2026 senior housing investment activity, partially offset by one cent from the impact of higher interest rates in FX. We are reaffirming our same-store cash NOI guidance for each segment and for the total company. A few comments on our fourth quarter. investment pipeline is strong and our guidance only includes closed investments at 5.2 billion at this later stage in the year i would note that our guidance assumes we refinance maturing debt in the coming months and finally we expect the majority of our disposition and loan repayment guidance of 700 million at a seven percent yield to close in the fourth quarter for additional assumptions supporting our guidance, please refer to our Q3 supplemental and earnings presentation posted to our website. To close, we are very pleased with our performance year-to-date. Our strategy is producing consistent growth, and we remain focused on creating long-term value for our shareholders. And with that, I'll turn the call back to the operator. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If your are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Nick Joseph with Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Thank you. You talked about the robust acquisition pipeline. Obviously, we've seen that come through in the activity year-to-date as well as the current pipeline. I was hoping you could touch on competition and, as interest rates have moved, how that has actually changed your expectation of competition going forward. Nice, Justin. yeah we've had a really active year and that's representative of our our existing pipeline as well and our approach has really been to first of all we have very intensive screening of the pipeline secondly we tend to lean in where we have competitive advantages and those advantages are oftentimes relationship driven we have a very very high growth rate with repeat sellers we have a high growth rate with repeat operators and that's led to some really attractive acquisition opportunities of luxury senior housing and so that's how we've been winning you know there's certainly competition in the market um you know not everything's the right fit for us and it may be a better home for it uh there there is the impact of interest rates that you mentioned That could slow down private buyers. That'd put us in an advanced position. And then, you know, we'll also just see how cap rates settle over time. You mentioned the relationship-driven deals. How much do changes in interest rates impact those conversations? Well, the interest in sellers to transact is ongoing. One of the things that happens, and it tends to lag a bit, so we're not really seeing a lot of activity around these types of discussions yet, is there'll be discussion around price and what the right cap rate is in the current market, but it's still pretty early. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Farrell Gruneth with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I wanted to just circle back on the comment that you had made about the 7 percent REVPOR growth in your 95 percent occupied units. I was curious how much of the NOI or which segments do you currently stand at that 95 level? It's a lot. We have, you know, a large portion of our portfolio in that category. We have NOI growth really across the operating metrics that 95% band outperforms the broader portfolio. We also look at it in another way, which is communities that are 100% occupied. And we talked about in the last quarter that we had 10% of our portfolio that were at or near 100%. That number now is 15% of the portfolio, and that group of communities has outsized REV4 growth as well. So we're particularly excited about our hypothesis playing out, which is that communities can go all the way to 100% occupied, they can deliver higher pricing opportunity at the high occupancy levels, and then we can do it at scale. And so the movement in the underlying portfolio is really exciting, but I think it's also really important to note that we've built our portfolios to have a long runway of occupancy opportunity that the US occupancy is only 89% occupied so we have this this runway ahead and into the demand that Debbie mentioned that really hasn't even played out yet where we can continue with with strong occupancy and rate growth great and I guess on that point also I think I'm just trying to bridge between, especially now, obviously at that 95, we're seeing 7% or you're seeing over 7% Rev4 or around 7%, but where the about 92% same store occupancy in Rev4 was still around 5, can you just bridge between expectations for rate growth, I guess, moving forward as maybe that occupancy continues to grow as you fill up more of your communities? yeah yep so you you have all the kind of levers of rate include the in-house rent increases um you have street rates as well um and then ultimately what your move-in rents are and we've seen you know you know really good trending in both in- house rent increases and in move- in rents they've been favorable that's been supporting the five percent rev growth. I mentioned my prepared remarks that REV4 growth over the last two years, it was like 4.3 and then a 4.7 of 5% this year. So we're on this accelerating trend of REVPOR. And that's a direct result of having higher occupied communities and also just, you know, managing price opportunity in what is very, very strong underlying affluent markets. So, we think that opportunity continues. You know, as we continue to pull those levers and, you know, outperform in a very strong market backdrop. Okay, thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jim Kamert with Evercore. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thank you. You know kind of building perhaps on those prior comments, Justin, what do you think the portfolio, for your portfolio, your best estimate of export versus report delta being because that seems to be a big driver right delta is very important well i mean that's a good question so you know they're they're both metrics are a function of occupancy growth uh so in this environment um you know as revenue has been growing it's been driven by rate and occupancy you know rev4 is around five percent we've been consistently under 2% on OPEC's poor side of things, and we're expecting continued occupancy growth as we're only 89% occupied in the U.S., and so that opportunity continues, but what's unique now is that we have more communities in the higher occupied categories. That's driving rate, so that's an exciting opportunity, and so I don't know if I have the exact answer to your question in terms of a particular target in mind but we expect that that there's opportunity for that spread to widen um and we also you know expect to see you know further incremental margin you know as as as we move into the the upcoming years as well thank you you know i think i phrased it wrong yeah the opportunity widened that's what i was looking for thank you and then just back to the acquisition environment you know just just being a skeptic wouldn't the cap rates still continue to compress given there's so much money out there chasing this and i don't know just you know what are you seeing that you affirm is your view that you can still obtain these loads mid teens double digit irrs i'm missing something yeah we've had you know we've got a really really good run for three years straight now of acquiring luxury senior housing that has um you know unlevered IRRs of low double digit to mid-teens. And, you know, we've been achieving our underwriting, you now, which is obviously an important component and gives us the confidence to keep going. There, you, know, cap rates will move around a bit. And certainly, you know, with the, you know, debt cost of capital going up, that could have some impact to kind of normalize cap rates. There has been a lot of competition. We'll see how that plays out in the upcoming, you know, months. But in any event, our pipeline is really active and robust. So we're excited about continuing to work on those opportunities and continue the external growth. Terrific. Thank you for your comments. Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Seldman with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Great. Thank You for taking the question. I guess just still focusing on expense side um so your margins expanded 190 basis points year over year they slipped 20 basis points sequentially despite occupancy increasing just can you talk more about the the line items specifically and maybe more importantly as we think about next year you know it sounds like fundamentals are still very strong occupancy should be growing uh you know revenue should be growing but is there something on the expense line we need to be focused on that might be a bigger drag than we're thinking about or just what is your outlook over the next 12 months or so on the expense side yeah thanks for the question i'm gonna i'm going to start with you mentioned the quarters a little bit of slip of in margin in the quarter um you know our incremental margin was you know it has been running kind of low to mid 50s two years ago that was 43 percent um so you know we've had the you know the advantage of occupancy growth and the offering leverage playing out for us um it's a multi-year opportunity you know it's never a straight line the quarter was impacted by there's an extra day in the third quarter and we had utility costs were a little bit high you know so that impacted margin but the you know the hypothesis remains very much in place and that is that operating leverage benefits margin and and delivers strong incremental margin growth which all things considered equal should only improve as we move forward in this moment. Ladies and gentlemen, please hold while we evaluate the technical difficulties. We can hear you now if you would like to continue answering the question. Jamie, what was the last thing that you heard Justin say? I'm just going to summarize what I said for are you there? Yeah I'm here. Yeah I think you had just started to answer so maybe if you want to start over. Okay. right? We'll see if I do better this time. Yeah, so first of all, you know, let's talk about incremental margin opportunity in the portfolio, and that's been running kind of low to mid-50s this year. Two years ago, that was low to Mid-40s. So we've had the hypothesis is playing out. As occupancy grows, we're benefiting from the operating leverage. We're seeing incremental margin improve. You mentioned the quarter specifically. We had a little bit of slip in margin sequentially. That was driven by an extra day in the third quarter is also higher utility costs. One thing I can tell you, even in our 17 quarters in a row of double-digit NOI growth, I don't think it's ever been a perfect straight line. This is a multi-year opportunity. All the levers that we're pulling are working, and we're looking forward to continuing those in revenue and expense and ultimately margin. And I don't have any comments on 27 at this stage. Okay. Thank you. You bet. Your next question comes from the line of Austin Worshmint with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you. Could you just give us an update on the performance of the Brookdale transition assets, and kind of an update of the growth outlook there, and when those start to enter the same-store pool? Thank you Yeah. Sure. So, you know, we have, you now, a non-same-store pool that includes 234 communities. That includes 130 acquisitions. There's 104 communities that are in some sort of repositioning action that will set up future growth. Types of actions you'll see in that group are transitions to new operators, redevelopments. The whole non-STEM store, the U.S. portfolio, by the way, in shop, including non-StEM stores, is 89% occupied. So we have a long runway ahead of growth. The portfolios in the non-same-store group that, excluding the acquisitions, are on a like-for-like basis, are growing around 120 basis points. And so that's everything in non-Same-Store that's like-or-like quarter-to-quarter. They're growing 120 basis-points sequentially, which is consistent with the same store. portfolio asked about the former brookdale transition is on the better side of that so we're encouraged by the momentum we're seeing in that portfolio and then just uh going back to kind of the step function in rev for has more of that step function occurred from in-place rent increases or from street rates and can you give us a sense how you expect you know in place rent increases uh for the upcoming year to stack up relative to how they stacked up at the beginning of 2026 thanks yep so good question um so that the primary driver of our rev4 has been in-house rent increases we have seen move-in rents lifting as well and so we're seeing both in-housed and moving rents working together particularly recently on the moving rent side. So we're really encouraged by that trending. In terms of in-house rent increases, we were around 8% last year. It's a little early, but we would expect next year to be around the same or better. Great. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Dave Rogers with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning. I wanted to shift to investments and acquisition opportunities. I know in your prepared comments, you did describe some of that opportunity, but can you maybe go a little bit deeper in terms of the range of opportunities between occupancy recovery versus value add and some of the CapEx-oriented assets that you could acquire and what that range looks like? It seems like you're buying assets that on average look just like the portfolio today, But what's that range look like? And I guess how much more volume could you do if you were to expand out into one direction or the other? Well, maybe the best way to frame that up is to describe what we're buying now and what we have been buying, and I can give you a flavor for the range within that. So, if we just look at this year, this year we've had about 70% of our acquisitions have been luxury local market leaders, 20% ultra-luxury premium product, and then 10% have characterized as mid-market leaders. and you know if you're wondering what luxury senior housing means you know this is highly amenitized communities that are in the top decile of their local market they have high high private pay high net worth high home equity high barrier markets and a concierge level service and a restore a resort style setting and we've been buying large communities with a continuum of care that offer all of these, all of these amenities and high quality options for seniors in their markets. The types of markets we're entering, I'll just throw out a few, Chestnut Hill, Newton in Boston, the Woodlands in spring in north of Houston, Tucson, Scottsdale, Palm Beach, Naples, Denver, Marietta, Georgia, which is Cobb County, the wealthiest part of Atlanta. So, you know, we're, we've We're, we're buying communities that are really well positioned. They have their 89% occupied, so they have a runway of occupancy ahead, and particularly well positioned for rate growth. That's been opportunity the range within that yeah there's been and we mentioned a portfolio earlier this year called revel there's several kind of smaller one off communities are similar that have occupancy runway. We have some that are in between that we would probably consider a value-add just because they're still in the mid-80% occupancy range, and then we have others that are squarely in the 90% and already delivering rate growth. And our pipeline – let me just say one other thing. Let me tell you what we're not buying. What we're buying is value-oriented senior housing, and we're not buying turnkey development opportunities. And we've seen a lot of those. We've seen them in the UK primarily. And the problem with turnkey, it does offer some growth in your portfolio, but you're paying a stabilized value for it. So the returns are much worse. So they just don't make sense. So we've been focused on a better risk-adjusted return. We're focused on an opportunity to drive these low, double digits, mid-teen, unlevered RRs. And to get to your exact question, we want to do more of everything I just said. And we're seeing those opportunities in our pipeline, and we're encouraged by that, and particularly encouraged by the shop investment thesis playing out through our operating fundamentals in our own portfolio. So it is you know, with better demand in the future. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, great. Just the first one, I just want to talk a little bit more about the duration of same-store and OI growth, because there's this interplay between sort of occupancy upside and pricing and if i look at the u.s portfolio where occupancy has been growing faster 300 basis points every year and you talked about being 89 occupied so a lot of runway i guess so my question is like how should we expect this to play out is that you know you stay at this 300 level for a couple years then you start pushing pricing is it some sort of a mix like what's the experience been how How does that play out? Thanks. Well, the high class problem is we get there faster. So it all depends on how the leaseup progresses over time. We know from recent history that in an environment that had less demand, we've had very strong occupancy and rate growth. We're in a period now where we're at the very beginning of the peak demand. And we're encouraged by what we're seeing. We're seeing improvement in our move-in rent run rate. We're pricing power in our high-occupied communities. We're also seeing strong occupancy growth. So if you look forward, all things considered equally, you would expect a similar runway ahead, but with a better demand backdrop. And as certain communities in particular, the profile that we have, we have an opportunity in our markets as market leaders to offer the value proposition to our residents and to drive pricing over time. Helpful. Evan, my follow up was just as you think about just sort of the disposition side, any updates on maybe monetizing some of the non-senior housing assets either faster or so forth? Thanks. This is Debbie. I'll take that. Yes, you know, as Bob said, we have about $700 million of DISPOs in our guidance this year. We're continuing to opportunistically prune the portfolio and recycle capital into shop investments, and we intend to continue doing that. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you. your next question comes from the line of mike mueller with jp morgan your line is open please go ahead yeah hi thanks um is there any distinction to know today between al and il either in as it relates to acquisition opportunities or rep or analyte growth potential yeah i mean we've seen you know in generally in our existing portfolio we've seen stronger occupancy growth in our independent living portfolio our our footprint both existing and in what we're buying you know tends to be about half independent living and then the then the rest is assisted living with a small portion of that serving residents that have member care needs and there's been strong demand really across the board you know we're seeing it you know in each product type and and across all of our markets obviously we put a lot of work make sure we're in the right markets and so that that's but our preference though is generally to have a continuum of care you know it's our preferred product offer independent living assisted living and member care on a campus or large-scale campuses and that might include all in independent living for instance and it's all tracking really well got it okay appreciate it thank you your next question comes from the line of jyoti yadav with mitsuo your line is open please go ahead Thank you for the question. I have a question on Canada. Do you see any opportunity to JV assets there? And on UK, how do you view the opportunity there? If you can talk about the sequential decline there. I didn't quite hear you. Did you ask about Canada? JV in Canada and UK. okay and the uk okay thank you thanks i couldn't quite hear you so um first of all the us has been our our main priority um that's where we have most of our footprint shop and that's where our acquisition activity has been you know directed we we have a really high performing portfolio in canada you know that has high occupancies and delivered consistent growth growth. We really haven't focused on expanding there. The growth profile in that market isn't as attractive as the U.S. over time, so we've been steering clear of Canada. And then the U.K. is of interest, but it just hasn't been as big of a priority. Got it. And is there anything in the live segment that you would like to call out from the quarter? It's been, it's the smallest part of our business and it's been very consistent. Got it, thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Julian Bluen with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Justin, I think you mentioned that you're planning for similar or better in-house rent increases over the next year versus 26. I guess, why could the range of outcomes include similar in-house rent increases? I would have thought as we sort of get to these higher levels of occupancy, we might be able to push a little bit more. Is the Ventos OI sort of platform, you know, indicating any specific factors sort of limiting your ability to push pricing further? It's early, Julian. This is Debbie. Sorry to jump in for Justin, but it's early. And we'll be happy to talk in, you know, more specifics about it as we know more. Okay, great. That makes sense. And then maybe moving back to the incremental margin discussion, I think it sounds like you're seeing, I guess I wanted to know, is there a meaningful difference between the incremental margins on the 95% plus occupancy portfolio versus the rest of the portfolio? You know, are you seeing signs that in the higher occupancy parts of your portfolio, you're in fact able to move up towards that 70% incremental margin that I think you've mentioned in the past for nearly full properties? Yeah. So, you know, we've talked about, We kind of refer to it as a rule of thumb at one point in time, and that was talking about really the 50 percent incremental margin we're seeing now is consistent with what we expected. As you get into the higher 90 percent occupancy range, you start seeing higher margin opportunity. We know that it's not a big sample size of communities that are in that occupancy band that had no occupancy change because we're still growing occupancy within that that group which is consistent with what i said about having more 100 occupied communities now but we know that even in that group we're seeing around a 70 incremental margin and obviously in those that are growing occupants it's even better so it's certainly proving out and that's going to help lift our overall incremental margin over time Okay, thank you. And if I could fit one more in, I was wondering, how do you think a more challenging home selling environment will impact the demand from move-ins in IL specifically? I get AL probably a little bit more urgent, sort of need-motivated move-in, but I was wondering specific to IL. Yeah, so we've had, you know, a really, you know consistent year in terms of you know moving volume and occupancy growth and you know you can argue that there was a lot of potential you know impacts in the macro environment obviously in every way geopolitical home market consumer confidence and we've just been operating straight through that so you know we have confidence in the demand and the value proposition that we offer and the resilience that senior housing has and really haven't seen any impact yet. Okay, great. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Just on the expense on shop, just hoping you could talk a little bit about Ventas OI and the initiatives that you have there to maybe lower the export growth, which I think is trending around 2% inclusive of management fees and kind of what the next opportunities that you're working towards may do or help with that export growth. Sure, yeah. So we have, you know, it's a good opportunity just to remind everybody what Ventas OI is and how we're set up. And so, you know, it has, it really focused, you know, the framework of right market, right asset, right operator, the starting point, all the decisions we make around market assets and operators are supported by our data analytics platform and the experience that we have here at Ventas and the experience of our operators to make good decisions. The approach we take on the operating side is to, guys, our CapEx decisions, our decisions to expand assets, we always have some pruning we're doing in our portfolio, and it helps to lead to some of those decisions as well. But the part that I think we believe is most powerful is the support on the operating side. And we're able to take data that most of our operators don't have any visibility into and bring to life for them opportunities on many fronts. And that's sales, all the various revenue drivers, sources of leads, including digital leads, benchmarking on an anonymized basis and like products. And that's helped to really bring focus to our communities and help make it easier for operators to prioritize, you know, where they can really create value. And expenses are part of that. So we definitely have a line item review that occurs regularly with our operators. We're always looking for any opportunity to become more efficient, but we are also very focused on the fact that we have a luxury product that we're supporting, and our residents and customers have a certain expectation from us. And so there's no interest whatsoever in, you know, short cutting our service delivery and our care delivery. And that's a balance that we take, you know, as we're as we are approaching, you know the expense side of things. But there is certainly an intense focus on it. And maybe just a bigger picture, strategic question. There's a lot of opportunities out there, both on the acquisitions and sales side. Sounds like you're less enthusiastic about Canada, more focused on the U.S. for shop. There's seemingly a growing shop opportunity in the UK. And then there's the ability to maybe de-emphasize MOBs further by sales or joint ventures. But just curious on what you would have as a key priority for the company or what you're focused on thinking strategically about different moving pieces. One, this is Debbie. Good morning. We, since the inception of our 1-2-3 strategy and our actions in acquiring, you know, $10 billion of shop assets and growing organically, we are, 1, 2, and 3 are basically aggressively expanding the percentage of our business at shop and managing that optimally as we've talked about outperforming at scale and that the whole company really is focused and driven around those because that's what we believe will deliver the multi-year growth and value creation opportunity thank you thanks your next question comes from the line of rich anderson with cantor your line is open please go ahead thanks uh good morning i had a little bout of ps ptsd when your phone lines went out earlier um so uh a question if it happens again it was not on purpose um so this is admittedly splitting hairs but i'm going to ask it because i i think it's having effect on people's perception of the print this morning uh for the third quarter you did 17 same stormer noi growth out of shop last quarter it was 18. for the third quarter you're you're over your increase in margin 190 basis points last quarter was 210. so my my point is if the third quarter is supposed to be the best quarter and justin to your point things move around it's non-linear i get all that and i am kind of more the messenger here on this question but does this sort of indicate it that this is where we're we're plateauing in in terms of you know organic growth potential margin expansion all that sort of stuff that you know given that this third quarter should be the best of of all quarters or is that a little bit over a bit simplified thanks i'm so happy you asked that um so if this is you know it was a good quarter um like i said in the 17 quarters we had double digit ni growth i think there's always something we thought could have been better uh you know 17 quarters in a row we've done this And I described really how the portfolio is built, the runway ahead, the demand that's coming, the way pricing is playing out, an incremental margin. It's all really as we expected. We're on this journey, this growth journey that we're on. And there's a long way to go. So we're not even, you know, at all, you now, bothered about this quarter. What we're focused on is where it's going and that your trajectory is really positive and the macro environment is solid and the levers we can pull are proven and we have a great team of great operators. Okay, so related to that, so hypothetically, let's say your occupancy gain cadence isn't 300 basis points anymore, but it's 200 or 150 or even zero eventually because you can't go over 100%. So if that means that your rate growth is better in a higher occupied portfolio, can you still maintain that level of bottom line, same store and ally growth, or does it naturally come down if the only lever from a revenue point of view becomes rate over occupancy? So I'm just curious how that math works when you consider incremental margin on new rate increases and all that sort of stuff. If you could just sort of comment on the interplay of all that, that would be great. Thanks. Yeah. I do want to remind you that as we sit here today, we've had 17 quarters under our belt of double-digit, you know, NOI growth. We have 89% occupancy in the U.S. Wehave rate and occupancy working together to drive NOI, and there is this multi-year runway ahead as we're just not even fully into the over 80 population starting to boom. And so that's what gives us the confidence really about this multi- year growth and value creation opportunity ahead. I think you're kind of way down the path, even though we do know that at higher occupancy levels, as Justin said, REVPOR growth is, you know, significantly higher, and that's a lever that we can use as we look forward. But we're in it to win it at this period of time, and as we Look Forward, we're very optimistic about the setup for us and the competitive advantages and capabilities that the team and the platform bring to continue to try to outperform in senior housing. You know, and I would just say that I'm not in the business of rating questions, but the second question was better because I think that's a more relevant question. You Know, it's like, where is this going? And I think it's a great question. And when we get there, you know, down the road, we can have some great discussion around how that's all played out. Fair enough. Yeah. Thanks very much. And thank you. Yeah, and thank you for raising it, it's a good conversation. All right. I'll keep doing it. Yep. Your next question comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Yeah, thanks. I wanted to circle back on the margin flow through. I guess, Justin, where is the break line that pushes that margin from 50% to 70%? I mean, I was under the impression that was closer to the low 90% range, not the high 90% range. And if you kind of look at the presentation, it looks like Ventas' flow through marginally increased from 49% in 2025 to about 52% from the past 12 months, even though you saw occupancy kind of jump from the high 80s to the lower 90s. I mean is there anything unique in that number? I are you seeing more occupancy gains in the u.s portfolio that's kind of in the mid 80s and that's why that increase in that merchant flow through is has been a little bit lower than expected yeah there's a couple things first of all there's not a bright line it really depends on the product type you're talking about and its relative price point I mean, it plays a big role. There is a distribution in our portfolio that has, you know, we have a lot of runway and occupancy, you know. So, you that the portion of our portfolio that has long runways not delivering a stronger margin. The part that is, is the highest occupied communities. So, that I do wanna clarify one point though. I think it's playing out exactly as we expected. we said low 90s into the 50s and so that's happening we would expect as more communities move up in terms of occupancy and our portfolio growth grows more in terms occupancy that will see the incremental margin to continue to play out the within the portfolio we can see it so clearly you know that the incremental margin flow through is so clearly happening at various occupancy levels but we have a wide variety of types of communities and in markets and etc so I don't really have a bright line for you okay that's helpful that's part of the opportunity ahead great and then just switching to the same store portfolio can you kind of give us some color on how that could potentially change next quarter i knew do you do those deals that is coming rolling in the same store do they have better occupancy comparison numbers i'm just trying to understand how you can hit that roughly 300 basis point occupancy gain in in 2026 i mean is there some benefit in there that we can't see in the current same store pool hey mike it's bob i'm going to take that one i feel like a potted plant over here so um look you saw you saw an increase in our same store pool uh second to third to 600 assets you call it three-fourths of our noi is in same store justin earlier talked about the non-same store pool and the composition we would expect as we move forward to have more and more assets coming into into same store including in the fourth um and that's contemplated when we when we give the guide overall to get to the average for the for the full year But, you know, you'll see that number continue to increase from a very large proportion already. Okay, great. Thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Michael Stroyek with Green Street. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Morning. Thanks for the time. Maybe one more question on the flow-through margin topic. You know, all of equal on the occupancy front. how does that flow through compare on some of your more luxury type assets relative to maybe some lower price point properties? Is there a meaningful difference? Yeah, I mean, I'll say that our luxury independent living has very high margins, you know, and independent living is really high operating leverage. So you would see probably your strongest you know incremental flow through there your you know your we have very high price point assisted living as well but some of it also delivers really high levels of care you know so there's cost associated with that um but generally you know you're going to see better margin with higher ref for um and uh you know there's certainly a relationship there um and the ultimate driver across the board is is operating leverage um i also say that you know i mentioned earlier that what we're buying um you know being 70 luxury and 20 ultra premium luxury um there's a meaningful rep for uplift that's coming through the acquisitions as well got it okay um and then one just on maybe the regulatory environment in the u.s have you seen any legislation arise across your markets either you know on rent regulation or anything on the labor side and i guess how do you think about the long-term risk of the space becoming incrementally more regulated as just the sheer amount of seniors utilizing senior housing grows well one of the things we've always appreciated about senior housing is that it's a consumer driven product and that seniors and their families are choosing to live there because of the valuable benefits that it provides and are relatively comparable to what a senior would pay living at home and having some amount of services. So we are obsessively focused about our operators delivering kind of quality care, providing a great value proposition for seniors and their families, and this is the wealthiest generation in history, the baby boomers, as they start to enter our markets. And so we – it's a state-by-state matter. There really hasn't been anything that's gained material traction around really limiting access or, you know, revenue opportunities at our communities. But we are very conscious of making sure that what we're delivering is worth the price that people are paying. And that's what's really important in a consumer-driven product. Understood. Thanks for the time. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alec Fagan with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks for taking my question. Just one for me. Can you kind of talk about the opportunity for more expansion projects and how Ventas is positioning itself to participate in the next development cycle? Good one. Justin? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, we have a lot of opportunity. We've been evaluating our own portfolio over the past year or so, and we have expansion that are planned and you know some of those you know you're just adding a adding a structure we have one you know i think it's highlighted in our supplemental somewhere at quincy place that's a pretty big project 30 million or so where we're adding cottages you know next to a community that is now 100 occupied and so high demand opportunity to to really just expand a winning product in what's already proven to be a strong market. And we're looking, there's dozens of opportunities across our portfolio where we found that opportunity and that we're making plans to proceed. Got it. Thanks for the time. You bet. Your next question comes from the line of Rich Hightower with Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Good morning, everybody. Just one for me as well to keep things tight here. So Justin, I think in your prepared comments, you sort of briefly alluded to the debt market potentially creating opportunities for more transaction volume in 27. I assume that has to do with sort of the 2021 vintage of loans on a lot of these assets. But just given the growth in NOI and shop, you know, what's the likelihood that, you know, really you'd be competing against, you know, the market for refinancing, you know, where the equity is still, you know, is still good and there's no sort of compelling reason to sell necessarily next year. I'm going to grab that one. Just the point that we want to make is that we have, as you know we have significant competitive advantages that we won't reprise here, in the investment market. A lot of our deals are relationship-oriented, among other things. And of course, we have significant financial strength and flexibility. What we're saying is the move, the global move in rates and the volatility in the capital markets makes us an even more desirable counterparty in an acquisition because we do have that financial strength people know we know what we're doing we can close they don't have to wait for someone a different buyer to get a mortgage or line up their financing and so coupled with all of our other existing advantages being a long-term very knowledgeable you know counterparty and actor in the space i mean that just adds to the competitive advantages that have given us the momentum to close, you know, $5 billion so far this year. And it just makes us incrementally more popular if that were possible. So, that's how I would describe what we were getting at. All right. Thanks, Debbie. Appreciate that. Thank you. So operator, do we have any other questioners in the queue? Okay. All right, Well, we appreciate everyone's time this morning. And as always, we appreciate your interest in the company. We're really glad that we were able to deliver a strong quarter and we very much look forward with the opportunities we have ahead and to see you in the fall. Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect. Thank you.